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Star Wars Rebels: Season Two
The second season of Star Wars Rebels kicks off next week (if you don't count them showing the season premiere/special back in June) and I hate to admit it, but the Comic Con trailer has me stoked:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfeWNZqVYsE
There's a few seeming spoilers in it, but nothing too bad. I'm just geeking out at some of the ships we see early on. Also, Sarah Michelle Gellar as the new Inquisitor (one of them, anyway; we don't know anything about the other yet) - can hardly tell it's her, really, but the fact her husband plays Kanan, who she's hunting, makes me giggle. :smallamused:
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Well, that was a thing. Spoiler
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So Wolffe sold them out to the Empire and has been intercepting Ahsoka's attempts to contact Rex. You'd think they'd have made a much bigger deal of that.
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Well, Wolfe is completely forgiven. Eh, I'd think Kanan would have way more hangups about that, but it's rather brushed aside. Otherwise, it was a pretty decent episode. My one big complaint is still Ahsoka's voice not quite fitting for me, since although she's much older now, she still has the same voice as when she was a Padawan.
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Well, Wolfe is completely forgiven. Eh, I'd think Kanan would have way more hangups about that, but it's rather brushed aside. Otherwise, it was a pretty decent episode. My one big complaint is still Ahsoka's voice not quite fitting for me, since although she's much older now, she still has the same voice as when she was a Padawan.
Well, that happened to Dante Basco since he still have the same voice.
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Anyone else feel that the AT-ATs were designed specifically so the rebels could exploit their weaknesses?
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Berserk Mecha
Anyone else feel that the AT-ATs were designed specifically so the rebels could exploit their weaknesses?
Well, to be fair, they were probably designed with the idea that any group of insurgents wouldn't have as much firepower/resources/Jedi as they do. I'm sure for every group that has anti-tank guns or trip lines, there are a whole bunch more that the AT-ATs do actually destroy or disperse. Unfortunately, we kinda have to take this on faith, as this is the only other time we've seen them being used in official canon, which really doesn't give them a good track record. :P
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Anyone else feel that the AT-ATs were designed specifically so the rebels could exploit their weaknesses?
Tried playing the new Battlefront game? AT-ATs are walking dispensers of death there, absurdly hard to take out.
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Hyena
Tried playing the new Battlefront game? AT-ATs are walking dispensers of death there, absurdly hard to take out.
Well, in practical standpoint.
- No other side weapons to defend itself against rear and side attack.
- X-Wings and other fighters can fire from behind or sides instead of "use ropes" or "attack head on".
- The aforementioned tripping.
Depends if ATST and Tie Fighter (game) counts as rear guard.
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Anyone mind giving me an assessment of the show as it stands? I marathon ed Clone Wars on Netflix awhile ago and really enjoyed it, but the first three episodes of this were very underwhelming when they debuted. Granted, it took Clone some time before really hitting it's stride so I'm curious if this is the same. And if so, has that happened yet?
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If I wanted to watch this could I start with season two or do I have to go back and watch season one?
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It takes a few episodes for the show to set up all the pieces (such as why the Empire would bother sending in elites to crush a freighter-full of ragtag troublemakers), but if you were hoping for something a bit more like later Clone Wars in tone, don't worry. They didn't forget what period they set the series in, and it picks up a bit faster than Clone Wars Season 1.
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If I wanted to watch this could I start with season two or do I have to go back and watch season one?
Watch season one. You could pick it up at season two, but it's a very serial series this time around, so season one has all the details as to why the situation in season two is what it is.
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Watch season one. You could pick it up at season two, but it's a very serial series this time around, so season one has all the details as to why the situation in season two is what it is.
Funnily enough, both series are structurally similar to the movies their based off of. The Clone Wars is a collection of semi-related events with a wide array of minor characters and an endpoint that was hinted at but is ultimately only tangentially related to the rest of the series, much like the prequels were, whilst Rebels is very much a linear narrative focused on one small group of heroes, much like the OT was.
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t209
Well, in practical standpoint.
- No other side weapons to defend itself against rear and side attack.
- X-Wings and other fighters can fire from behind or sides instead of "use ropes" or "attack head on".
- The aforementioned tripping.
Depends if ATST and Tie Fighter (game) counts as rear guard.
-It doesn't need protection, as its armor can repel just about any blast. Only a direct shot to the neck damages it.
- No proof X-wings or speeders can damage AT-ATs anywhere else but the neck
- Yes, they can be tripped, but following the movies, 1/3 attempts by elite pilots succeeded. The other's failed.
- Yes, lightsabers can damage them, but the AT-AT was designed in a largely post-Jedi world.
On screen, we see a few walkers with a pair of AT-STs smash the best defenses the rebels could develop over several months, with the loss of 1 to trip and 1 to Jedi (godly) intervention. Yes, the legends information has tons of them and lots of casualties, but that is not what is seen on screen.
The walkers work.
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lt_murgen
-It doesn't need protection, as its armor can repel just about any blast. Only a direct shot to the neck damages it.
- No proof X-wings or speeders can damage AT-ATs anywhere else but the neck
- Yes, they can be tripped, but following the movies, 1/3 attempts by elite pilots succeeded. The other's failed.
- Yes, lightsabers can damage them, but the AT-AT was designed in a largely post-Jedi world.
On screen, we see a few walkers with a pair of AT-STs smash the best defenses the rebels could develop over several months, with the loss of 1 to trip and 1 to Jedi (godly) intervention. Yes, the legends information has tons of them and lots of casualties, but that is not what is seen on screen.
The walkers work.
That's always been my interpretation of why they're effective. The rebels either have to choose between risking having their best pilots try and stop the AT-ATs (which would open them to enemy fighters or anti-air turrets), or focus them elsewhere and basically let the AT-ATs through. Essentially, any opposition has to play by the Empire's terms, and that's not how battles are won.
Of course, they're probably also stupidly expensive and incredibly difficult to field (due to terrain concerns), but that's another topic.
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Berserk Mecha
Anyone else feel that the AT-ATs were designed specifically so the rebels could exploit their weaknesses?
They are terror weapons more than being practical. They have the Shock and Awe factor, the rumble of the ground, the fear of this giant THING coming towards you.
But if you have the right professional gear of war, not that bad. O'niel could give a nice demonstration on these as well.
With the technology available in the Star Wars universe, you get to a point where you can throw out common sense and go for psychological effects. Mech walkers are silly when you have such readily available hover technology and easy flight capability. But they LOOK scary.
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I'm not sure how it is now but IIRC in the old Legends canon the Imperial Military was dominated entirely by the Fleet. Big capital ships to dominate space was the admiralty's almost sole concern with every other aspect of warfare considered an afterthought.
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Of course, they're probably also stupidly expensive and incredibly difficult to field (due to terrain concerns), but that's another topic.
No Argument on the cost, but it makes me chuckle to see that they are difficult to field because of terrain concerns when their very name is All Terrain Armored Transport (but like you, I'd love to see them deployed on terrain that is something other than vast flat terrain, trees not withstanding)
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No Argument on the cost, but it makes me chuckle to see that they are difficult to field because of terrain concerns when their very name is All Terrain Armored Transport (but like you, I'd love to see them deployed on terrain that is something other than vast flat terrain, trees not withstanding)
While it seems like they could just step over most small obstacles, I think that they run into trouble trying to climb hills, due to their high center of gravity.
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So last night was interesting.
Spoiler: Always Two There Are
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The additional Inquisitors aren't working together at all, preferring to argue over who gets credit for killing Ezra. Their bickering ultimately cost them the capture of the rebels. I have to wonder how that will play out as the season unfolds.
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So last night was interesting.
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The additional Inquisitors aren't working together at all, preferring to argue over who gets credit for killing Ezra. Their bickering ultimately cost them the capture of the rebels. I have to wonder how that will play out as the season unfolds.
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We know that Kanan never graduated Jedi school, and that he fell HARD at some point in his life. He certainly reacted, I don't know, oddly? Maybe even guiltily when asked why he never talked about there being more than one Inquisitor?
Do we know how he survived all of that Order 66 business? Is it possible that he actually spent some time in the Inquisitor training program before returning to the light?
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We know that Kanan never graduated Jedi school, and that he fell HARD at some point in his life. He certainly reacted, I don't know, oddly? Maybe even guiltily when asked why he never talked about there being more than one Inquisitor?
Do we know how he survived all of that Order 66 business? Is it possible that he actually spent some time in the Inquisitor training program before returning to the light?
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Order 66 happened when Kanan was still a padawan. His master gave her life to let him escape. The Inquisitorius certainly never had him, or he'd be dead.
In the interim, Kanan spent time on the outer rim being an itinerant pilot and laborer and trying his best to ignore the Force and stay ahead of the Empire. So far as the novels released with him in them so far tell me, Spark of Rebellion was the first time he'd used his lightsaber since the Clone Wars.
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Anyone mind giving me an assessment of the show as it stands? I marathon ed Clone Wars on Netflix awhile ago and really enjoyed it, but the first three episodes of this were very underwhelming when they debuted. Granted, it took Clone some time before really hitting it's stride so I'm curious if this is the same. And if so, has that happened yet?
It's much the same I'm afraid. The show has its moments but it is basically a giant step down from the clone wars in writing and like everything else I see on Disney XD, dumbed down hard and a heavy hand applied to make it more kid friendly.
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Well, Wolfe is completely forgiven. Eh, I'd think Kanan would have way more hangups about that, but it's rather brushed aside.
Case in point.
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Thinking about it, I have a feeling things are going to come to a head between the Inquisitors and Agent Kallus (I still can't believe they named him that) eventually. First the male Inquisitor left him hanging on Seelos by calling away his Star Destroyer (allowing the rebels to escape again), then told him to bugger off when he wanted to follow up in force in the last episode, leading to the rebels escaping... again. We know from season 1 that Kallus disagreed with the Grand Inquisitor's methods ("I believe he's too focused on the Jedi..."), and he's a formidable man himself, so I can't imagine that he'll continue to take their crap forever if they continue to sabotage him and fail themselves.
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lt_murgen
-It doesn't need protection, as its armor can repel just about any blast. Only a direct shot to the neck damages it.
- No proof X-wings or speeders can damage AT-ATs anywhere else but the neck
- Yes, they can be tripped, but following the movies, 1/3 attempts by elite pilots succeeded. The other's failed.
- Yes, lightsabers can damage them, but the AT-AT was designed in a largely post-Jedi world.
On screen, we see a few walkers with a pair of AT-STs smash the best defenses the rebels could develop over several months, with the loss of 1 to trip and 1 to Jedi (godly) intervention. Yes, the legends information has tons of them and lots of casualties, but that is not what is seen on screen.
The walkers work.
It's another one of the Stormtroopers are bad shots tropes. Walkers are effective when we actually see them And Stormtroopers win every major engagement they are shown in other than the one that happens in what was supposed to be the finale of the series
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Well, this week's episode was underwhelming even by Disneyfied standards.
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I'll say this for Dave Filoni: he's clever and knows his game. Even though Clone Wars was cancelled when Disney took over, he managed to not only get himself a new series, but free rein to bring in his favorite characters from Clone Wars.
So far this season we've had Ahsoka Tano, Captain Rex, and now a sadly creaky Hondo Ohnaka appear in Rebels…in just the first four episodes. Ahsoka I can live with, but Rex feels completely out of place, and Hondo is a sad shadow of his former rogueish self.
The story itself, if you can call it that, was close to nonsensical, a slapdash comic caper which would have fallen flat if it wasn't such a ridiculous tangle. As always, Ezra can get away with anything--including shirking his responsibilities, taking the shuttle for a joyride, and freelancing a mission that the rest of the crew were working on. But that's okey-dokey, all in a day's well-intentioned goofing off.
Urf.
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I can't help but wonder if Asajj Ventris won't be showing up next, although she doesn't really lend herself to a Disney makeover.
But they put in some concept time developing her for the unfinished sixth season of Clone Wars, and given how Rebels is going, I won't be surprised if she makes some sort of appearance.
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I can't help but wonder if Asajj Ventris won't be showing up next, although she doesn't really lend herself to a Disney makeover.
But they put in some concept time developing her for the unfinished sixth season of Clone Wars, and given how Rebels is going, I won't be surprised if she makes some sort of appearance.
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Since Ventress is dead, I would be shocked if they decided to bring her back for this show. In one of the story arcs that would have happened if The Clone Wars had continued, Quinlan Vos was assigned to assassinate Dooku, and to get Ventress to help. In the end, Vos had fallen and Ventress sacrificed herself to save him from the dark side.
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Renegade Paladin
Thinking about it, I have a feeling things are going to come to a head between the Inquisitors and Agent Kallus (I still can't believe they named him that) eventually. First the male Inquisitor left him hanging on Seelos by calling away his Star Destroyer (allowing the rebels to escape again), then told him to bugger off when he wanted to follow up in force in the last episode, leading to the rebels escaping... again. We know from season 1 that Kallus disagreed with the Grand Inquisitor's methods ("I believe he's too focused on the Jedi..."), and he's a formidable man himself, so I can't imagine that he'll continue to take their crap forever if they continue to sabotage him and fail themselves.
The problem is that the Inquisitors serve Vader directly. Even if Kallus was somehow able to handle an Inquisitor by himself (and it's not such an unbelievable thing since someone like Pre Viszla was able to hold his own against the likes of Kenobi and Maul and the Inquisitors are nowhere near their level), Vader would just kill him for interfering.
I do think Kallus will be forced to take action, mind, once he realises how expendable he is.
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Hi people!
so I finally caved to my own Star Wars cravings, and after completely ignoring Clone Wars, I just went through the entire first season of Rebels.
My my. What a great show. Seriously, it got me hooked, and I watched the first season in barely 18 hours.
Now.. I want to know. Do I really need to watch the Clone War cartoon to understand everything that is going on? I mean.. I have heard (thanks SFDebris) who Ahsoka is, for example, but no idea who the guy from the 501st in the trailer is. Would it be a big deal if I never watched these?
And if I had to watch these.. do you recommend me a starting point? 'cause to be honest, I don't really feel like watching the early seasons, which I heard were a bit... silly and juvenile. Don't get me wrong; these aspects usually don't automatically turn me off. But, for example, in Rebels there is mature storytelling and strong characterisation. Things are not silly just to be silly..
..ya know, like the freakkin' Federation Droids. Always went on my nerves.
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I never watched The Clone Wars and I'm not lost at all. You don't need to go back if you don't want to.
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Order 66 happened when Kanan was still a padawan. His master gave her life to let him escape. The Inquisitorius certainly never had him, or he'd be dead.
In the interim, Kanan spent time on the outer rim being an itinerant pilot and laborer and trying his best to ignore the Force and stay ahead of the Empire. So far as the novels released with him in them so far tell me, Spark of Rebellion was the first time he'd used his lightsaber since the Clone Wars.
They released a limited comic series about him as a padawan. I have the first 3, but forgot to go back and get the rest. But the spoilers above are close.
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Now.. I want to know. Do I really need to watch the Clone War cartoon to understand everything that is going on? I mean.. I have heard (thanks SFDebris) who Ahsoka is, for example, but no idea who the guy from the 501st in the trailer is. Would it be a big deal if I never watched these?
Not really, but it does help a bit. It is kind of like not knowing the backstory between Han and Chewie. The relationship works without it, but the backstory enhances and deepens your understanding. Just like this weeks 'guest star'. Knowing the history from The Clone Wars makes him all the funnier.
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Cikomyr
Hi people!
so I finally caved to my own Star Wars cravings, and after completely ignoring Clone Wars, I just went through the entire first season of Rebels.
My my. What a great show. Seriously, it got me hooked, and I watched the first season in barely 18 hours.
Now.. I want to know. Do I really need to watch the Clone War cartoon to understand everything that is going on? I mean.. I have heard (thanks SFDebris) who Ahsoka is, for example, but no idea who the guy from the 501st in the trailer is. Would it be a big deal if I never watched these?
And if I had to watch these.. do you recommend me a starting point? 'cause to be honest, I don't really feel like watching the early seasons, which I heard were a bit... silly and juvenile. Don't get me wrong; these aspects usually don't automatically turn me off. But, for example, in Rebels there is mature storytelling and strong characterisation. Things are not silly just to be silly..
..ya know, like the freakkin' Federation Droids. Always went on my nerves.
If you like Rebels, you should definitely check out Clone Wars to be honest, its also a very good show. Just make sure you look up a 'proper episode' timeline list before you do because the first three seasons of clone wars aren't in the right order.
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Well. We get to see the B-wing perform this time out. I suppose it really is a heavy assault fighter.
I'd ask why they didn't use any Star Destroyers in their blockade, but I suppose that question answers itself, since they would like to actually shoot the rebels and their Star Destroyers have no guns. :smalltongue: Though the real question is why there was a blockade at all. They're starving the planetary population because... why? For t3h evuls?
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Well I hope Hera realises she may have one shotted an Arqutine or whatever it's called, that doesn't mean she can take on Vader!
I think Kallus knew of the link between someone on the planet and Phoenix Squadron so this was to flush both out of hiding.
One because they may know about Ahsoka the other because they're clearly reusing the same story from the clone wars where Senator Organa was the one calling for help...
Oh and in TCW they did that twice the first with Spiderbeard the second I think he was trade federation...?
Me I'd have included a line about it having been a safe haven for Phoenix Squadron and instead of BDZing the place Kallus beseiged it instead...
The BDZ would be spoken about in the next episode but we'll that's a mite too dark for this series isn't it?
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Well I hope Hera realises she may have one shotted an Arqutine or whatever it's called, that doesn't mean she can take on Vader!
Actually, I wouldn't mind Hera being just as good as Vader. Just because Obi-Wan said he was the best in the galaxy doesn't mean he actually was (nor does it imply he still is, what with having half his body replaced with cybernetics) and it would be refreshing for someone with no Force sensitivity at all to be able to compete with someone who has.
Besides, in such a low key show where Kanan and Ezra can never reach the kind of power the Jedi had twenty years ago, it'd be nice for the Ghost's crew to have someone exceptional at something on their team.
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Vader's air skills in the original trilogy were good, but somewhat overstated. Han Solo took out his entire flight of fighters with one shot and he was a ground commander for the rest of the series.
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Okay, what the hell? At the beginning of the episode this woman was trying to steal their stuff and/or murder them, and by the end Sabine trusts her enough to openly say that Senator Organa is a rebel right in front of her? Did I miss something?
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Hopeless
Well I hope Hera realises she may have one shotted an Arqutine or whatever it's called, that doesn't mean she can take on Vader!
I think Kallus knew of the link between someone on the planet and Phoenix Squadron so this was to flush both out of hiding.
One because they may know about Ahsoka the other because they're clearly reusing the same story from the clone wars where Senator Organa was the one calling for help...
Oh and in TCW they did that twice the first with Spiderbeard the second I think he was trade federation...?
Me I'd have included a line about it having been a safe haven for Phoenix Squadron and instead of BDZing the place Kallus beseiged it instead...
The BDZ would be spoken about in the next episode but we'll that's a mite too dark for this series isn't it?
Considering that two people got executed onscreen in Season 1 I'm not sure what can be considered "too dark" for this series...
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Okay, what the hell? At the beginning of the episode this woman was trying to steal their stuff and/or murder them, and by the end Sabine trusts her enough to openly say that Senator Organa is a rebel right in front of her? Did I miss something?
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Yes, yes you did. Sabine outright says they have a History together. As the show goes on, we find out that they left (escaped?) the Imperial Academy together, and were bounty hunters together for some time after. So essentially this show is more about recovering lost trust rather than building trust with a stranger.
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No, I didn't miss that at all. The fact remains that she's still a bounty hunter working for the Black Sun, and the news that Bail Organa is a traitor to the Empire would fetch top dollar to ISB or COMPNOR. That she was just forced to work with Sabine or die doesn't mean that she cares one bit about selling out some planetary ruler she doesn't know.
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...and the black sun are also criminals, and any accusations would have no proof due to the evidence being taken.
An outlandish accusation like that with no backing could be laughed off without worry.
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...and the black sun are also criminals, and any accusations would have no proof due to the evidence being taken.
An outlandish accusation like that with no backing could be laughed off without worry.
I don't think that is the case in the Empire during the time we are talking about. I think every new canon book set before RotJ has some reference to someone who did nothing being taken away by the Empire and never seen again. Now, it may be true in the case of an influential senator like Bail Organa. But I kind of always had the impression that if they had any evidence, even poor evidence, they would have done something about the Organas and Alderaan. As soon as they were able to catch Leia in the act, they proceeded to blow up the planet and schedule her for execution.
If I lived in the Star Wars galaxy during the rebellion, I certainly wouldn't have laughed off any accusation without worry. I'd worry like crazy, even if I had done nothing wrong.
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I don't think that is the case in the Empire during the time we are talking about. I think every new canon book set before RotJ has some reference to someone who did nothing being taken away by the Empire and never seen again. Now, it may be true in the case of an influential senator like Bail Organa. But I kind of always had the impression that if they had any evidence, even poor evidence, they would have done something about the Organas and Alderaan. As soon as they were able to catch Leia in the act, they proceeded to blow up the planet and schedule her for execution.
If I lived in the Star Wars galaxy during the rebellion, I certainly wouldn't have laughed off any accusation without worry. I'd worry like crazy, even if I had done nothing wrong.
There's a lot we don't know about that side of things, too. If you remember, in the Clone Wars Bail Organa was an extremely influential politician, with enough friends that he would have been politically untouchable. Even in A New Hope the Imperial officers were worrying that Leia, too, was untouchable until Vader informed them the Senate as a whole had been dissolved.
Another interesting angle -- a fomenting rebellion is a good thing for a lot of these crime organizations. While it might harm some of their businesses (e.g. in drugs) and does compromise stability, it makes up for it in industrial-scale arms trading. Where do you think the Rebellion's going to get their equipment from? As long as they have to be an underground or semi-underground organization, it's going to be tough to maintain contracts with KDY or Sienar or any of the big boys...I'd submit that going from a disconnected band of cells to an organized rebellion is going to have to involve more than just the bankrolling of Bail Organa and friends; it's also going to have to involve the support of at least one major black-market organization capable of arms trading and distribution on a massive scale.
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You think they wouldn't look? The Imperial Security Bureau is paid to be paranoid. :smalltongue:
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You think they wouldn't look? The Imperial Security Bureau is paid to be paranoid. :smalltongue:
The working relationship (if any) between the ISB and Black Sun is unclear at best right now.:smallwink:
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Darth Credence
I don't think that is the case in the Empire during the time we are talking about. I think every new canon book set before RotJ has some reference to someone who did nothing being taken away by the Empire and never seen again. Now, it may be true in the case of an influential senator like Bail Organa. But I kind of always had the impression that if they had any evidence, even poor evidence, they would have done something about the Organas and Alderaan. As soon as they were able to catch Leia in the act, they proceeded to blow up the planet and schedule her for execution.
If I lived in the Star Wars galaxy during the rebellion, I certainly wouldn't have laughed off any accusation without worry. I'd worry like crazy, even if I had done nothing wrong.
...because it was Darth Vader who caught her in the act. Knowing full well she was already doing it with enough intel to bank an entire star destroyer on capture and personally oversee it instead of allocating it to some lesser figure.
Darth Vader, second to the emperor, head of the inquisition, leader of thousands of troops and a personal armada, gets to make those calls. Random thugs off the street don't.
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The working relationship (if any) between the ISB and Black Sun is unclear at best right now.:smallwink:
While true, she did casually mention an Imperial bounty on Sabine at the beginning. That she thought she could collect on it should she choose implies that she wouldn't be immediately arrested or disregarded for trying. "I heard rebels talking about Bail Organa" is exactly the sort of thing the Empire encourages, after all.
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Renegade Paladin
While true, she did casually mention an Imperial bounty on Sabine at the beginning. That she thought she could collect on it should she choose implies that she wouldn't be immediately arrested or disregarded for trying. "I heard rebels talking about Bail Organa" is
exactly the sort of thing the Empire encourages, after all.
That explicitly only mentions petty thieves and traders.
There is a vast difference between Joe down the street smuggling moonshine, and a member of the ruling elite from a galactic center world being the leader of a vast terrorist conspiracy to bring down the government.
I mean lets get real, it does sound outlandish if you don't know ahead of time it's true. You and I know he's actually the guy, but he doesn't exactly fit the profile to do this kind of thing, by both real life and star wars standards. He's no Nute Gunray and he's certainly no Sith Lord. Hell, expecting a senator to move that many credits without notice and take that kind of time while still showing up to public and senatorial events with regularity strains credibility. Unless you know ahead of time how it's being done, it's one of the most ridiculous things one can think of.
I mean hell, it's even hearsay if Sabine is brought in alive, since she's obviously not talking. "This random terrorist says one of your top guys is giving her orders" isn't exactly a good line.
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The pieces are already starting to stack up before this, though. C-3PO identified himself in the distress call way back in the second episode of Season 1, and Minister Tua certainly knew who she borrowed the droids from - the fact that the droids then participated in repelling the Imperial attack is suspicious, as is the fact they wound up back in the Organas' hands after being last seen boarding the Ghost. COMPNOR is paranoid by design and has no qualms investigating people on much slimmer evidence than that, especially if prompted again by fresh informing.
Hell, in the radio drama for A New Hope, Lord Tion was ready to arrest both Bail and Leia purely because Leia dropped the name of the Death Star in conversation before knowledge of it was public. (He immediately suffered an unfortunate accident, of course.) It's at best questionably canon at this point, but the basic nature of the Empire hasn't changed that much in the new continuity.
And we can nitpick this all we want; the fact remains that Senator Organa's involvement is supposed to be a secret, and Sabine just casually namedrops him in front of an untrustworthy and unconnected party unnecessarily and for no reason. That's the point I'm making; even if Bail Organa is immune to prosecution because of handwavium, it's extremely reckless to take risks with him for no reason.
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So your gravity well projectors are turned up to eleven and pulling your escort ships into collision with you? Here's an idea: SHUT THE DAMNED THINGS OFF! Jesus. :smallsigh:
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Renegade Paladin
And we can nitpick this all we want; the fact remains that Senator Organa's involvement is supposed to be a secret, and Sabine just casually namedrops him in front of an untrustworthy and unconnected party unnecessarily and for no reason. That's the point I'm making; even if Bail Organa is immune to prosecution because of handwavium, it's extremely reckless to take risks with him for no reason.
Maybe this point will be followed up on later. You never know, this show has proven to be really mature about its subject matters at time, and organizational security is kind of a big deal.
At worst, this just highlights Hera's point last season about the importance of compartimentalizing information, and why Hera cant tell Sabine anything thats not directly relevant to her job.
Granted. The reveal of Senator Organa as a rebel leader is probably the sort of plot point that shouldnt have been allowed to happen. They should have focused on Fulcrum's identity, and thats that. Fulcrum could get funding, equipment and intel from Organa, but people under her (like our crew) shouldnt be privy to that secret benefactor.
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Just gotta say, I loved this episode. It was really fun to see how much Erza had developed skill wise and how far he's come.
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I dunno, we never see Luke Skywalker taking out entire hallways full of stormtroopers. Has Ezra really learned more from a half-trained padawan in a few months than Luke did from Yoda?
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Renegade Paladin
I dunno, we never see Luke Skywalker taking out entire hallways full of stormtroopers. Has Ezra really learned more from a half-trained padawan in a few months than Luke did from Yoda?
He never had to..
But Luke did took out all of Jabba's bodyguard scum, which was easily 20. And in way harder conditions than a mere hallway
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In general, this show makes taking on endless numbers of the Empire's military look like child's play. They just go right into heavily armed traps and get out every episode.
I think Ezra's gang beat's The heck out of Luke's...
Or it could have something to do with the fact that everything gets more exagerrated when it's animation.
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Reddish Mage
In general, this show makes taking on endless numbers of the Empire's military look like child's play. They just go right into heavily armed traps and get out every episode.
I think Ezra's gang beat's The heck out of Luke's...
Or it could have something to do with the fact that everything gets more exagerrated when it's animation.
And yet, Luke has by far a bigger kill count.
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Reddish Mage
In general, this show makes taking on endless numbers of the Empire's military look like child's play. They just go right into heavily armed traps and get out every episode.
I think Ezra's gang beat's The heck out of Luke's...
Or it could have something to do with the fact that everything gets more exagerrated when it's animation.
Actually, it has a lot to do with the Empire's lack of internal security/safety cameras. Most of the troops don't know where to find them, and are running all over the ship.
Also, just because a trooper is shot and knocked down doesn't mean they are dead. Heck, Leia took a blaster shot to an unarmored shoulder and was able to fight moments later. But in a running firefight, the trooper that gets knocked down is out of the fight.
At least that is the way I handled it when I GM's W.E.G's D6 Star Wars back in the day.
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He never had to..
Cloud City ring a bell? If he could have gotten to Leia easily, he'd have done it in a heartbeat.
Anyway, tonight's episode... Wow. That was awesome. I mean, other than "Why did the Fifth Brother put away his lightsaber when Zeb came at him barehanded," I can't even nitpick. Excellent show all around this week.
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Renegade Paladin
Cloud City ring a bell? If he could have gotten to Leia easily, he'd have done it in a heartbeat.
Except that no. He couldn't have. His training was incomplete, and Yoda hardly focused on Lightsaber training.
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Cikomyr
Except that no. He couldn't have. His training was incomplete, and Yoda hardly focused on Lightsaber training.
Then you're conceding the point, because that's all the training he ever got. When he went back to Dagobah in Return of the Jedi, Yoda already lay dying.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkrXicqjrUI
Soooo... Did Ezra learn nothing from getting casually stomped in this week's episode? He's only alive because Ahsoka saved them; what does he think has changed?
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Spoiler: Legacy
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I really feel like that needed to be two episodes. I understand the urge to get on with the main plot of Legacy and finding out about Ezra's parents, but I think the credibility of the Empire as a threat suffers (again) by rushing through the escape. Yes, the Rebels lose a transport (that we'd never even seen before) to random TIE fighter fire, but that many Star Destroyers shouldn't be so easy to just waltz away from. The Echo Base evacuation only worked at all because of the theater shield, ion cannon, and advance warning. They had none of those things on Gorel, and yet still managed to have a better record escaping. After building up to it so heavily in The Future of the Force, I feel like there should have been more significant consequences to being found.
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Renegade Paladin
Then you're conceding the point, because that's all the training he ever got. When he went back to Dagobah in Return of the Jedi, Yoda already lay dying.
I recall quite some time passed in-galaxy between Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. Lucas originally planned an entire movie about Luke training but cut it. Apparently, there was also very advanced plans to start Return of the Jedi with an encounter with Vader on a Moon.
Anyway, its clear from the way Luke uses the Force at Jabba's Palace that he's become far more adept at it then we saw before, and the explanation given is that it was picked up from training between the movies.
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Typical TV show. Let the major character learns an important lesson in one episode just to immediately forget the lesson the next.
Seriously, when will those ponies finally learn the importance of friendship? :smalltongue: