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Drowtales: The Info Dump
This chapter has had a LOT of surprises in it and many of the mysteries that have been around since the very start of the series are answered.
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Snad (Snadyha'runes) has been pulling some major tricks. She had one of the other clans that are VERY good with bioenginering make a test tube kid for her. The "father" is Mel'arnach, Ariels real mother. (This Clan has gotten very good at bioenginering so the male of the species is no longer needed for procreation). Snad's kid is much older than Areil and a spoiled brat to boot (as well as probably being a sociopath) being. It's not hard to see Snad's kid trying to kill Ariel at some point in the future. Mel herself is showing that she needs to grow up more. Her emotional maturity is that of a teenager in love. She really does love Snad, but I'm not really sure Snad can feel the emotion.
Meanwhile, Lulianne (Mel's guard) decides to go looking around and gets an a clue (lots of them really) about what other things Snad has been up to. Seems the Tainted are basically doomed. In 20 to 50 years the demon seed in the Tainted will grow and consume the person who is tainted. Only a few people have had the seed "crushed" so it cannot happen to them. For everone else it's demon feeding time. Snad has not only tried to kill her own mother (she thinks she succeded), and killed a great many civilains in the war 16 years ago. She also also doomed a large portion of the cities population to a fate worse than death. Many of those eaten will be her allies and supporters as well. Snad is heading towords genocidal maniac in her plans. I really wonder is that is Diva's kid at this point. Did a demon take her over or something? Demons are about the only ones that would really benifit from this plan Snad has.
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HandofShadows
This chapter has had a LOT of surprises in it and many of the mysteries that have been around since the very start of the series are answered.
Yeah, this is madness! Chapter 25 of Drowtales is so full important revealings, some of them only connected to the prologue, which events began 15 years before the main story even starts, that this chapter feels like one big plot-line-dump; It feels, when compared to the normally so slow and steady story progression of DT, really compressed.
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Snadyha was for me always the main villain, because.... of her fur and evil gloating. Seriously she's a real Nihilist, even more than I thought she would be. If Shasana's info is correct, she is not only indifferent to the fate of her sisters and her clan, but she really did plan to let most of them die for her own advantage, thus sealing the fate of the Sharen clan.
And Kalki as a friend of Snadyha was for me no real surprise, as the fact that Snadyha is the Nidraa'chal leader, but the reveal that Mel is one parent of Kalki, which makes Kalki a Half-sister of Ariel, is a huge surprise indeed.
It's really sad for Mel. The one person the likes and trusts with her whole heart is such a bad person behind her mask. Maybe Mel can learn this before it is too late?
P.S: And as a side note. Given the circumstances the Kyrol's point of view doesn't seem to be so crazy anymore, doesn't it? :smallamused:
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P.S: And as a side note. Given the circumstances the Kyrol's point of view doesn't seem to be so crazy anymore, doesn't it? :smallamused:
Not so much I have to admit. And here is a thought. What if Diva keeping the elves underground is not really a way to protect them from demons. Rather it was a way to protect the world from the elves. If you notice Ash goes along with staying underground and she is about as old as Diva (maybe a year or two difference in age). And if anyone wanted to go topside it would be the Dark Elves, since that was where they where born. Thier first homes are on the surface.
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And if anyone wanted to go topside it would be the Dark Elves, since that was where they where born. Thier first homes are on the surface.
Only that the dark elves do no longer exist. In DT there are now only less than a dozen known Dark Elves present, so who is going to repopulate the overwold then? The top world is populated mainly by humans and orcs, well some light elves seem to have survived too.
The story of the degeneration of Drows might be a clue that they should return to the surface. Like I understood the surface was dangerous to them for a very long time. Now that the land has healed sufficiently a return to the overworld did become suddenly possible for them.
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Only that the dark elves do no longer exist. In DT there are now only less than a dozen known Dark Elves present, so who is going to repopulate the overwold then? The top world is populated mainly by humans and orcs, well some light elves seem
to have survived too.
I think you took what I was trying to say the wrong way. I am not talking about the Dark Elves going back as a people, but on an individual basis. Don't you think that Diva would like to see where she grew up again? Or Ash? That is what I am talking about. As a note since the Drow come from Dark Elves as a result of environmental factors, once those factors are removed Drow will have normal Dark Elf decendants.
[QUOTE=Hamilkar;8943645]The story of the degeneration of Drows might be a clue that they should return to the surface. Like I understood the surface was dangerous to them for a very long time. Now that the land has healed sufficiently a return to the overworld did become suddenly possible for them.
True, the Drow COULD go back to the surface, but the old leaders (Diva and Ash) seem to be blocking it and many of the drow do seem to want to stay underground. Ariel does not seem to fall into that group though. She seemed to like it topside.
As for todays page, Holy Sharess' ....errr cleavage (Hey, she is well built :smallbiggrin: ) I guess when Diva said she had been waiting for Shares to come back in the Longest Wait, she meant it literaly. I wonder how many people other than Diva know about this? And golems in dresses. :smallamused:
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I sympathise with Mel, I really do. It's hard not to.
But she's so naieve it's grating.
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True, the Drow COULD go back to the surface, but the old leaders (Diva and Ash) seem to be blocking it
Were does Ash actually block the recolonization attempts of the surface? Zalaess did it during the council and Diva might have done the same in the past.
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As for todays page, Holy Sharess' ....errr cleavage (Hey, she is well built :smallbiggrin: )
Today's page is nice to look at indeed. :smallwink:
So far however this chapter kills me. It should not be named 'The Ninth Tower', but rather 'Revelation Overkill'.
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First we figure out that Kalki is Snadhya's daughter! Then that Mel is the father!! Lu finds then the ninth tower in which Shasana still lives!!! She then tells Lu everything about Snadhya's crazy plan that almost all tainted will be transformed into demons soon, because Snadhya is the boss of the Nidraa'chal!!!! Bye bye Sharen Clan. Oh, and she now mentions that she has Sharesses body conserved and that she plans to bring her back!!!!!
What's next!? I bet Lu has to start running for her life at some point. She will probably tell the Kyorls first about her discoveries, if she survives. And the Kyorls will then be screaming CRUSADE !!!!!!! :smallbiggrin:
And Mel will wonder were Lu went. :smallamused:
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Were does Ash actually block the recolonization attempts of the surface? Zalaess did it during the council and Diva might have done the same in the past.
One of the meetings. She said something to the effect of "Recolinization can be done in the current situation". I don't have the time to do an archive dive right now to find it.
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Chapter 21: If Discordia sneezes, Drowtales is no longer a family comic. :smallcool:
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Chapter 21: If Discordia sneezes, Drowtales is no longer a family comic. :smallcool:
I don't believe drowtales was much of a thing to read to the young 'ns to begin with. I mean Naal and Diva have been Naked onscreen, the latter fully uncensored if I remember well.
Not to mention the whole pre retcon buisness, where we'd see physically five year old Ariels sexual exploits in more-than-we-wanted-to-know detail.
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Kharla is my favorite character by far, and not just because of the rampant fanservice either. She is the scariest person ever. She could make Darth Vader wet himself. (She is the one with the mask and orange hair, in case you got lost in the names). She wants ducky! Or else!
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One of the meetings. She said something to the effect of "Recolinization can be done in the current situation".
You surly mean "Recolinization can't be done in the current situation", right? :smallwink:
Hmmm even so, I don't really see a dark elf agenda to keep the drows in the underworld... Maybe Diva and Ash are still afraid of the overworld, still remembering the horrors they experienced there, and are therefore waiting till they are absolutely sure that all the demons did go before they would allow any recolonization attempts.
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I don't believe drowtales was much of a thing to read to the young 'ns to begin with. I mean Naal and Diva have been Naked onscreen, the latter fully uncensored if I remember well.
The recent naked Sharess is still censored in a way. Her breasts are missing something. :smallamused:
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Not to mention the whole pre retcon buisness, where we'd see physically five year old Ariels sexual exploits in more-than-we-wanted-to-know detail.
These old comics do no longer exist online, it seems... They are wiped from the internet!
In the recent page we see Chrystel again. I see her now as a human (elven) sacrifice, not many years left to live. That's sad actually. :smallfrown:
Gorgeous backgrounds though.
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In the recent page we see Chrystel again. I see her now as a human (elven) sacrifice, not many years left to live. That's sad actually. :smallfrown:
Gorgeous backgrounds though.
Years? I wonder if she is going to last a few more days right now. The setup for this is that one or both the people she is talking to are the enemy.
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Well, those who read the DT forums know that the girl who showed up is the screaming sorceress from the black-and-white filler involving Sillice telling the twins a bedtime story. Similar hairstyle and mannerisms, and spellsong usually means Ilhar'dro.
Time to speculate: Who in each major clan are Nidraa'chal?
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Time to speculate: Who in each major clan are Nidraa'chal?
Let's speculate then... !
I suspect that Nidraa'chal are almost all tainted. The majority will be characters we don't know yet.
I have two candidates. First The Summoner of the Vloz Clan, Nyoka (Chapter 24) although she looks almost too nice, but what is then her purpose in the story? Second the black armored imperial guard, seen in chapter 16 and 19, is definitely a strong candidate.
Hmm the leader from the guild of flowers is also tainted.... but naaaa she looks too innocent!
I have some theories though in which clans the Nidraa'chal are less or not active at all. The question is really were did the Nidraa'chal leaders/core staff all come from. I believe since Snadhya was a teacher in Orthorbbae for a long time and since she seems to keep a close group of very gifted protegees around her (if that information from DD is correct), she might have recruited the first Nidraa'chal out of some of them, therefore spreading the 'taint' of Nidraa'chal membership to almost all clans.
This means, if this is true, that the Clans who do not have much members in Orthorbbae, are more unlikely to be infiltrated with Nidraa'chal 'Sleeper Agents' namely the Sarghress, because they do not have many Val's in their ranks. However their 'open door policy' regarding recruits might be dangerous. Also I have some trouble to see the Kyrols infiltrated, for that the Nidraa'chal in question can't be (obviously) tainted and had to avoid and/or trick the judicators all the time. Also the Kyrols have their own school district now. Finally the Beldrobbaen might have no (or less) Nidraa'chal in their ranks, because they seem to be too traditional for this kind of thinking and do not seem to be so positive on tainting, plus this clan could be destined to fall like the Dutan'Virs because they also seem to be a more stabilizing clan for Chel'el'Sussoloth. Also the Sullisin'rune with their Empaths would make it for Nidraa'chal members difficult to hide, I think.
So what's left? The Sharen, the Illhar'dro, the Nal'Sarkoth, the Jaal'darya and the Vloz'ress.
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So what's left? The Sharen, the Illhar'dro, the Nal'Sarkoth, the Jaal'darya and the Vloz'ress.
Sharen: It's obvious who's in.
Ilhar'dro: Banshee Lady and her ilk.
Nal'Sarkoth: Nobody that we've seen in color.
Jaal'darya: The ones who helped Snadya make her baby.
Vloz'ress: Kes'sen, Sene'kha, and Larvova are all suspects, although we'll never know with Sene'kha. Nyoka's innocent, though. And if Baliir or the Twins find any out, there will be murders.
Sarghress: They're there, all right. Not sure who, though.
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Holy cow.... I mean Sharess !
Khaless almost explodes with evil demonic awesomeness.
*crosses fingers that a cool fight breaks out and no cut to another scene appears*
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Wow the Drowtales team does like to leave us hanging. An very interesting battle and we see the winner but not how it's going to play out. :smallfurious:
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I only now realise what Kharla's problem is. She is not retarded, she is autistic. She has pretty much all the symptoms, right down to the hand-biting. It seems fairly mild, though. So don't be surprised if she suddenly outsmarts someone.
Does anyone know where the story about when Kharla was found is? I seem to recall her being found in an abandoned house by Sene'kha.
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The side story, Char. Sene'kha found her in a secondary city... There was a podcast of the story, and later Starlitdragon put the story in comic form.
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Well it seems that another child gang is building up.
Chrystel, Kiel, Naal and maybe Shinae's adventures? Let's call them team tainted :smallamused:
And there is so much black in the Beldrobbaen fortress, with Waes'soloth always watching the empty corridors! What a merry place. :smalltongue:
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Well it seems that another child gang is building up.
Chrystel, Kiel, Naal and maybe Shinae's adventures? Let's call them team tainted :smallamused:
And there is so much black in the Beldrobbaen fortress, with Waes'soloth always watching the empty corridors! What a merry place. :smalltongue:
Team tainted it is! Do you think Shinae will run and tell on them? I think she will.
Let's call the Beldrobbaen "The Emo Elves" from now on :smallbiggrin: Elves...color coded for your convinience.
This comic has the best art of any web comic I have seen. There is a whole team behind it, but still.
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Team tainted it is! Do you think Shinae will run and tell on them? I think she will.
Well I'm unsure on that. Maybe she will betray Team Tainted eventually, especially when she thinks that she's actually doing the right thing. Shinae is for all her arrogance, not a very independent person. For her the rules/traditions have to be upheld, no matter the costs. If she believes anything, it is that the Sharen are great and can't be wrong in any case. So if Chrystel threatens her worldview enough, Shinae would do it.
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Let's call the Beldrobbaen "The Emo Elves" from now on :smallbiggrin: Elves...color coded for your convinience.
Yes the Beldrobbaen are emo elves.... who will slit your throat if you call them that! More like emo assassins. :smallwink: Their Illharess is a bit weird too. Casual talk with her little daughter include topics like cutting away some limbs from some ambassadors to teach them a lesson and let's not forget that she overreacted at least one time in the past by killing all slaves in the fortress. Still I like her character for some reason :smallbiggrin:
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This comic has the best art of any web comic I have seen. There is a whole team behind it, but still.
Agreed
Hmm in today's comic, either the forth wall was irreversible broken, or the drow have the concept of a troll, as an person who post err I mean speak inflammatory speeches. And no, this time Kiel did not use the word!
But to make fun of a Kyrol fanatic is always justified in my book. :smalltongue:
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Hmm in
today's comic,
either the forth wall was irreversible broken,
or the drow have the concept of a troll, as an person who post err I mean speak inflammatory speeches. And no, this time Kiel did not use the word!
Kiel is a little bit of the Deadpool of Drowtales. She is aware that she is being watched and talks to those people (us) from time to time. She does not know who is watching though (wonder how she would react to it being humans with a highly advanced scocity? :smallbiggrin: ). Other people think she is bastspit crazy when she does this of course. Now something that bit scary is Kiel's "big sister" Kharla. If you notice the dolls she makes are dressed in real world cloths or have stong references to Earth. The last doll she made was Charlie McCarthy ( http://www.drowtales.com/mainarchive...xtra=1&id=1225 ). :smalleek: I guess with all her power (which seems to include peering into other dimensions) Chel is lucky she is mearly autistic and not insane/evil/demon possessed.
I think the forth wall being damaged is incorrect in this case however. They are using terms that we recognize since the are using the drow version of those terms. People standing on steet corners and making speeches like isn't all that common in the US or Canada, but there is a street set aside in London for just this purpose (cannot recall the name at the moment) and it seems to be rather popular.
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When somebody shouts some weird philosophy at the street, I'd call them lunatics or fools, never trolls, but maybe it's me. Also were does 'feeding the troll' appear in Kiel's lingo?
Funny that the Kyrol can't be a troll (in our understanding of the word) because he's believing his own words and he does not want to cause grief or displeasure, he wants to convince. Also he does preach and not discuss.
Anyway Kiel is being funny and that's what counts, doesn't it? :smallcool:
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In the context, I think troll is a term for someone who's behaving in a stupid and/or aggressive manner. Feeding the troll would be a term for inciting that behavior. So, a tainted disrupting a soapbox sermon would be feeding this particular troll.
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What turned Chrystel, into such an pessimist? An what brought her mind to the Jaal'Daria all of a sudden? If she gets more paranoid, she will turn into a fine Beldrobbaen. :smalltongue:
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What turned Chrystel, into such an pessimist?
Find out her grandmother and national ruler was dead, and that her mother was apparently lying about it.
As for the Jaal'darya, she was watching the council. You heard the anti-tradition rhetoric coming from their Il'haress as well as I did.
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It looks like that Team Tainted is now up to six members, that means full adventure party strength! :smallwink: (Ok, if Kaul is not a honorary member of Team Tainted, five actually :smalltongue: )
It's really a kind of a mirror of 'Ariel's Group'
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It's really a kind of a mirror of 'Ariel's Group'
I noticed this as well. Considering how well mapped out the storyline is this is clearly intentional. But how will it play out?
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I noticed this as well. Considering how well mapped out the storyline is this is clearly intentional. But how will it play out?
Who knows the future? I think that the two groups will not interact in some time, especially since Chiri and her Warder are still in the overworld. Maybe they will clash after the timeskip? If there's no Kyonne present, who could then play the mediator (again).
Too many members of the two groups hate each other, therefore each initial meeting would be quite hostile, that's for sure. The Sharen hate the Sarghress and vice versa. The Kyrols hate the Vlozress, Kiel blames Ariel for the death of her brother (quite true) and I don't think that Ariel will be happy when she sees Nau and Khal.
Of course this is only true if they all continue to survive. Taken into account that some characters already died in Drowtales, sneaking around in Snadya's Lair might be quite dangerous. After all, if no cure for 'bad' tainting is found, all members of Team Tainted will die, eventually. :smalleek:
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And then you have Mini Diva in there to make it even more complex. How will she react to her grand kids?
I think that how things end up will depend on if someone can figure out that many of the them are on the same side to some extent.
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It seems pretty odd that no one notices that people are conveniently sprouting riches in the recent strip.
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Poor Relic Hunters. :smallfrown: Seems like a lot of people are looking for WMD in one form or another. The Sharen with the Tainted, the Jaal have a nasty bioweapon and there is the Demon God that members of the Vloz are trying to summon. And who knows what other Clans are up to.
Worse, the only a few people are trying to do anything about it and most of the are kids. :smalleek:
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It seems pretty odd that no one notices that people are conveniently sprouting riches in the recent strip.
It seems pretty odd that no one of the Relic hunter notices that they are conveniently sprouting some fungi infection on their skins. :smallamused:
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Poor Relic Hunters. :smallfrown: Seems like a lot of people are looking for WMD in one form or another. The Sharen with the Tainted, the Jaal have a nasty bioweapon and there is the Demon God that members of the Vloz are trying to summon. And who knows what other Clans are up to.
I wonder how the Jaals will fit in the general storyline. They could infect everyone. All Drow die. Story ends! :smallbiggrin:
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Worse, the only a few people are trying to do anything about it and most of the are kids. :smalleek:
Why do I think of this suddently?
Team Tainted: "That puts an end to your nihilistic plans of word domination Snadhya!"
Snadhya: "I would have gotten away with it, if it wasn't for you meddling little kids!"
(just joking!)
It seems that in the current chapter we'll be watching Team Tainted investigate their school. Apparently it will take some more time, when we'll see Ariel again. Hmmm I know that Drow from the cover somewere. Could it be the one who tried to taint Faen?
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It seems pretty odd that no one of the Relic hunter notices that they are conveniently sprouting some fungi infection on their skins. :smallamused:
That is actually more realistic than you might think. There are actually some parisites that force their hosts to get themselves KILLED as part of their life normal cycle. Someone inventing a Bioweapon (it seems to me that this is a weapon left over from the Moons time) that would effect the hosts mind.
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I wonder how the Jaals will fit in the general storyline. They could infect everyone. All Drow die. Story ends! :smallbiggrin:
This may not be far off. Chel is headed for a HUGE blowup and it could be the end of the Moonless Age sometime along the line.
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Why do I think of this suddently?
Team Tainted: "That puts an end to your nihilistic plans of word domination Snadhya!"
Snadhya: "I would have gotten away with it, if it wasn't for you meddling little kids!"
(just joking!)
LOL
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It seems that in the current chapter we'll be watching Team Tainted investigate their school. Apparently it will take some more time, when we'll see Ariel again. Hmmm I know that Drow from the cover somewere. Could it be the one who tried to taint Faen?
This seems to be the case.
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Lu run fast, because when Snadhya puzzles it out, she will be in a mad rage. :smallfurious:
Well Snadhya will not loose Khaless, and since a part of her is still inside of Lu, maybe Snadhya can let the seed grow, so that it takes over. :smalleek: Either that or Lu dies in the process.
Yes, Lu should definitely run fast. She should not have tried to contact Mel in the first place.
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Ok, now this is really raising the question of who is running the show in Lu's head (the sudden healing is quite unnatural). The demon or Lu? Maybe instead of the demon eating Lu, Lu ate the demon? (I know, fat chance of that happening).
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Ok, now this is really raising the question of who is running the show in Lu's head (the sudden healing is quite unnatural). The demon or Lu? Maybe instead of the demon eating Lu, Lu ate the demon? (I know, fat chance of that happening).
Yes this is suspicious. I don't know what effects heavy tainting has though. Or is Lu beyond tainting (and doesn't know perhaps) ?
Since a demon gets some knowledge of the host, could it be also the other way around? That Khaless-demon-thing was intelligent unlike most of the demons we seen so far. What if we have a mix of personalities in Lu, therefore her confusion. The only certainty for me is that Khaless didn't take over Lu's mind. If Khaless would have taken over Lu's mind completely, she would have behaved different.
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Oh and Mel in the bath with (Archvillain) Snadyha and high on chocolate is funny. And it is something how girlish Mel behaves in front of her (nihilistic) lover. Really convincing how their hair and the soap bubbles are covering all delicate parts in the last two pages. :smallamused:
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Well if they showed more it would be a Daydream page. Mel has always had the emotional development of a child. Heck, in many ways Ariel is much more grown up emotional than Mel is.
I wonder how many more levels of "Manipulative ****" Snad can take though. She must nearly be maxed out on them. Or maybe in the Dorwtales Universe the Drow don't have a level limit for tha skill. :smallbiggrin:
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Oh and Mel in the bath with (Archvillain) Snadyha and high on chocolate is funny. And it is something how girlish Mel behaves in front of her (nihilistic) lover. Really convincing how their hair and the soap bubbles are covering all delicate parts in the last two pages. :smallamused:
The Vals sure know how to have a good time! I think elf hair is magic, it is always in the right place at the right time. :smalltongue:
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Oh noes! :smallfrown:
Seems that Naal will die soon. The recent pages were another reminder that Nall will not stay with the others all the time. How often was is mentioned in the comic now that she will die soon? Three times?
I believe that Naal will not survive the announced timeskip.
Also, what a coincidence that this room is the very place were Faen and Ariel met for their first time.
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Oh noes! :smallfrown:
Seems that Naal will die soon. The recent pages were another reminder that Nall will not stay with the others all the time. How often was is mentioned in the comic now that she will die soon? Three times?
I believe that Naal will not survive the announced timeskip.
I had forgotten about that. The timeskip is at the end of 2010, right?
I'm gonna miss Naal. She's my favorite character, right up there with Kiel.
Also, hi. This thread's existence is what finally made me read Drowtales, after having stumbled across references to the comic on TVtropes all the time. So, um... 'sup?
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I really don't think Naal's fall is a reminder of her very short time left. If you notice she collapsed JUST as she entered the room. And I also don't think that it's a coincidence this is where Ariel and Fen first met. On the Drowtales forum they went and dug up the old pages when the story was is this area the first time and there where a few interesting things going on. One thing is that it seems that something saved Ariel from crashing into the floor at flull speed.
http://www.drowtales.com/mainarchive...page=1&check=1
So there is someone or something down there. Who or what is the question. At this point it does seem to be friendly. This part of the story has been planned WAY ahead of time.
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HandofShadows
I really don't think Naal's fall is a reminder of her very short time left. If you notice she collapsed JUST as she entered the room. And I also don't think that it's a coincidence this is where Ariel and Fen first met. On the Drowtales forum they went and dug up the old pages when the story was is this area the first time and there where a few interesting things going on. One thing is that it seems that something saved Ariel from crashing into the floor at flull speed.
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So there is someone or something down there. Who or what is the question. At this point it does seem to be friendly. This part of the story has been planned WAY ahead of time.
So the room helps certain people while it inconveniences others?
I'd rather think that Ariel pushed herself unconsciously up with her air-sorcery, it's her specialty after all. The images of the ghosts (during Ariel's healing) could indicate something, though. Maybe this was one of the doors Faen was staring at?
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I had forgotten about that. The timeskip is at the end of 2010, right?
I'm gonna miss Naal. She's my favorite character, right up there with Kiel.
Yes, I think so. Naal is one of my favorite characters (together with Ariel and Diva/Liriel)
But Kiel I do not especially like. (I don't know why exactly, maybe she is too chaotic?)
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Also, hi. This thread's existence is what finally made me read Drowtales, after having stumbled across references to the comic on TVtropes all the time. So, um... 'sup?
Hi there!
For me the Drowtales forum is a bit too crowded ^^ Also when I look inside, everything I want to discuss is often already taken care of, the rest discussions are then only for fun or sometimes a super detailed analysis of some side issue. Both doesn't suit me much.
Also it's fun to discuss the comic with people who are not fully dedicated to the cause. :smallwink:
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Hamilkar
Yes, I think so. Naal is one of my favorite characters (together with Ariel and Diva/Liriel)
But Kiel I do not especially like. (I don't know why exactly, maybe she is too chaotic?)
Kiel's chaotic, carefree attitude is exactly why I like her. She's a great foil for Naal (or maybe it's the other way around).
I can't really imagine one without the other, though...
Ariel and her party are kinda annoying to me. I think mostly because they feel more like an RPG adventuring party than real characters in a story.
Ragtag-ness can be cool, but in this case it just feels tagged-on.
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Hi there!
For me the Drowtales forum is a bit too crowded ^^ Also when I look inside, everything I want to discuss is often already taken care of, the rest discussions are then only for fun or sometimes a super detailed analysis of some side issue. Both doesn't suit me much.
Also it's fun to discuss the comic with people who are not fully dedicated to the cause. :smallwink:
Hehe. I haven't been to the Drowtales forum. It's a good comic, but not enough to dedicate the time it takes to keep up with a forum (OoTS is special that way :smallwink:).
I fully support the "casual plot discussion" approach! Incidentally, I don't think we've ever seen "unconscious magic" anywhere in the comic before, so I'm gonna have to go with "there's something there".
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So the room helps certain people while it inconveniences others?
What if Naal wan't the one being "inconvenienced", but the demon inside of her?
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I'd rather think that Ariel pushed herself unconsciously up with her air-sorcery, it's her specialty after all. The images of the ghosts (during Ariel's healing) could indicate something, though. Maybe this was one of the doors Faen was staring at?
Faen was not looking at the door during that scene (she was concentrating an Ariel). Ariel did look at the door when she woke up though. The person who did pay the most attention to the door (and even threw a stone at it) is now the one who wants the door opened the most. I wonder if she sees the irony of it?
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Ariel and her party are kinda annoying to me. I think mostly because they feel more like an RPG adventuring party than real characters in a story.
Ragtag-ness can be cool, but in this case it just feels tagged-on.
A lot of people said they felt that Ariel trip to the surface was a dungon exploration in reverse. And I think it was intentional on the part of the Drowtales team. It did serve it's purpose and the results with all the characters will have a lasting effect on the storyline. Ariel is a little more confident now and saved her friend. Faen is alive and should (will) recover. Diva is back and seems to be falling into a mentor role for Ariel. The fanatics may not be so fanatical anymore and a huge threat to Ariel is dead. Ariel's bodyguard (and closest thing to a true parent) joining the Raiders was a loss, but she is still alive (for now) and should come back with Chu's help.
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The Vals sure know how to have a good time! I think elf hair is magic, it is always in the right place at the right time. :smalltongue:
If that is the case then elf cloathing is magic too! :smallbiggrin:
Mel is so trusting with Snadhya, it would be infuriating to watch, if not for the nice artwork of these pages. Very Nice! :smallcool:
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Incidentally, I don't think we've ever seen "unconscious magic" anywhere in the comic before, so I'm gonna have to go with "there's something there".
We have seen unconscious magic with the character of Waes'soloth. During the council, twice (1, 2) when she gets agitated her shadows are forming up behind her, almost like an extension of her body. I don't think she did it consciously. That seem to happen to her without any conscious thought.
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A lot of people said they felt that Ariel trip to the surface was a dungon exploration in reverse. And I think it was intentional on the part of the Drowtales team. It did serve it's purpose and the results with all the characters will have a lasting effect on the storyline. Ariel is a little more confident now and saved her friend. Faen is alive and should (will) recover. Diva is back and seems to be falling into a mentor role for Ariel. The fanatics may not be so fanatical anymore and a huge threat to Ariel is dead. Ariel's bodyguard (and closest thing to a true parent) joining the Raiders was a loss, but she is still alive (for now) and should come back with Chu's help.
Well everyone learned something on (the trip to) the surface. Kyonne that carefreeness can be unhealthy, Chiri that she is of (double ^^) light elf origin and that some light elves are still alive up there, as well to better hold her (very short) temper at check. Shan learned that he, wait he developed somewhat? Liriel learned the source of her headaches, Melodia that she can talk, Faen that traveling to the surface alone and unprotected is not necessary funny and finally Ariel (and Chiri too) that a suicidal frontal attack to a city will succeed, if you have the power of the plot at your side.
Who finds any sarcasm here, can take away as much as he can carry.
I do not see so much change (except Liriel/Diva) in the characters, but the trip might still lead to some future character developments in the characters, if they are starting to consider what they learned/experienced. (If they have time for this before the timeskip will take place :smallwink: ) They are all alone or in groups of two, now. I'm really looking forward to see how Diva and Ariel will interact with each other.
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@HandofShadows: I guess they did learn something new, and I agree that the trip was necessary for a lot of things.
That doesn't exclude the execution from being poor, though.
I liked the Rik storyline. It had been foreshadowed and felt natural. I also liked Chiri & co.'s new discoveries... though their departure from the group just felt like a plotty excuse to get them away.
I also like Ariel's bodyguard, and her departure was a nice plot point.
I didn't like the "win by the power of plot" (though I think I read that they had to shorten that particular chapter considerably). I don't understand why Melodia had to come along, except to be neither-funny-nor-cute filler (she's quite... creepy to me, actually).
Liriel annoyed me from the beginning. She seemed like something waaaay too wacky for the otherwise dark tone the comic normally has.
To contrast, I like Kyo's wackiness. It seems natural and cute and doesn't leave me wondering "how have you survived until now?"
Liriel's behavior made a bit more sense after her transformation, which made it almost tolerable in hindsight, though it basically just cemented Ariel's Mary Sueness.
Yeah, I don't care much for Ariel. As far as I understood, the comic originally had Ariel as a product of Evil Drow society and slowly learning empathy. I think that would've been a much more interesting story to read.
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Mel is so trusting with Snadhya, it would be infuriating to watch, if not for the nice artwork of these pages. Very Nice! :smallcool:
Meh. Personally, I was kinda surprised when I realized that the artist is female.
I adore the details in the backgrounds, and the generally high quality of the artwork. But when it comes to fanservice, I tend to be a bit distracted by the many, many anatomical and physical laws it breaks :smalltongue:
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We have seen unconscious magic with the character of Waes'soloth. During the council, twice (
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2) when she gets agitated her shadows are forming up behind her, almost like an extension of her body. I don't think she did it consciously. That seem to happen to her without any conscious thought.
Ooh, nice catch. I actually didn't notice that when I read the comic.
Part of me wants to counter-argument that Waes'soloth is one of the strongest characters in the comic (maybe only trumphed by Diva (pre-Liriel) and Ash), so maybe it's not really a common phenomenon.
However, I have no basis for this argument, so I'll condlude with "huh, seems the theory could be plausible."
Woow, lots of bitching here. I still follow the comic, and I enjoy it a lot at it's current focus on Team Tainted and Snad/Mel.
Seems like you guys just caught my specific peeves - the reverse dungeon crawl, Liriel, Ariel's Mary Sueness, and the physics-defying fanservice.
I'll be nicer, I swear :smalltongue:
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[QUOTE=Glass Mouse;9587682Meh. Personally, I was kinda surprised when I realized that the artist is female. [/QUOTE]
Umm. Kern (the writer and penciler) is a guy. Kite, the colorist (and Kern's main squeeze) is female.
As for Ariel currently being a Mary Sue I really don't see it. Ariel was well on the way to be a Anti-hero until she accidentally killed a slave. That was when she started trying to turn herself around. While she is fairly powerfull, her abilities aren't that far out of line with others, just rare (and logical considering who her parents are).
The Old Ariel (pre-rewrite) was much more a Mary Sue. Her abilities far greater than anything she can do now. Really, I tend to think that Ariel has gotten lucky in meeting the right people. Both Faen and Vaelia have kept Ariel in one piece mentaly and physically. Having Diva will along will likely continue the trend as she acts as a mentor to her.
And you didn't know that Queen Blueberry was in part Diva? We discovered that some time ago in the story "The Longest Wait". Read that and Liriel being batspit insane half the time is actually logical.
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Umm. Kern (the writer and penciler) is a guy. Kite, the colorist (and Kern's main squeeze) is female.
Oh. I guess that explains that, then. Also, I'm a moron.
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As for Ariel currently being a Mary Sue I really don't see it.
I see your point(s), and Ariel is definitely not the most reality-warping character I've ever seen.
The Mary Sue thing didn't really show up for me before the Faen rescue. It was just too over-the-top (and I bet you've heard that a lot of times before). There were hints before, but I think we'll have to disagree here - you see the "right persons" as something negating the Mary Sueness, I see it as an expression of it.
I guess it all comes down to whether or not we think it feels natural that Ariel meets the people she does, and gets help where she does, or if it feels like the plot is construed specifically to make her meet those persons or get that help.
I'll be honest, too, and say that my judgment may be slightly biased as I have disliked the character ever since Maya's death. Dunno. To me, Maya's death did indeed feel like a turning point, but completely opposite of the way you see it.
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And you didn't know that Queen Blueberry was in part Diva? We discovered that some time ago in the story "The Longest Wait". Read that and Liriel being batspit insane half the time is actually logical.
Oh. I haven't read that one. That sounds like it may redeem Liriel's character to me :-)
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Aaaaaaaand Kiel's plan fall apart. 5.37 seconds, a new record for her! :smallbiggrin:
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Or maybe they counted on Snad to bring the crown along, which means Mel just saved their entire plan!
What? I can hope, can't I? :smallwink:
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What would be really funny is if Mel was planning on doing something similar with the crown that Team Tainted was planning. She didn't taken the crown by accident.
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I don't think that's the case, though. I seriously doubt that Mel would go sneaking around behind Snad's back.
However, if Lu confided in her first, that might be a very different story...
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Well Kiels plan doesn't seem to work out.
But only because Snadhya is lucky to have Mel around. :smallwink:
Well team tainted needs to be careful. Let's see how Naal will deal with the headmistress.
On the bright side, as long Snadhya has Mel accompanying her, she won't be too nasty in punishing students.
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Keil is a good planner and I suspect she has a plan B and C someplace. Either that or something will happen that drops the crown into Team Tainted hand's by accident.
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Yay, Lu is back! And she's apparently no prisoner, she even has a sword.
Well maybe Team Tainted won't get Snadhya's crown, but the meeting with Lu could yield some results. Although Lu hates the Vlozress as I recall.
By the way, Kiel eating the orange like an apple, eating the bitter orange peel, is the mistake everyone makes who doesn't know the fruit. Happened to a lot of east Germans (former German Democratic Republic) shortly after the reunification, when many of them had for the first time the chance to eat a citrus fruit, which communism wasn't able to provide, apparently.
But it's still funny :smallbiggrin: