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Who is everyone's favorite villain
Through out OOTS a lot of wacky and cool villains have shown up, from Zyken to Thog, each offering a lot up to story, for me Redcloak is my favorite, he feels original and MINOR SPOILERS,
Goes through some character development
So, what's your favorite villain in OOTS?
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That depends on what you're looking for when you say "favorite." I like none of the villains in the sense of thinking they're morally good or wanting them to succeed.
Redcloak, as you note, has depth, nuance, and some measure of justification, even while having far less of all three than he deludes himself he does. What he claims to be pursuing is a worthy cause; the way he's actually sacrificing the goblin people to his unwillingness to admit how badly he messed up with Xykon makes him tragic.
Xykon fills the valuable role of a villain who's both overwhelming in power and entirely unsympathetic. He's an appropriate challenge for the heroes to face down at the story's climax.
Tarquin is, odd as this is to say for someone who openly flaunts knowing he's a fictional character, realistic in a way that makes him a good villain. Real malignant narcissists and sociopaths don't do you the favor of looking like a skeleton, speaking in white-on-black text, and openly stating that they're evil. Tarquin got many, many people making excuses for him even as everything that he actually did showed a monster as vile as Xykon; some of them still do.
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Malak and Tarkin they were cooperative and cohesive even being evil
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Miko - qualifies as a villain at least by The Giant's standards - the "Inspector Javert" of OOTS.
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Considering how well The Giant develops his characters, I'm going with Redcloak post-Azure City. Prior to that storyline, I thought of him as just a flunky supporting the BBEG. But the arc his story followed through that part of the tale got me thinking more about what he is and what motivates him.
I'm actually a little sad that his role seems to have pushed him back into Flunky #1.
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Sienar
Considering how well The Giant develops his characters, I'm going with Redcloak post-Azure City. Prior to that storyline, I thought of him as just a flunky supporting the BBEG. But the arc his story followed through that part of the tale got me thinking more about what he is and what motivates him.
I'm actually a little sad that his role seems to have pushed him back into Flunky #1.
That's what is was for me two, the sad thing is in order for the arc to happen someone had to sacrifice to see what hobgoblins weren't all that different
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Thog is the champion, Thog's friends! And Thog keeps on fighting to the end!
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Does the MiTD still count as a villain at this point? I think his arc has been the most satisfying of team evil.
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mormon_soldier
Does the MiTD still count as a villain at this point? I think his arc has been the most satisfying of team evil.
During his earlier stages I probably would have considered him a villain but he really shifted to neutral in the Azura city arc and with are most recent arc we've seen him purposely try sabotaging team evil so, no
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Kish
That depends on what you're looking for when you say "favorite." I like none of the villains in the sense of thinking they're morally good or wanting them to succeed.
I think it is widely acknowledged that it is ok to like a villain, even to like one more than non-villains - after all I think Redcloak won the most popular character competition a few months back.
A villain will almost by definition not be morally good, so I don't think you need to explicitly preface your comments by saying so to ensure that nobody thinks that you are a baddy yourself for happening to like one.
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There are very few villains I dislike in the sense that I think they’re poorly written characters or that I don’t enjoy seeing them. I like most villains for very different reasons, though, so it’s tough for me to pick a favorite. For instance, I enjoy reading Thog strips more than I enjoy reading Redcloak strips, but Redcloak is a better and more interesting character and I would rather the story lose Thog than Redcloak.
If push came to shove, I’d probably pick Redcloak as my favorite. It helps that you can root for him in many specific scenarios (particularly when he is opposed to Xykon), even if you ultimately want him to be defeated.
Side note: Does Hank count as a villain? I wouldn’t pick him as my #1 favorite, obviously, but I’ve always liked him quite a lot for some reason.
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Xykon. The B-A-Double-D BADDEST motherflipper on the planet.
He's the perfect heel. He's cool, he's witty, he's funny, he's calm, he's cocky, he knows full well how damn awesome he is.
You want him to be in the next strip, because it'll be funny and it'll be cool. You tune in to see him... But he's still evil enough that what you really, really want to tune in and see is him being defeated.
If he 'died' in the next strip I'd be annoyed since we'd never see him again... But I'll be overjoyed when he dies in the last strip.
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All you fools know not the true power of a villain, becuase the greatest villain of all... Is Sandy, the unnamed vampire with a sandy hair color!
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I feel I must nod for:
"A beloved character", "Hipster tool", "Team Player", "Hobbit fajita", "A bumbling sidekick", "A seasoned warrior", "A sexy shoeless god of cooking", "A SEXY SHOELESS GOD OF WAR", "Robespierre",'The 8th dwarf, "Stabby"', "Still alive","The Belkster", "The most badass halfling EVER", "Daddy", "The Handsome Halfling", "A man with a REAL class", "Ali S. Fakenamington", "Badass ranger", "Brokeass ranger", "The New and Improved"
Belkar Bitterleaf, aka Little Death's Helper!
http://www.favslist.com/photos/pages...3676-30940.jpg
Wait, not a villian?
He's a hero?
:confused:
Really?
Okay.
Tsukiko then, 'cause pigtails!
http://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/o...20080717223952
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hamishspence
Miko - qualifies as a villain at least by The Giant's standards - the "Inspector Javert" of OOTS.
I know that the author has... a thing about Javert, but I'm not sure the analogy is all that tight. Javert never assassinates the royals, and isn't actually wrong in suspecting Valjean of various crimes, but he also never rescued the helpless, healed the sick, or found his nemesis conspiring with superiors to break murderers out of prison. Miko has higher highs and lower lows.
I despise Belkar and everything his presence in the narrative stands for, but from a purely narrative-mechanical standpoint he probably has the most well-rounded character arc out of all the Order, and he can be gold in comedy terms.
Xykon is a great comedic villain who can be chillingly effective when he his, ah, allowed to put his mind to it. Redcloak is possibly the most fleshed-out character in the strip, though, so he'd probably get my nomination.
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2D8HP
I feel I must nod for:
"A beloved character", "Hipster tool", "Team Player", "Hobbit fajita", "A bumbling sidekick", "A seasoned warrior", "A sexy shoeless god of cooking", "A SEXY SHOELESS GOD OF WAR", "Robespierre",'The 8th dwarf, "Stabby"', "Still alive","The Belkster", "The most badass halfling EVER", "Daddy", "The Handsome Halfling", "A man with a REAL class", "Ali S. Fakenamington", "Badass ranger", "Brokeass ranger", "The New and Improved"
Belkar Bitterleaf, aka Little Death's Helper!
http://www.favslist.com/photos/pages...3676-30940.jpg
Wait, not a villian?
He's a hero?
:confused:
Really?
Okay.
Tsukiko then, 'cause pigtails!
http://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/o...20080717223952
You got it wrong your first vote said it best short skirt and flight.
Comic 522
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My favorite villain is the blonde bandit girl from strip 151. Great character, very deep, goes through very detailed evolution throughout the strip.
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It’s tough to pick just one, so I’ll list out a few that I think qualify. Definitely Redcloak and Malack, and possibly Nale for the comedic value.
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Tarquin is, as OoTS villains go, as good as Rich has come up with (so far) in terms of trying to add some complexity to character building.
Durkula is gaining on him.
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KorvinStarmast
Tarquin is, as OoTS villains go, as good as Rich has come up with (so far) in terms of trying to add some complexity to character building.
Durkula is gaining on him.
Personally, I tend to think Tarquin is light-years ahead of Durkon* still. The latter isn’t a terribly complex character, though the idea of him being “Durkon on his worst day,” or something related to that, is certainly intriguing.
Tarquin, on the other hand... his willful self-deception is so multilayered and fascinating that I think he rivals Tedcloak* as my favorite villain. I’d like to write an essay on him someday.
* Autocorrect produced this. I caught it before I pressed Submit, but am Ieaving it as is because it amuses me.
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I'd go with Tsukiko because she somehow manages to end up being a tragic figure despite being a traitorous sociopathic necrophiliac.
I like Jirix too, would love to see a book devoted to him, perhaps a side story about what happens in Gobbotopia after team evil leaves.
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Sienar
Considering how well The Giant develops his characters, I'm going with Redcloak post-Azure City. Prior to that storyline, I thought of him as just a flunky supporting the BBEG. But the arc his story followed through that part of the tale got me thinking more about what he is and what motivates him.
I'm actually a little sad that his role seems to have pushed him back into Flunky #1.
Why on earth do you think he is back to being Flunky #1?
Leaving aside his outright statement that he intends to betray Xykon and the clear and detailed steps he has taken to towards that goal (going so far as to memorize every single detail of Xykon's phylactery, having an exact replica made and then adding most of the exact same abjuration spells to that replica while keeping the real phylactery for himself) there's also these lines from Blood is in the Family:
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And the third was that it allowed me to show Redcloak cutting
loose and displaying the full might of a cleric with 9th level
spells. Up until now, Redcloak was always second fiddle,
power-wise, to Xykon. It was crucial that I show that he’d
grown into a heavy hitter on his own, thanks to his focus
on summoning extraplanar allies and the truly disturbing
implosion spell. (In fact, the secondary reason I needed to introduce
the somewhat unpleasant elven commander and lieutenant
characters earlier is that I needed someone whom I could
implode once this scene rolled around. All the existing
characters in the Resistance were too noble for such a fate!)
The scene in Redcloak’s study was an interesting one
to write in that much of the factual information contained
in it was not new to those who had read the villain prequel
Start of Darkness—but I still needed to introduce some of
those ideas to the main comic for those who hadn’t read
that book. (If that includes you, go read the book! It has
clown ninjas in it.) I knew that I had to include certain
exposition in the midst of a scene that had its own dramatic
punch or else it would be three pages of recapping stuff
about which half the audience already knew. I had always
known that Tsukiko was headed to a bad end at Redcloak’s
hands, and so this became the right time to pull the trigger.
Her position as a mystic theurge—a spellcaster who can use
both arcane and divine spells—made her the perfect person
to figure out how Redcloak was manipulating Xykon to
acheive his own goals.
The scene ends with Xykon’s return, and Redcloak’s
boldest gambit yet in #832: telling his boss point-blank that
he killed Tsukiko. By mentioning the half of the ritual that
Xykon had given her behind Redcloak’s back, the goblin
forced his “employer” onto the defensive, possibly for the
first time. Xykon is obviously suspicious of the ritual or he
wouldn’t have handed it over to her to examine—but if he
admits that, then Redcloak would know he was moving
against him. The fact that he’s even worried about that at
all may be the most telling indicator of Redcloak’s rising
power.
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The final strip before they teleport back out (#901)
showcases the changing nature of the main villains. On
one hand, we have Redcloak, growing in power and
agency, becoming fully aware of the Order of the Stick
as adversaries to his plan. At the same time, we have the
Monster in the Darkness, seemingly unlocking qualities
even he didn’t know he possessed to argue in favor of his
friend O-Chul’s allies. And then we have Xykon, the undead
unchanging lich in the middle being tugged at from both
ends. Does he see how his two subordinates are growing
in opposite directions? It’s tough to tell, but it is clear that
he’s much more engaged with stifling Redcloak than he
is with the Order itself. The Monster wins the tug of war
not necessarily because of his rhetorical points but because
Xykon is unwilling to take Redcloak’s point of view seriously.
Good news for the Order in the short term, but it will only
reinforce Redcloak’s interest in squashing them next time.
Compared to his previous role where Xykon puts Redcloak down for the sake of putting him down it seems that the intent now is that Xykon trying to push Redcloak into the flunky position is because he is beginning to get worried about his minion growing powerful enough to actually win when the time for backstabbing begins. It occurs to me that the current story arc might even build up those fears even more. Team Evil is currently spending every single day level grinding against some of the toughest monsters in the world and while some of those monsters are strong enough to give Xykon XP, Redcloak is getting XP from all of them. And as a lower level character he needs less of it to level up. Because of diminishing returns its pretty much inevitable that the level gap will keep shrinking as long as they face equal challenges. I'm not sure if Redcloak will actually be able to win against Xykon (likely not) but I think he will be able to present a credible threat to him when the time comes and might come really close to succeeding.
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Emanick
Personally, I tend to think Tarquin is light-years ahead of Durkon* still. The latter isn’t a terribly complex character, though the idea of him being “Durkon on his worst day,” or something related to that, is certainly intriguing.
True, Rich spent a goodly amount of time giving Tarquin layers.
Durkon is The Enemy Within. It's a different kind of villain. (Tarquin still in the lead, though ... to be sure)
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It’s tough to tell, but it is clear that he’s much more engaged with stifling Redcloak than he
is with the Order itself.
Xykon and RC do have a rather interesting rapport/rivalry dynamic going on. You get these occasional indications of a genuine attachment to eachother or at least enjoyment of eachother's company, but they have fundamentally divergent motives and at least one of them knows it. SoD is a very solid story if you overlook a few flaws, and it's continuation is really quite intriguing.
Unfortunately, this particular scene was also where Xykon lost all credibility as an antagonist to me, and my sporadic interest in the Order's fate finally flatlined. When your primary villain is this accommodating, I see no way the heroes can fail.
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There appears to be a distinct lack of acknowledgement of Hel here, who's found a way to turn the means of her oppression back onto her oppressors. Even though she has to rely on HPoH, who's quite Nale-esque in his desire to outdo Elan Roy and his liking for complicated arrangements, to enact it.
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Jasdoif
There appears to be a distinct lack of acknowledgement of Hel here, who's found a way to turn the means of her oppression back onto her oppressors. Even though she has to rely on HPoH, who's quite Nale-esque in his desire to outdo Elan Roy and his liking for complicated arrangements, to enact it.
My guess is that people hate her too much for what she’s doing to Durkon (and plans to do to the dwarves) to appreciate her scheme much. I personally find it a bit hard to enjoy her cleverness because I’m too invested in wanting it to fail. But it’s possible that I’m just projecting, and not many others feel that way.
There’s also the fact that we haven’t seen her in many strips so far (has she had ten strips with dialogue in them? I don’t think so).
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She's also spent the majority of her screen time acting like a petulant child.
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She didn't even came up to my mind. I guess she just not appeared enough to make an impression.
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I know I already picked, but I want to give a shout-out to the villian Sabine
http://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/o...20170507192803
especially for giving advice to Vaarsuvius, when V was being kept by the ICC
http://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/o...20170401002126
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Iago. But if we're sticking to OotS villains, I'd have to go with Xykon for those rare moments when he drops the goofy veneer to be absolutely terrifying. (Xykon is a superior villain to Tarquin because Xykon is everything Tarquin wishes he was, and owns it completely)
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:smallsigh: I really like the IFCC. they do not get enough screen time for the majors they are supposed to be.
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denthor
:smallsigh: I really like the IFCC. they do not get enough screen time for the majors they are supposed to be.
I do believe that is by design (both In-Universe and Out).
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2D8HP
I feel I must nod for:
"A beloved character", "Hipster tool", "Team Player", "Hobbit fajita", "A bumbling sidekick", "A seasoned warrior", "A sexy shoeless god of cooking", "A SEXY SHOELESS GOD OF WAR", "Robespierre",'The 8th dwarf, "Stabby"', "Still alive","The Belkster", "The most badass halfling EVER", "Daddy", "The Handsome Halfling", "A man with a REAL class", "Ali S. Fakenamington", "Badass ranger", "Brokeass ranger", "The New and Improved"
Belkar Bitterleaf, aka Little Death's Helper!
http://www.favslist.com/photos/pages...3676-30940.jpg
Wait, not a villian?
He's a hero?
Belkar is most definitely evil, and almost certainly fated to die on the deep end of the alignment pool (whether his soul gets a shot at "sexy shoeless god of war" is unknown). I'd claim this is sufficient for villainhood and sufficient to prohibit the title "hero". Maybe he can claim to be an anti-hero. I think he should be allowed to compete in an likely win this event.
Tarquin is a fan favorite and plenty of the playground were willing to ignore his evils and it basically took the "flaming slaves" bit to admit he's a bad guy (this seems to happen a lot with the Giant's villains).
Redcloak is an almost justified villain (he might even be justified, just that he is still evil through and through). This makes him vastly more sympathetic.
Xykon is the official villain for a reason, and his little speeches simply push him into "proper" villainhood.
I still prefer Belkar.
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:vaarsuvius:
she deserve it, he's a villain.
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wumpus
Belkar is most definitely evil, and almost certainly fated to die on the deep end of the alignment pool (whether his soul gets a shot at "sexy shoeless god of war" is unknown). I'd claim this is sufficient for villainhood and sufficient to prohibit the title "hero". Maybe he can claim to be an anti-hero. I think he should be allowed to compete in an likely win this event.
Tarquin is a fan favorite and plenty of the playground were willing to ignore his evils and it basically took the "flaming slaves" bit to admit he's a bad guy (this seems to happen a lot with the Giant's villains).
Redcloak is an almost justified villain (he might even be justified, just that he is still evil through and through). This makes him vastly more sympathetic.
Xykon is the official villain for a reason, and his little speeches simply push him into "proper" villainhood.
I still prefer Belkar.
Belkar is a protagonist and hasn't done anything Evil in weeks, IIRC. While in real life we'd surely consider him one, in the context of the story I think he hardly qualifies as a villain.
Let's look at the dictionary definitions of "villain," though, just to be fair. The first listed definition of "villain" by Merriam-Webster requires opposition to the goals of the heroes, and Belkar rarely opposes the party. I think that definition best fits the way we typically use the word around here.
That said, there are certainly other definitions of "villain" out there. Random House Unabridged Dictionary defines "villain" as "a cruelly malicious person who is involved in or devoted to wickedness or crime; scoundrel; or a character in a play, novel, or the like, who constitutes an important evil agency in the plot." That could fit Belkar, although whether he constitutes an "important evil agency in the plot" is up for debate - he's evil and has agency, but is his agency itself evil? His actions generally benefit the heroes, so I'm not sure he qualifies.
Other Merriam-Webster definitions could also fit Death's Lil' Helper, such as "a deliberate scoundrel or criminal" or "one blamed for a particular evil or difficulty." Neither of these seem to fit the context of storytelling, though, so I wouldn't lean on them too heavily.
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Villains I love are Sabine, Nale, Thog, and especially Tarquin.
Villains I hate are Bozzok, Durkon*, and especially Kubota and Malack
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wumpus
Belkar is most definitely evil, and almost certainly fated to die on the deep end of the alignment pool (whether his soul gets a shot at "sexy shoeless god of war" is unknown). I'd claim this is sufficient for villainhood and sufficient to prohibit the title "hero". Maybe he can claim to be an anti-hero. I think he should be allowed to compete in an likely win this event.
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I still prefer Belkar.
I don't think the only qualification for being a villain is being evil - otherwise there'd be no need for the word 'villain' because 'evil' would cover it. Certainly every evil character the Order encounters is not a villain in their story, because some are incidental. I think to be a villain in a story implies some evil agency that is opposing the heroes' goals in some way. Belkar, although evil, is largely aligned with the heroes goals (and is a hero) so is not a villain in my book.
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If you count belkar as a villain, then belkar deffinitely would be one of my favourites. but redcloak, if we're talking antagonists, Readcloak is goddamn amazing.
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Redcloak manipulates what would typically be the main villain, in a role which would usually be a side villain, hell, he's a redcloak, and yet he's one of the longest surviving villains, with the redshirt role possibly being parodied and full on reversed. He thinks for the goblins, and, from what we've seen, and what i've interpereted, Is trying to use the snarl to threaten the gods into letting goblins live a better, more secure and enjoyable,
Life, instead of being fodder for heroes to slay, monsters just slaughtered for loot and EXP. He's officially an antagonist, but he has redeeming values. Hell, He's brilliant, He gives traditional DND tropes the middle finger, and He's an amazing source of both comedy AND intrigue. Goddamn, Deep. I might be wrong though.
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hamishspence
Miko - qualifies as a villain at least by The Giant's standards - the "Inspector Javert" of OOTS.
Oh, and when counting antagonists, soon after redcloak, miko fits in. DEFINITELY like javert. There is a DEFINITE comparison between the two.
Spoiler: And for the meme
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Shulk
Oh, and when counting antagonists, soon after redcloak, miko fits in. DEFINITELY like javert. There is a DEFINITE comparison between the two.
I'm still kinda fuzzy on that.
I am quite fond of Redcloak as well.
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Lacuna Caster
I'm still
kinda fuzzy on that.
I am quite fond of Redcloak as well.
You are right to doubt that comparisson. anyways, Yeah, Readcloak is... interesting at least.
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Shulk
You are right to doubt that comparisson. anyways, Yeah, Readcloak is... interesting at least.
Well the Giant himself makes the comparison so it seems like a fair one to make to me.
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I have a hard time choosing.
Xykon is the absolute evil not-even-trying-to-justify himself type of villain but is also immensly fun.
Redcloak is a brilliant tragic villain with understandable motives gone too far.
Tarquin is evil-controlling Elan from an older time.
Lurkon is a dark reflection of Durkon completely corrupt but the most meticulous and competent villain in the main comic.
Aaaargh, they're all great...
I am going to go with Lurkon because he doesn't get much appreciation here and because I like his type of dark, deadpan humour.
I don't really consider Belkar a villain of the comic because he is not the source of the problems the heroes have to deal with.
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Lacuna Caster
I know that the author has... a thing about Javert, but I'm not sure the analogy is all that tight. Javert never assassinates the royals, and isn't actually wrong in suspecting Valjean of various crimes, but he also never rescued the helpless, healed the sick, or found his nemesis conspiring with superiors to break murderers out of prison. Miko has higher highs and lower lows.
If memory serves Javert does help the helpless when he arrests Thenardier and the Patron-Minette gang he allied with at the cost of Valjean's arrest.
There is a comparison to be made in that they are both traditionnal heroes in antagonistic roles but where Miko's moral compass was sound (she did act lawfully and goodly) and her perceived importance disproportionnate which doomed her when she could not accept she was wrong, it is Javert's moral compass which was wrong (he equated Law and Good) but he only committed suicide after accepting he had been in the wrong his entire life.
So there is more to them than "Fantasyland Javert" and "19th century France Miko".
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denthor
:smallsigh: I really like the IFCC. they do not get enough screen time for the majors they are supposed to be.
They aren't "majors." They're V's personal villains of relevance only to her, and she has had by far the least focus of the Order.
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Fyraltari
I don't really consider Belkar a villain of the comic because he is not the source of the problems the heroes have to deal with.
Oh, I'm pretty sure he indirectly created a couple. Then again, most of the Order do.
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If memory serves Javert does help the helpless when he arrests Thenardier and the Patron-Minette gang he allied with at the cost of Valjean's arrest.
I'm drawing a blank on that episode, but that sounds like picking between two different forms of 'chasing the guilty'. Don't get me wrong, I think Javert is consistent enough in his motives that you can't accuse him of villainy, especially when he's at least as hard on himself as anyone else, but... with the possible exception of letting Valjean go toward the end, I don't think he's an altruist.
Whereas I think Miko starts out as heroic as anyone in the Order, if not more so, and... well, I don't see anything lawful/good about trying to eviscerate Hinjo, for example. I am skeptical that the same person actually would undergo such a rapid deterioration, but certainly as presented there are some very pronounced shifts in her moral/ethical outlook.
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They aren't "majors." They're V's personal villains of relevance only to her, and she has had by far the least focus of the Order.
They appear to be a threat to the entire world, and the fact that they can yank V out of action at any time makes them dangerous to everyone in the Order, since everyone relies significantly on V’s spell-power during adventuring.
Also, they’re almost certainly one of the nine “sides” in the conflict over the Gates. So that makes them a general threat, not just one to Vaarsuvius.
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Also, they’re almost certainly one of the nine “sides” in the conflict over the Gates. So that makes them a general threat, not just one to Vaarsuvius.
Meh. If they're ever in Roy's presence, they might be a "side."
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zimmerwald1915
Meh. If they're ever in Roy's presence, they might be a "side."
Whelp, I guess that rules out The Dark One having any significance to this story.
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Directly? Yeah, I'd say not. His influence in the story is felt by the actions of his minions, particularly the one in the red cloak. Fisticuffs with deities is not a good place for this story to go.
(Which is not to agree with Zimmer; the IFCC's minions, the Linear Guild, have been in Roy's presence multiple times. I will say that I expect the IFCC, like the Dark One, will remain at a remove from the physical events rather than throwing down with Roy at some point.)
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Am I the only one who think that the IFCC will be the last, strongest and most dangerous enemy in the comic?
You know, when you defeat the main villain (Xykon), resolve his plots (Redcloak, MitD), you think the story is over... and then a more powerfull enemy arise? :O
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No, you are not.
(I don't think that, but I'd be astounded if you were the only one who did.)
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Kish
No, you are not.
(I don't think that, but I'd be astounded if you were the only one who did.)
Based on very poor statistical analysis, borne primarily of insufficiently large sample pool, I'd say 33% 25% 20% of readers believe IFCC will be the last, strongest and most dangerous enemy in the comic.
GW
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Synesthesy
Am I the only one who think that the IFCC will be the last, strongest and most dangerous enemy in the comic?
You know, when you defeat the main villain (Xykon), resolve his plots (Redcloak, MitD), you think the story is over... and then a more powerfull enemy arise? :O
I hope not, unless they're set for a major character-overhaul between now and then... They're quite bland.
I feel it would be an anti-climax for the Order to finally foil the well-developed evil plans of Xykon and Redcloak, the cool, unique, interesting villains we've been following for all these years in a tremendous final battle, and even revealing the MitD's identity... Only for there to be an epilogue featuring the whacky adventures of Lee, Whosit and The Purple One, generic cloaked fiends numbers 1,2 and 3.
(I have legitimately never bothered to commit their names to memory.)
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(I have legitimately never bothered to commit their names to memory.)
Their names are based on their alignment : LEe is Lawful Evil, NEro is Neutral Evil and CEdrik is Chaotic Evil. They're THAT bland.
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Euclidodese
I hope not, unless they're set for a major character-overhaul between now and then... They're quite bland.
I feel it would be an anti-climax for the Order to finally foil the well-developed evil plans of Xykon and Redcloak, the cool, unique, interesting villains we've been following for all these years in a tremendous final battle, and even revealing the MitD's identity... Only for there to be an epilogue featuring the whacky adventures of Lee, Whosit and The Purple One, generic cloaked fiends numbers 1,2 and 3.
(I have legitimately never bothered to commit their names to memory.)
I mean, it depends on who you ask. I find Xykon entertaining enough, but he's also a goofball who treats all of it like a game, is barely aware that Roy (never mind the Order) exists, and has no appreciation for details of the plot like The Snarl, and I'm just not as fond of Redcloak as a lot of other readers are. So while there's definitely some build up to pay off there, to me it would be hard to make a climactic climax out of them.
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(I have legitimately never bothered to commit their names to memory.)
They are quite literally interchangeable, and barely characterized.
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zimmerwald1915
They are quite literally interchangeable, and barely characterized.
Which is weird since they have a team dynamic.
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One that we’re told about rather than shown. Not a great sign.