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Terrible subversions/ Parodies.
Its one thing if a piece of media sucks, but its another if it sucks whilst thinking its so clever.
There is a distinction between parody and subversion.
Subversion is pretty strait, but turns the target on its head. Perhaps showing it in a more realistic light.
Whilst parody is making fun of the target.
I just saw this direct to DVD flick that thought it was so cleverly parodying Fantasy princess tropes whilst being SO awful at it im not even going to mention its name. Even its name makes me groan.
I have a few others but I wanted to find out a few that you people found before posting a few of my own.
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Black Sheep. One of the worst Zombie Parody movies I've ever seen. Actually walked out of my friends house who was showing it as a movie night.
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Your Highness, a high fantasy 'parody'. The one and only time I've considered walking out of a movie theater.
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There are two gentleman; Friedberg and Seltzer, who make parody movies of less than stellar quality.
Now I say parody in the loosest definition possible, there are characters that may physically resemble characters in other media, or at least some of them are given names similar to those in other media. But the plots are insane and is cluttered by a messy smorgasbord of pop culture references and innuendo that is mistaken for humor by the above mentioned gentleman.
I am not a fan.
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Your Highness, a high fantasy 'parody'. The one and only time I've considered walking out of a movie theater.
That movie was awesome!
As for works of media that suck while trying to be a parody...
-Anything by these two
-And this. At least Friedberg/Seltzer films are at best 80 minutes. This train wreck is three and a half hours.:smallannoyed::smallfurious:
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The subversion I've always loathed was The Cold Equations. In order to subvert the "Science always saves the day!" trope of contemporay science fiction, the author set up a situation so contrived that, not only would preventing the girl's death be extremely trivial, the sort of mission described in the story would nearly always fail due to elementary engineering. Besides that, there was enough explicitly-identified junk in the ship to make up the 40-80 kg of mass that the girl took up.
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Dr.Epic
-And this. At least Friedberg/Seltzer films are at best 80 minutes. This train wreck is three and a half hours.:smallannoyed::smallfurious:
......:smallsigh:
Yeah. Its so weird! They can emote pretty well when they review things, but when its time to do these crossovers they become wooden as sticks!
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......:smallsigh:
Yeah. Its so weird! They can emote pretty well when they review things, but when its time to do these crossovers they become wooden as sticks!
I actually liked their previous anniversary specials (especially Kickassia). But this was just so bad!!!!!!!![more exclamation points than I could actually fit in this post]
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Ehh, I thought it had some good jokes. Though admittedly the plot was overcomplicated and scattered (they can't do plot well), the villains were consistently humorous, and even in the gags that didn't work (Critic running from the minions), there were parts that actually got me a good laugh intermixed with it (Benzai's cameo).
But yeah, I can definitely see why it'd be hated. But it's not nearly on the level of the Friedberg and Seltzer duo.
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Dienekes
But yeah, I can definitely see why it'd be hated. But it's not nearly on the level of the Friedberg and Seltzer duo.
I disagree with that. Most of it was just references for the sake of references. And Friedberg/Seltzer at least keep it at barely over an hour so while it's horrible, it's at least short. Not a friggin' 3 and a half hours.:smallfurious:
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Yeah not to break up the circle of mutually complimentary complaining but some of us out there liked To Boldly Flee on the whole.
Maybe its just me but it seems to me that if a parody was really all that clever it would cease to be a parody because it would be breaking new ground in an inherently derivative genre. Then again I'm tough sell on comedy.
I find that the distinction between good and bad comedy is generally less about the whether its funny and about whether it tells a good story too. Perhaps more then it should TBF managed to make me care about (some) of the people in it. I've yet to find anyone that didn't find something groan inducing (mine was Phelous, die you unfunny bastard) and bits started picking up that SNL-sketch quality where they might have been funny, but only for thirty seconds. I still enjoyed it a lot more then some so-called professional works.
And they had an unnecessary musical number, you can never go wrong with an unnecessary musical number! Especially a pretty well performed and choreographed one
Now if I had to pick where parody fails I would say it is when it feel untrue to its source material or there isn't enough. Generally when the creator doesn't do any research, often to the point that you don't feel like they watched whatever they were parodying at all. Much less love it, and I think you have to love the material to parody it well. Okay maybe a bit far, but at least like or see the appeal of it. Otherwise the jokes will feel old or flat or both.
A good example of this would be the Reincarnation episode of Futurama. Namely the anime segment. It's 2011 and you're making stale jokes about bad dubbing and limited animation in anime Futurama? Seriously there wasn't anything more timely like mid-90s. Watch some Lucky Star and see how to really do it next time!
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Its one thing if a piece of media sucks, but its another if it sucks whilst thinking its so clever.
How about the average depiction of the 'nerd/geek' in just about any TV show or movie? You know the ones written by people that are not part of 'our' culture and how they just get stuff so ....wrong. Like for example, how they are never normal people but always 'weird outcasts'. You never see, for example, a normal married person playing a RPG unless it's a ''stereotypical Hollywood dad who acts like he is 10 all the time''. You sure don't see a mom who bakes cookies in between the Assault on the Dark Lords Fortress.
Oh, and most fiction does such a bad job of the 'modern adult woman' too. They try to take a stereotypical 1950's like character useless princess type and 'update' her into a modern woman, but then just ruin her beyond belief. One of the ones I hate the worst is the little 98 pound girls who like ninja chop a guy and knock him down or out with one hit. The little girls that could not even take me out are taking out say Stone Cold Steve Austin with like one punch....yea, right, shows how 'tough' women are....
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Oh, and most fiction does such a bad job of the 'modern adult woman' too. They try to take a stereotypical 1950's like character useless princess type and 'update' her into a modern woman, but then just ruin her beyond belief. One of the ones I hate the worst is the little 98 pound girls who like ninja chop a guy and knock him down or out with one hit. The little girls that could not even take me out are taking out say Stone Cold Steve Austin with like one punch....yea, right, shows how 'tough' women are....
Does anyone do this except Joss Whedon?
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Soras Teva Gee
A good example of this would be the
Reincarnation episode of Futurama. Namely the anime segment. It's 2011 and you're making stale jokes about bad dubbing and limited animation in anime Futurama? Seriously there wasn't anything more timely like mid-90s. Watch some Lucky Star and see how to really do it next time!
I actually found that one pretty funny. I kind of saw it as less of a parody of badly-dubbed anime so much as it's poking fun at anime, by overly emphasizing classic anime stereotypes. That may not be a major flaw any more, but the usual anime stereotype is still basically of cheeky mouths, hyperactive formatting, and stilted, poorly-dubbed dialogue.
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Gamer Girl
One of the ones I hate the worst is the little 98 pound girls who like ninja chop a guy and knock him down or out with one hit. The little girls that could not even take me out are taking out say Stone Cold Steve Austin with like one punch....yea, right, shows how 'tough' women are....
What Glyphstone said.
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Gamer Girl
How about the average depiction of the 'nerd/geek' in just about any TV show or movie? You know the ones written by people that are not part of 'our' culture and how they just get stuff so ....wrong. Like for example, how they are never normal people but always 'weird outcasts'. You never see, for example, a normal married person playing a RPG unless it's a ''stereotypical Hollywood dad who acts like he is 10 all the time''. You sure don't see a mom who bakes cookies in between the Assault on the Dark Lords Fortress.
Oh, and most fiction does such a bad job of the 'modern adult woman' too. They try to take a stereotypical 1950's like character useless princess type and 'update' her into a modern woman, but then just ruin her beyond belief. One of the ones I hate the worst is the little 98 pound girls who like ninja chop a guy and knock him down or out with one hit. The little girls that could not even take me out are taking out say Stone Cold Steve Austin with like one punch....yea, right, shows how 'tough' women are....
That may actually be a consequence of there not being any actresses who do not fit that mould. Perhaps the part was written about a normal-sized woman and all they could find for the part was a chinchilla-weight?
Pretty sloppy justification though, because you have to extend it. I'm willing to buy 'some authors have never been expose to realistic mass in such a sense' but not every author. Not every actress. Etc.
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I'd just like to point out that two of the three are literally superhuman, yes? (though I just can't ever buy Geller in the physical parts of that role) and I can't even recall River doing anything that seems unreasonable, Strength-wise.
Oh but on topic: what Soras said--truly great parodies feel almost/actually loving. They aren't just saying "look how dumb this is," they are poking fun at the foibles of a beloved property/genre.
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Does anyone do this except Joss Whedon?
Yeah, Waif-Fu!
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Dr.Epic
I disagree with that. Most of it was just references for the sake of references. And Friedberg/Seltzer at least keep it at barely over an hour so while it's horrible, it's at least short. Not a friggin' 3 and a half hours.:smallfurious:
But there were some actual funny jokes in that 3.5 hours. I don't think I have ever laughed at an F&S movie.
Also for Waif-fu. It only really annoys me when no reason is given or it's blatantly ridiculous. Like River, where it's blatantly obvious that the enemies WITH GUNS are running toward the girl's fists.
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I actually found that one pretty funny. I kind of saw it as less of a parody of badly-dubbed anime so much as it's poking fun at anime, by overly emphasizing classic anime stereotypes. That may not be a major flaw any more, but the usual anime stereotype is still basically of cheeky mouths, hyperactive formatting, and stilted, poorly-dubbed dialogue.
I might have less of a problem if I felt like anyone in the West had ever done an even vaguely timely parody of anime. Maybe there are there, but I'm not aware of them. Abridged series excepted here. And maybe Samurai Pizza Cats if taken as an anime parody rather as much as a comedy, best dub ever.
And while I'm almost certainly biased the aspects they are highlighting are not something I as a fan look back on fondly at all so there's nothing to be gained by drawing on them. I'm probably being to serious, but I still feel like stuff like that still stinks of "hah hah anime is so weird and foreign hah hah" superiority and not taking it as a serious medium.
Not something I feel can result in successful parody.
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Susano-wo
I'd just like to point out that two of the three are literally superhuman, yes? (though I just can't ever buy Geller in the physical parts of that role) and I can't even recall River doing anything that seems unreasonable, Strength-wise.
I read somewhere that Summer Glau did a lot of acrobatics herself. Like that hanging from the ceiling, she apparently went and got up there and there's no wires or anything there. Which if nothing else is pretty cool.
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Gamer Girl
Oh, and most fiction does such a bad job of the 'modern adult woman' too. They try to take a stereotypical 1950's like character useless princess type and 'update' her into a modern woman, but then just ruin her beyond belief. One of the ones I hate the worst is the little 98 pound girls who like ninja chop a guy and knock him down or out with one hit. The little girls that could not even take me out are taking out say Stone Cold Steve Austin with like one punch....yea, right, shows how 'tough' women are....
What would you suggest as a remedy then?
I'm interested because I'm not the biggest fan of this sort of thing either, in part from awareness of this issue. Yet I feel a certain nervousness raising the point that yeah, size and strength do matter. And men in a pretty solid majority have both on women, without some stronger but slower trade-off either. Yet off the top of my head I can only think of Karrin Murphy in the Dresden Files really facing this head on and drawing attention to it.
The alternative seems to be "strangely" women only get in fights with other women. Or being straight up non-combatants. I'm not sure I've come up with a satisfying solution, other then I guess going for more realistic gun fights but shooting someone dead has its own set of issues.
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Most of the abridged series stuff on Youtube is terribad. I know, they're Youtube videos and so on, but still.
Starship Troopers, which I believe was intended to be a parody of 50's SF using the Heinlein title. Done by people who I suspect never really read anything from the Golden Age of Science Fiction, Heinlein included.
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Soras Teva Gee
I might have less of a problem if I felt like anyone in the West had ever done an even vaguely timely parody of anime. Maybe there are there, but I'm not aware of them. Abridged series excepted here. And maybe Samurai Pizza Cats if taken as an anime parody rather as much as a comedy, best dub ever.
And while I'm almost certainly biased the aspects they are highlighting are not something I as a fan look back on fondly at all so there's nothing to be gained by drawing on them. I'm probably being to serious, but I still feel like stuff like that still stinks of "hah hah anime is so weird and foreign hah hah" superiority and not taking it as a serious medium.
Not something I feel can result in successful parody.
I think you're taking it a bit too seriously and are a bit too defensive of anime. More to the point given the nerd generation that the majority of futurama's writers came from they were most likely parodying anime that they grew up on rather than what is around right now. Just like the video game segment wasn't about Gears of War and Wii Sports, but was about games that were far older. It is an episode about the past and silly things that come from it.
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What would you suggest as a remedy then?
I'm interested because I'm not the biggest fan of this sort of thing either, in part from awareness of this issue. Yet I feel a certain nervousness raising the point that yeah, size and strength do matter. And men in a pretty solid majority have both on women, without some stronger but slower trade-off either. Yet off the top of my head I can only think of Karrin Murphy in the Dresden Files really facing this head on and drawing attention to it.
The alternative seems to be "strangely" women only get in fights with other women. Or being straight up non-combatants. I'm not sure I've come up with a satisfying solution, other then I guess going for more realistic gun fights but shooting someone dead has its own set of issues.
I'd say if you want some sort of she-hulk woman who defeats people in a single punch then she should look the part and be muscular enough to actually do said punching. There are muscular women out there hollywood simply doesn't hire them. Either that or have the slim waifs use fighting styles that emphasize speed and mobility due to their massive lack of muscle mass, and just generally try to not be hit during the fights.
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Most of the abridged series stuff on Youtube is terribad. I know, they're Youtube videos and so on, but still.
Starship Troopers, which I believe was intended to be a parody of 50's SF using the Heinlein title. Done by people who I suspect never really read anything from the Golden Age of Science Fiction, Heinlein included.
Suspect? ST's director is openly and unapologetically on record that he didn't get past the first few chapters of Starship Troopers the novel because it was too depressing. It's very much satire, but wasn't intended as a parody of science fiction.
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A few from Cartoon Network:
-Mad
-Annoying Orange
-Level Up*
*I don't know if it has a theme of parodying video game/(MMO)RPG tropes, but it seems kind of like it does. Also, I hate it with all my heart!:smallfurious:
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The Glyphstone
Suspect? ST's director is openly and unapologetically on record that he didn't get past the first few chapters of Starship Troopers the novel because it was too depressing. It's very much satire, but wasn't intended as a parody of science fiction.
Plus I think it is poking fun and deconstructing at militaristic culture of Heinlein aka
Spoiler
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Suicidal overconfidence that Aliens do not have ground to space weapons and the idea that they will build power armor at first contact. Well, he reconstructed it by adding power armor in 3rd sequel.
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Kitten Champion
Starship Troopers, which I believe was intended to be a parody of 50's SF using the Heinlein title. Done by people who I suspect never really read anything from the Golden Age of Science Fiction, Heinlein included.
I suspect you'd like the Starship Troopers Roughnecks Animated Series, as it's far closer to the book in tone, and it has some good writing and some great designs for the Bugs and Skinnies by the talented Fil Barlow. If you live in the US, you can watch it on Hulu for free. The 1990s CGI hasn't aged that well though, which makes it all the sadder that that's what caused the show to be cancelled before its 4-part-epic-finale.
Also, on the waif-fu archetype, on my NaNoWriMo Project {Shameless plug} I do have a female swordfighter character strong enough to chop through concrete, but I did deliberately give her a gymnast's build with defined muscles to make it feel moderately plausible. Because, lord knows in your world of space aliens and Arizonan dinosaurs, plausibility is key.
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Plus I think it is poking fun and deconstructing at militaristic culture of Heinlein aka
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Suicidal overconfidence that Aliens do not have ground to space weapons and the idea that they will build power armor at first contact. Well, he reconstructed it by adding power armor in 3rd sequel.
It is. From the perspective of someone who grew up in Nazi occupied territory and saw the effects of fascism (which ST is frequently accused of advocating) first hand.
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The Starship Troopers movie is intended as a parody/deconstruction of the Starship Troopers book.
And it is brilliant at doing this...
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The Starship Troopers movie is intended as a parody/deconstruction of the Starship Troopers book.
And it is brilliant at doing this...
More the themes of the book than the book itself since, as noted, Verhoven didn't bother to actually finish reading the book before he made the movie.
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Isn't the author a guy who suggests fascism as government and suggests mass family orgies?
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Heinlein accidentally made the Starship Troopers book fascist. He was later sorry for doing that when he realized what he was doing...
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Getting back to the actual OP...
Judge Dredd, the Stallone version. Okay, it ain't actually a bad movie, just flashy and dumb, but it missed the point of the comics, which actually are an examination of pseudo-fascist cop movies. Hence, it is a bad subversion.
Actually bad movies which are supposed to be clever? Sucker Punch, hands down.
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Black Sheep. One of the worst Zombie Parody movies I've ever seen. Actually walked out of my friends house who was showing it as a movie night.
See I don't get this one, it was a decent comedy I thought and captured New Zealand pretty well, it was just excessive enough to work.
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But there were some actual funny jokes in that 3.5 hours. I don't think I have ever laughed at an F&S movie.
The only times I laughed during those whole 3.5 hours were shots of the horrible CGI spaceships* and I think maybe one other time and I forget what.
*Yeah, I know the the special was made on a very limited budget and those were the best effects they could get, but still, the images of the spacecrafts were laughably unrealistic.
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Oh but on topic: what Soras said--truly great parodies feel almost/actually loving. They aren't just saying "look how dumb this is," they are poking fun at the foibles of a beloved property/genre.
Which is why Young Frankenstein is a good parody, and Epic Movie (or Meet the Spartans, or Date Movie, or Scary Movie 3/4...) is not.
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I think you're taking it a bit too seriously and are a bit too defensive of anime. More to the point given the nerd generation that the majority of futurama's writers came from they were most likely parodying anime that they grew up on rather than what is around right now. Just like the video game segment wasn't about Gears of War and Wii Sports, but was about games that were far older. It is an episode about the past and silly things that come from it.
Well I didn't think that much of the other segments either, real diminishing returns that episode... how yes I'm almost certainly biased.
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I'd say if you want some sort of she-hulk woman who defeats people in a single punch then she should look the part and be muscular enough to actually do said punching. There are muscular women out there hollywood simply doesn't hire them. Either that or have the slim waifs use fighting styles that emphasize speed and mobility due to their massive lack of muscle mass, and just generally try to not be hit during the fights.
A reasonable idea but perhaps a little easier said then done. Depending on the specifics involve you could quickly start talking a fairly limited spread of women with the above average height, mass, and shoulders to pull off that look. She Hulk even by comic book's exaggerated standards is an exception.
Also your last bit largely describes waif-fu pretty well...
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Gavinfoxx
Heinlein accidentally made the Starship Troopers book fascist. He was later sorry for doing that when he realized what he was doing...
Umm when and where, just curious?
It would be hard for the movie to actually be farther from the book. No rather that would probably be better. It possibly the worst possible "parody" because it essentially lies about its material's point of view and entire operating methodology by going almost exactly opposite of it.
In the movie the drill sergeanant throws a knife through someone's hand and spouts Full Metal Jacket all over again. In the book while the drill instructor does break an arm at one point its mostly by accident and treated as such, and he actually stops to explain and educate on why he does things he does, and why the military in general does things it does.
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For another example, while the movie version is basically brainwashing the entire planet toward military service, the book uses a multiple amputee with the crudest possible prosthetics as the greeter at the recruiting station, to scare away most recruits.
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Well I didn't think that much of the other segments either, real diminishing returns that episode... how yes I'm almost certainly biased.
I thought it was fairly mediocre as far as futurama too but not because it poorly researched, just so of short on the funny.
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A reasonable idea but perhaps a little easier said then done. Depending on the specifics involve you could quickly start talking a fairly limited spread of women with the above average height, mass, and shoulders to pull off that look. She Hulk even by comic book's exaggerated standards is an exception.
Also your last bit largely describes waif-fu pretty well...
Given how often hollywood finds women several standard deviations from the norm when selecting for other attributes I don't think it would be too hard. Now it would be difficult to change the overall culture of Hollywood to make it happen but we're just speaking on broad practicality here.
Then again there is also the option of just giving women guns. The great equalizer.
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The subversion I've always loathed was The Cold Equations. In order to subvert the "Science always saves the day!" trope of contemporay science fiction, the author set up a situation so contrived that, not only would preventing the girl's death be extremely trivial, the sort of mission described in the story would nearly always fail due to elementary engineering. Besides that, there was enough explicitly-identified junk in the ship to make up the 40-80 kg of mass that the girl took up.
Also, if the ship really was carrying the exact calculated amount of fuel to make the trip given its precise measured mass, then it's too late for ejecting the girl to do anything, because the ship already burned extra fuel taking off with her on it.
And of course, even if they let the ship crash, the speed of impact would be a few m/s at most. You know, because adding a single human's mass onto a starship results in a comparably minuscule change in how the physics play out.
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That's quite true, but trivial. If they calculated the fuel so precisely, then the ship would be guaranteed to crash. It is a physical impossibility to keep your engines on such a tight tolerance that 80 kilos of mass on a ship large enough to walk around in would be fatal.
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Can I name a certain internet reviewer who's not funny or insightful?
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RedLetterMedia?
*awaits flames*
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RedLetterMedia?
*awaits flames*
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Can I name a certain internet reviewer who's not funny or insightful?
Well if it's BB he doesn't do parodies or subversions. He just reviews things and you don't like him. I don't think it's at all relevant.
Mind you if it's someone else who does parody and/or subvert things then by all means lay into them.
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Well if it's BB he doesn't do parodies or subversions. He just reviews things and you don't like him. I don't think it's at all relevant.
Aw, come on! He incorporates parody in his reviews. He totally "mocks" and/or "riffs" the films. That should count!
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Your Highness, a high fantasy 'parody'. The one and only time I've considered walking out of a movie theater.
That was pretty terrible. I only got through the first third of it before I gave up.
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I actually enjoy BB.
His skits suck, but I do enjoy him reviews. Mostly because he reviews things I never heard about.
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Might I ask who BB is?
Blockbuster Buster. He reviews stuff on ThatGuyWithTheGlasses.com. Personally I've watched a few of his episodes and I don't find him all that funny or interesting. But I figure, hey, some folks do and he isn't actively wrong or dumb like other reviewers I've glanced through.
Dr. Epic however seems to hate his guts with a passion that is both disturbing and confusing when pointed at a rather harmless internet reviewer. I've seen him bring up his hatred of the guy for absolutely no reason and just rant about how horrible he is. Don't know why exactly, but then I've more or less stopped trying to figure Dr. Epic out.
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I honestly think he gets better over time.
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Isn't the author a guy who suggests fascism as government and suggests mass family orgies?
The man wrote also Stranger in a strange land. Just saying.
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The man wrote also Stranger in a strange land. Just saying.
Yes. :smallsigh:
Yes he did. :smallyuk:
Also: Sue me but:
I don't think SpaceBalls is a good parody. Very few of the jokes actually satirize Star wars, and most of them are crude and juvenile.
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I don't think SpaceBalls is a good parody. Very few of the jokes actually satirize Star wars, and most of them are crude and juvenile.
I still find SpaceBall sufficiently funny and discretely good (some gags are absolute masterpieces, but on the whole the film's quality is frayed), but yeah, crude jokes are not strange to Brooks. When there are too many, it becomes annoying.
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Spaceballs is one of Brooks' worst but I wouldn't call it terrible. I find it perfectly watchable, and with a few really cool ideas and gags. Overall it seems to be his least deliberate film, with jokes drifting in and drifting out with no real rhyme or reason. "We've been jammed" is still great though.
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Dumbledore lives
Spaceballs is one of Brooks' worst but I wouldn't call it terrible. I find it perfectly watchable, and with a few really cool ideas and gags. Overall it seems to be his least deliberate film, with jokes drifting in and drifting out with no real rhyme or reason. "We've been jammed" is still great though.
It's still leagues above that animated cash cow of a show G4 slapped together to make a quick buck.:smallannoyed:
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Dumbledore lives
Spaceballs is one of Brooks' worst but I wouldn't call it terrible. I find it perfectly watchable, and with a few really cool ideas and gags. Overall it seems to be his least deliberate film, with jokes drifting in and drifting out with no real rhyme or reason. "We've been jammed" is still great though.
Honestly I'm not a fan of the more blatant sexual humor. But I burst out laughing at "It's Megamaid! She's gone from suck to blow!"
I kind of like the throw every joke you can think of in style of the movie. While I'll admit it's no Blazing Saddles, or Young Frankenstein I still think it's pretty funny.
Actually, me and my brother still sometimes joke about "Preparing to fast forward" and "When will then be now?"
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Spaceballs is not a good parody but it is still a pretty funny comedy.
"How many A**holes we got on this ship?!" :smallbiggrin:
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"Who made that man a gunner!?"
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I'm of the category that believes Robin Hood: Men In Tights is a superior comedy to Young Frankenstein, Blazing Saddles or Spaceballs. I love that film. And I think it's definitely a fantastic parody - the tagline says it all. "The Legend Had It Coming". It does a fantastic job of taking off so many of the Robin Hood cliches, especially Kevin Costner's Robin Hood: Prince Of Thieves.
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Scowling Dragon
Also: Sue me but:
I don't think SpaceBalls is a good parody. Very few of the jokes actually satirize Star wars, and most of them are crude and juvenile.
*sues*
Seriously do you think there were some jokes they missed?
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Tergon
I'm of the category that believes Robin Hood: Men In Tights is a superior comedy to Young Frankenstein, Blazing Saddles or Spaceballs. I love that film. And I think it's definitely a fantastic parody - the tagline says it all. "The Legend Had It Coming". It does a fantastic job of taking off so many of the Robin Hood cliches, especially Kevin Costner's Robin Hood: Prince Of Thieves.
Besides their Robin Hood can speak with an English accent.