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Battle Royale III: Frenemy mine.
Hello and welcome to the greatest vs thread of all time! We have 128 characters from a variety of universes for you to debate about.
Although this is a debate thread, it is one with a difference. You have to vote for who you think would win before you get to debate. Simply bold the name of the competitor you think would win like this. If you don't want to vote for the character you think would win you can vote for the character you want to win and even cast a joke vote. All of these count to the final vote score. Try and vote in as many combats as possible (there can be 16 at a time). Your vote will progress the tournament.
All characters are at their most powerful (unassisted and non-omnipotent level). They do not get any one-shot power boosts. Ever. They do not get to bring allies with them although they can bring vehicles (for example, Mecha) if doing so increases their power considerably. Both combatents will fight and not hesitate. Fights are Knock-out (or to the death if said opponent cannot be knocked out). This is because some of the characters are immortal.
Now to discuss Terrain Rules. The first person to vote in an individual combat picks the terrain. The only restriction is that the terrain must not be able to harm any or both of the combatants, for example, space, lava, bottom of the sea, toxic environments and anything else. Of course, if both opponents are immune to the environment (and that includes with vehicles like space ships) then they can use it. Environments that aid one combatant are allowed, but not if the environment itself hinders the opponent without manipulation by the advantaged combatant. The rule that combatants cannot have any help still applies. Furthermore, no creatures are present in the terrain to distract combatants.
But that's old stuff. Some of you may have heard of the "twist" this royale would have. I am now at liberty to reveal it as....
Tag teams.
Yes, tag teams. The hero and villain joining forces to fight off similar pairings from other universes. The hero and villain will never "betray" each other, but their antagonism may affect their teamwork. Neither gets any assistance from anyone but their partner.
Time to reveal the first 32 contestants.
Ripley & Ash (Aliens vs. Predator verse) vs Smiling Jack & Divis Mal (Whitewolf)
Rachel & David (Animorphs) vs Creed & Swarmlord (Warhammer 40k)
Tom Strong & Kid Miracleman (Alan Moore) vs Rhinox & Starscream (Transformers)
King Arthur & Green Knight (Arthurian Legend) vs Splinter & Shredder (TMNT)
Aang & Koh the Facestealer (Avatar: the Last Airbender 'verse) vs T-800 & T-1000 (Terminator)
Ichigo & Aizen (Bleach) vs Castiel & Lucifer (Supernatural)
Giles & Olvikan (Richard Wilkins) (Buffyverse) vs Ken Masters & Akuma (Street Fighter)
Rolo & Charles Vi Britannia (Code Geass) vs Luke Skywalker & Emperor Palpatine (Star Wars)
Votes due 20th November@ 9:00am. Please vote and debate.
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1. Whitewolf Smiling Jack
is basically irrelevant, he's a decently powerful elder vampire, while Divis Mal is basically Superman++ level of power.
2. Creed and Swarmlord? That's a bit of WTF pairing.
WH40K wins though. Pretty much entirely based on the Swarmlord. Creed is a really crap representative for WH40k, since his entire strength is in strategic and tactical planning, not 1 on 1 duels. At least under this set up he has somebody to boss around.
Rachel can transform into a grizzly bear. David can transform into a polar bear maybe? The Swarmlord can solo both without even using his boneswords.
3. Alan Moore
Kid Miracleman is another Superman+ figure, who dominates his team. Tom Strong is a smart and powerful pulpy action hero from a series about fun science heroes. Kid Miracleman is a metaphor for the Superhero as a god figure...
The transformers can not fight a creature that can level continents.
4. First sort of even fight.
I'd give it to the Arthurians. Arthur and the Green Knight both have supernatural invulnerability, which is enough to give them an edge. I could at least conceive of the other side winning though, which is more than can be said for the first three matches.
5. Pass.
6. Pass
7. Hum. Don't know. Ascended Mayor took a building exploding to down him. But beating up a big nasty monster seems within the capacities of the Chi Powered street fighters.
If it is unascended Mayor, then Richard Willikins and Giles will be knocked over and hog tied within a few minutes.
8. Star Wars if EU is allowed, where both Luke and Palpy are stupidly powerful.
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1.) Whitewolf fighters
2.) Warhammer fighters
3.) Tom Strong & Kid Miracleman
4.) King Arthur and the Green Knight - better teamwork, armor beats martial arts
5.) Aang and Koh: Terrain: Cavern complex. Koh has to sit this one out (or at best as a distraction) while Aang Earth-bends the terminators immobile.
6.) Castiel & Lucifer
7.) Giles & Ascended Mayor, but barely.
8.) Luke Skywalker and Palpatine
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King Arthur & Green Knight (Arthurian Legend) vs Splinter & Shredder (TMNT)
Aang & Koh the Facestealer (Avatar: the Last Airbender 'verse) vs T-800 & T-1000 (Terminator)
Ichigo & Aizen (Bleach) vs Castiel & Lucifer (Supernatural)
Rolo & Charles Vi Britannia (Code Geass) vs Luke Skywalker & Emperor Palpatine (Star Wars) - The Star Wars team has the advantage in a fight, but Rolo can freeze them allowing Charles to either shoot them, plus Charles's immortality makes the typical force powers useless. Additionally Luke and the Emperor aren't going to cooperate well where as Rolo and Charles were allies for most of the series.
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Originally Posted by
Sunken Valley
Some of you may have heard of the "twist" this royale would have. I am now at liberty to reveal it as....
Tag teams.
Yes, tag teams. The hero and villain joining forces to fight off similar pairings from other universes. The hero and villain will never "betray" each other, but their antagonism may affect their teamwork. Neither gets any assistance from anyone but their partner.
Knew it. :smallamused:
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Ripley & Ash (Aliens vs. Predator verse) vs Smiling Jack & Divis Mal (Whitewolf)
Rachel & David (Animorphs) vs Creed & Swarmlord (Warhammer 40k) - Earth animals + Hork-Bajir < 40K stuff
Tom Strong & Kid Miracleman (Alan Moore) vs Rhinox & Starscream (Transformers)
King Arthur & Green Knight (Arthurian Legend) vs Splinter & Shredder (TMNT)
Aang & Koh the Facestealer (Avatar: the Last Airbender 'verse) vs T-800 & T-1000 (Terminator) - if Aang is in the Avatar State he should be able to beat them easily
Ichigo & Aizen (Bleach) vs Castiel & Lucifer (Supernatural) - their combined level of hax and sword-lasers is almost unstoppable
Giles & Olvikan (Richard Wilkins) (Buffyverse) vs Ken Masters & Akuma (Street Fighter) - can't Akuma send people to hell by punching them or something?
Rolo & Charles Vi Britannia (Code Geass) vs Luke Skywalker & Emperor Palpatine (Star Wars) - this comes down to who acts first, which will probably be the guys with precognitive senses
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[B]Ripley & Ash (Aliens vs. Predator verse) vs Smiling Jack & Divis Mal (Whitewolf)
Rachel & David (Animorphs) vs Creed & Swarmlord (Warhammer 40k) though they could possibly morph into the Swarmlord. Doubt that they would survive the attempt though.
Tom Strong & Kid Miracleman (Alan Moore) vs[B] Rhinox & Starscream (Transformers)
King Arthur & Green Knight (Arthurian Legend) vs Splinter & Shredder (TMNT)
Aang & Koh the Facestealer (Avatar: the Last Airbender 'verse) vs T-800 & T-1000 (Terminator) BAM! Headshot
Ichigo & Aizen (Bleach) vs Castiel & Lucifer (Supernatural)
Giles & Olvikan (Richard Wilkins) (Buffyverse) vs Ken Masters & Akuma (Street Fighter)
Rolo & Charles Vi Britannia (Code Geass) vs Luke Skywalker & Emperor Palpatine (Star Wars) Rolo can freeze time and finish them off with his mech easily. Charles provides a good shield that is immortal and a good stratagest as well.
Votes due 20th November@ 9:00am. Please vote and debate.[/QUOTE]
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Forum Explorer
Ripley & Ash (Aliens vs. Predator verse) vs Smiling Jack & Divis Mal (Whitewolf)
Tom Strong & Kid Miracleman (Alan Moore) vs Rhinox & Starscream (Transformers)
Have you got any reason behind those votes?
Because Transformers and AvP both seem staggeringly outclassed. Both Divis Mal and Kid Miracleman are explorations of the theme of superhuman as deity and they have some impressive powers backing that up.
Do you need an explanation on the characters?
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Ripley & Ash (Aliens vs. Predator verse) vs Smiling Jack & Divis Mal (Whitewolf) -- pass, I know nothing about Whitewolf and Wikipedia is not helpful here.
Rachel & David (Animorphs) vs Creed & Swarmlord (Warhammer 40k) -- This... thing against kids who can turn into... what, bears? That's just wrong.
Tom Strong & Kid Miracleman (Alan Moore) vs Rhinox & Starscream (Transformers) -- Strong goes for coffee while Kid Miracleman rips out some robotic guts. Total curbstomp.
King Arthur & Green Knight (Arthurian Legend) vs Splinter & Shredder (TMNT) -- This is a fun one. I can see it going either way, but I'm giving the edge to the ninjas. The heavy armour of the knights would give them a severe mobility advantage, and that's the last thing you want when facing ninjas.
Aang & Koh the Facestealer (Avatar: the Last Airbender 'verse) vs T-800 & T-1000 (Terminator) -- I'm not sure on this one; are bender powers stronger than heavy modern firearms? Voting for the T's for now, but could be convinced otherwise.
Ichigo & Aizen (Bleach) vs Castiel & Lucifer (Supernatural) -- pass for now. How powerful is this particular Lucifer, anyway?
Giles & Olvikan (Richard Wilkins) (Buffyverse) vs Ken Masters & Akuma (Street Fighter) -- Giles gets beat handily. Not sure how strong Wilkins is as a demon, but I think Ken and Akuma can take him down. Hadouken!
Rolo & Charles Vi Britannia (Code Geass) vs Luke Skywalker & Emperor Palpatine (Star Wars) -- Rolo freezes them, tags in Charles to finish them off.
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zingbat
King Arthur & Green Knight (Arthurian Legend) vs Splinter & Shredder (TMNT) -- This is a fun one. I can see it going either way, but I'm giving the edge to the ninjas. The heavy armour of the knights would give them a severe mobility advantage, and that's the last thing you want when facing ninjas.
Aang & Koh the Facestealer (Avatar: the Last Airbender 'verse) vs T-800 & T-1000 (Terminator) -- I'm not sure on this one; are bender powers stronger than heavy modern firearms? Voting for the T's for now, but could be convinced otherwise.off.
Did you mean to vote for the knights?
Argument for Avatar - Earth bending makes a shield against firearms and more bending of basically any type is more than enough to immobilize, decapitate or freeze/melt the terminators, especially considering that they are not nearly agile enough to dodge any bending techniques.
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Ripley & Ash (Aliens vs. Predator verse) vs Smiling Jack & Divis Mal (Whitewolf)
Rachel & David (Animorphs) vs Creed & Swarmlord (Warhammer 40k)
Tom Strong & Kid Miracleman (Alan Moore) vs Rhinox & Starscream (Transformers)
King Arthur & Green Knight (Arthurian Legend) vs Splinter & Shredder (TMNT)
Aang & Koh the Facestealer (Avatar: the Last Airbender 'verse) vs T-800 & T-1000 (Terminator)
Ichigo & Aizen (Bleach) vs Castiel & Lucifer (Supernatural)
Giles & Olvikan (Richard Wilkins) (Buffyverse) vs Ken Masters & Akuma (Street Fighter)
Rolo & Charles Vi Britannia (Code Geass) vs Luke Skywalker & Emperor Palpatine (Star Wars)
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Selrahc
Have you got any reason behind those votes?
Because Transformers and AvP both seem staggeringly outclassed. Both Divis Mal and Kid Miracleman are explorations of the theme of superhuman as deity and they have some impressive powers backing that up.
Do you need an explanation on the characters?
yes please! When I don't know anything about one universe I vote for the one I'm familiar with.
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Istari
Did you mean to vote for the knights?
Nope. Corrected; thanks!
Still thinking on Avatar. Not convinced yet. :smallsmile:
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Skipping ones I don't know.
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Sunken Valley
Ripley & Ash (Aliens vs. Predator verse) vs Smiling Jack & Divis Mal (Whitewolf)
Ripley is a true Badass and Ash is a goddamn robot. Neither of them are elder vampires though, which renders this pretty much a none-contest.
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Rachel & David (Animorphs) vs Creed & Swarmlord (Warhammer 40k)
Swarmlord utterly massacres Rachel and David by himself. Adding Creed won't even make a difference.
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King Arthur & Green Knight (Arthurian Legend) vs Splinter & Shredder (TMNT)
Guys armed with blades and with some magical protection of death will probably beat the unarmoured all-too-mortal guys. The ninjas will probably give them a hard time, but it's still probably a knight's victory.
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Aang & Koh the Facestealer (Avatar: the Last Airbender 'verse) vs T-800 & T-1000 (Terminator)
I don't recall seeing Aang ever use fire hot enough to melt metal which probably puts the T-1000 outside of his capabilities. He also doesn't move fast enough to block bullets and as such will be taken out by the first shot. Koh is a bit of a problem as his combat powers aren't exactly well-defined. Note though that pitting him against too practically emotionless machines renders his face-stealing powers pretty much useless, and if he can be taken down by conventional weaponry the Terminators will probably be able to do it.
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Giles & Olvikan (Richard Wilkins) (Buffyverse) vs Ken Masters & Akuma (Street Fighter)
Not voting this one yet as I don't know what Ken and Akuma's damage output is. If they can blow-up a building in a hit (individually or as a combined attack) then they'll probably win. If they can't then Olvikan is going to give them more than a few problems.
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Again pointing out for the avatar battle that Aang has the ability to put up rock shields to block bullets or wear rock/crystal armor which would probably also block some bullets. Also especially given the cavern battlefield Aang can easily just collapse a tunnel on their heads to take out the T-800 and assuming the T-1000 can escape that and Aang's fire isn't hot enough to melt him (possible), he can freeze him solid, which he can't get out of.
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Mr.Silver
Guys armed with blades and with some magical protection of death will probably beat the unarmed all-too-mortal guys. The ninjas will probably give them a hard time, but it's still probably a knight's victory.
Shredder wears bladed armour and uses many different martial arts weapons. Splinter trained the turtles to use their weapons. Why assume they came to this fight unarmed?
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Can we assume for the purposes of this fight that Caledfwlch and Caladbolg are the same weapon? If they are, King Arthur blows up the battlefield. :smalltongue: If not, eh, it still "burns with the light of thirty torches".
Apart from that, Artie either can't die while he has his sheath or is very hard to kill. Meanwhile, the Green Knight can survive being decapitated. :smallamused:
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Prime32
Can we assume for the purposes of this fight that
Caledfwlch and
Caladbolg are the same weapon? If they are, King Arthur blows up the battlefield. :smalltongue: If not, eh, it still "burns with the light of thirty torches".
Apart from that, Artie either can't die while he has his sheath or is very hard to kill. Meanwhile, the Green Knight can survive being decapitated. :smallamused:
You think the Irish are going to let Arthur use their best sword? Forget it, pal. :smallbiggrin:
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Sunken Valley
Tag teams.
BAM! You hear that? That's my head exploding :smallamused: Makes for some amusing fights I guess. And heck, Willow and Evil Willow tagteaming their enemies? Think of the after battle victory celebration! ........................ Okay, okay, voting now...
King Arthur & Green Knight (Arthurian Legend) vs Splinter & Shredder (TMNT) - I think it's a balanced battle but I'll give the ninjas the edge due to their mobility.
Aang & Koh the Facestealer (Avatar: the Last Airbender 'verse) vs T-800 & T-1000 (Terminator) - Koh will be lazy in this on but Aang can just earth bend shield and then wreck enough havok on them. Given, neither fire nor wind will be too useful but some few ton rocks should do the job and then freeze them to a standstill.
Rolo & Charles Vi Britannia (Code Geass) vs Luke Skywalker & Emperor Palpatine (Star Wars) - I'll give to to Rolo and Charles. For all their force powers they have no superior defense to protect them from freezing/head shot combo. Also, Charles is hard to take out which I guess will be difficult later as well. Might be we got an end game team here.
Votes due 20th November@ 9:00am. Please vote and debate.[/QUOTE]
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zingbat
Shredder wears bladed armour and uses many different martial arts weapons. Splinter trained the turtles to use their weapons. Why assume they came to this fight unarmed?
Sorry, that should read unarmoured, I'll go and edit it now. Yes, I know Shredder wears some armour, but it doesn't exactly cover him well (particularly his limbs).
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Kato
Aang & Koh the Facestealer (Avatar: the Last Airbender 'verse) vs T-800 & T-1000 (Terminator) - Koh will be lazy in this on but Aang can just earth bend shield and then wreck enough havok on them. Given, neither fire nor wind will be too useful but some few ton rocks should do the job and then freeze them to a standstill.
How exactly is he going to wreck havok? The T-800 could potentially be taken-out by rocks, but it's still a hell of a lot more durable than a normal human and, as I previously mention, Aang simply cannot produce the temperatures required to pose any real threat to the T-1000 (hot or cold). Note also that both of them are far, far, stronger than any human and they will probably be armed with guns which could be blocked with an earth shield but that depends on Aang being able to shield before they pull the trigger as he doesn't possess superhuman reflexes. On top of this, the T-1000 is incredibly fast and can grow blades capable of shearing through metal. Toph maybe would win this through metal-bending, but Aang can't do that and therefore is pretty much screwed.
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Plus the T-800 does get to use things like RPGs and bazookas. A rock shield won't protect very well from that. Putting the fight in a cave actually benfits the Terminators because they need less light to see. That combined with their amazing targeting. The T-1000 pretty much can't be stopped by Aang at all so while the T-800 is battered the T-1000 can take out Aang.
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yes please! When I don't know anything about one universe I vote for the one I'm familiar with.
Smiling Jack: Anarch at Large
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Smiling Jack was born in the 1600's, and embraced as a member of the Brujah clan. He spent his early years as a pirate. In the Final Nights of the Masquerade, Jack was a legend. The embodiment of the Anarch ideals. He took crap from nobody, helped those who needed it, lived large and kicked ass.
Jack has an unassuming appearance, looking more like a street hobo than an ancient predator. Despite this though, his powers are impressive. Jack is an elder of the Brujah renowned for his knowledge of
Potence and
Celerity, as well as for being tougher than old boots. Jack eschews the mental disciplines of the vampires in favour of being a super strong, super fast, super tough BAMF.
But while being a Vampire may let you tank shotgun blasts and heal in the blink of an eye, it also carries significant weaknesses. Fire and Sunlight cause intense damage, and weapons of extreme faith can also be particularly useful.
TLDR: Super fast, super tough, super strong vampire with centuries of experience.
Divis Mal: Terrible Angel
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Born at the turn of the twentieth century,
Divis Mal was present at the "Hammersmith" incident in 1922. The incident turned him into something beyond human.. the first of a new breed of creatures known as "Novas". His early life was spent adventuring with the Aeon society, defeating larger than life villains and crazy schemes. By the 40's however his incredible powers and arrogance had formed a wedge between the society and Divis Mal. His oldest friends turned on him in a battle that sent him into hiding for another 50 years. Worse, it alienated his one beloved, the time traveller Max Mercer.
By the 1990's Divis Mal had completed his master plan. Humanity was obsolete, he would create the new gods. Other beings like himself. He flooded the world with Quantum energy and acted as the shepherd to the new generation of Novas that emerged.
Divis Mal was incredibly powerful. His quantum energies had pushed him beyond human in every conceivable manner. His mind was smarter than the greatest of humanity, his charisma was enough to sway nations, and his physical prowess was enough to shake continents. Beyond that, he had incredible powers, he could create energy fields out of startling green plasma, fly faster than sound, freeze opponents in stasis. With effort and time, he could do almost anything. While the new Novas played the part of Superheroes, Divis Mal knew that they were truly becoming gods.
EDIT: Divis Mal has a thing about free choice. He doesn't kill unless it's really necessary, he hates overriding the wills of others and he will happily engage in debate rather than combat. Smiling Jack may actually primarily be helpful to keep him focussed.
TLDR: Incredible superstrength, toughness, speed. The generation of plasma storms capable of levelling cities. Variety of powers manipulating energy. Incredible mental acumen.
Tom Strong: Science Hero
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Tom Strong was born at the dawn of the twentieth century. He was placed in a high gravity chamber by his parents, and fed upon a rare tropical herb. The end result was to give him a superhuman physique and incredible longevity. Tom's major power though is his formidable intellect. Raised in the best scientific traditions, Tom has used his mind to tackle problems that seemed insoluble for the best part of a century. With his family behind him, his years of experience and his incredible mind Tom has handled foes as diverse as Alien Ants, Living Planets, Invaders from Beyond Time and Extradimensional Attackers.
TLDR: Superstrong. Very smart and experienced. Uses gadgets.
Kid Miracleman: A God Alone
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Kid Miracleman was the child sidekick of Miracleman. But while Miracleman vanished in the fifties, Kid Miracleman remained. He grew and matured. His already formidable strength and power became still greater. His mind however became twisted and warped by decades of being the only god in a world of mortals.
When Miracleman reemerged, that drove Kid Miracleman beyond the edge. He went on a rampage, killing millions. It took an alliance of half a dozen superheroes to bring him down.
Kid Miracleman has all the powers and abilities of Miracleman. He can fly at incredible speeds, generate forcefields and shoot energy blasts. His mental faculties are beyond human, capable of perceiving things on a level above and beyond humanity. This causes a perception of godhood.
TLDR: Incredible superspeed, super strength, telepathy, energy generation, flight.
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Istari
Again pointing out for the avatar battle that Aang has the ability to put up rock shields to block bullets or wear rock/crystal armor which would probably also block some bullets.
Problem 1: if you're pitting human reflex versus bullets then bullets are going to win. Every time. Especially is the guy facing them has never seen a gun before. Terminators are also incredibly good shots.
Problem 2: Explosive weaponry is not exactly unknown to the T-800. The T-1000 can probably dismantle a rock shield/armour 'naked'.
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Also especially given the cavern battlefield Aang can easily just collapse a tunnel on their heads to take out the T-800
This could probably work on the T-800. The problem is that Aang is unlikely to resort to this kind of attack as an opening move, given that he dislikes overkill and is unlikely to know what a robot is, so there's a fair chance he'll get shot before he pulls this off (low-light conditions help the Terminators far more than they help him).
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and assuming the T-1000 can escape that
It walked away from crashing a speeding juggernaut into a concrete piller and the subsequent explosion undamaged. A cave-in might slow it down but that's probably all.
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and Aang's fire isn't hot enough to melt him (possible),
We are talking temperatures of over 1,000 Celsius here. Firebending has never been shown to do that in a single attack. Maybe if you took a long time and concentrated effort, but you won't get that in a fight.
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he can freeze him solid
Just a reminder, it took being doused in liquid nitrogen (which is around -200 Celsius in temperature) to freeze the T-1000 solid. So again, odds of this actually happening are pretty remote.
Point being, Aang could possibly take-out the T-800 - he'd still probably lose that fight, but it is within his capacity to win if luck's with him. The T-1000 though is well beyond his abilities and it will murder him, unless Koh can do anything to it which seems rather unlikely (given that Koh isn't really a combat entity and his face-stealing is worthless here).
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Selrahc
Kid Miracleman: A God Alone
TLDR: Incredible superspeed, super strength, telepathy, energy generation, flight.
Also, he's a murderous psychopath. That may be of note. Tom Strong is probably questioning his choice of partner...
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Prime32
Apart from that, Artie either can't die while he has his sheath or is very hard to kill. Meanwhile, the Green Knight can survive being decapitated. :smallamused:
True, but they don't have to be killed. Knocking them out or incapacitating them in some way is enough for the win.
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Also, I'm sticking with the Terminators. Aang might have a chance against just the T-800, but I don't think he can do anything against the T-1000.
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Forum Explorer
Plus the T-800 does get to use things like RPGs and bazookas. A rock shield won't protect very well from that. Putting the fight in a cave actually benfits the Terminators because they need less light to see. That combined with their amazing targeting. The T-1000 pretty much can't be stopped by Aang at all so while the T-800 is battered the T-1000 can take out Aang.
Okay, I suppose we won't agree on the other points, but Aang does have a less potent version of Toph's tremorsense, so he has superior vision to the terminators.
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So... I guess there is something about the Avatar/Terminator battle we should consider. What weaponry do we make available? Neither Terminator can create weapons, that are not blades or the like. I guess you could argue T-1000 could just create a piercing weapon to reach Aang but then that wouldn't be nearly on the level of a normal gun in speed (and probably not power)
Anyway, if we give them guns it is I guess slightly unfair against a far technologically disadvantaged opponent who wouldn't even consider it might be a threat. But that's like a matter of any battle where the opponents are not from the real world. They don't know each other capabilities. And that means the more advanced enemy will win, unless the other is a cheating bastard. And for the sake of the argument I'll say Aang realizes the danger of a gun pointed at him.
Stand to reason the matter of the T-1000. We know very little about Aang' range of abilities or its resilience to heat/cold. He might just liquidify (is that even a word?) out of a landslide but if he gets shot with fire long enough that might be enough to take him out... or he might be rendered useless if trapped in suffiecent rock, who knows? Of course, Aang is not certain to win but I'll give him the chance of a doubt.
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Istari
Okay, I suppose we won't agree on the other points, but Aang does have a less potent version of Toph's tremorsense, so he has superior vision to the terminators.
Didn't know that. So that helps a little. Regarding the new information about them vampires and those weird superheroes/villian
Ok the Vampires definatly got this but it would be one awesome fight since Riply gets her powersuit or her awesome gun/flamethrower
I would actually give the fight to the transformers but Starscream is so incompetant he would actually make Rhionex do worse then normal. And it would be a close fight normally.
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Just a reminder, it took being doused in liquid nitrogen (which is around -200 Celsius in temperature) to freeze the T-1000 solid. So again, odds of this actually happening are pretty remote.
After looking up the scene, he froze after being doused in liquid nitrogen, not necessarily the minimum temperature required to do so, and all he really needs to do is encase him in ice, which has been shown to be possible, and since the T-1000 can only recover once its unfrozen (never if Aang stays there), it qualifies as a knockout.
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Ok the Vampires definatly got this but it would be one awesome fight since Riply gets her powersuit or her awesome gun/flamethrower
I could see a fight between Ripley and Jack being interesting. I think ultimately he would be too fast for her, and would end up ripping her powersuit to pieces, bit by bit. Or dive onto Ripley and knock her out, since the powerlifter doesn't cover her in armour. If she *could* get him in her lifting claws or hit him with the flamethrower however, things would go badly for Jack...
Divis Mal kind of trivializes matters though. :/
Nothing the power suit can do would hurt him in the slightest, while he could easily disintegrate it into atoms with a gesture. Or more likely, drain all the power from it, then lift Ripley out of the machine in a bubble of energy leaving her unharmed.
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Ripley & Ash (Aliens vs. Predator verse) vs Smiling Jack & Divis Mal (Whitewolf) - pass
Rachel & David (Animorphs) vs Creed & Swarmlord (Warhammer 40k) WH40k
Tom Strong & Kid Miracleman (Alan Moore) vs Rhinox & Starscream (Transformers) pass
King Arthur & Green Knight (Arthurian Legend) vs Splinter & Shredder (TMNT) TMNT
Aang & Koh the Facestealer (Avatar: the Last Airbender 'verse) vs T-800 & T-1000 (Terminator) Terminator
Ichigo & Aizen (Bleach) vs Castiel & Lucifer (Supernatural) pass, I do not know what this supernatural is. Bleach is shonen though, so y'know.
Giles & Olvikan (Richard Wilkins) (Buffyverse) vs Ken Masters & Akuma (Street Fighter) Pass
Rolo & Charles Vi Britannia (Code Geass) vs Luke Skywalker & Emperor Palpatine (Star Wars) Code Geass. Time stop.
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Kato
So... I guess there is something about the Avatar/Terminator battle we should consider. What weaponry do we make available? Neither Terminator can create weapons, that are not blades or the like. I guess you could argue T-1000 could just create a piercing weapon to reach Aang but then that wouldn't be nearly on the level of a normal gun in speed (and probably not power)
Bear in mind the T-1000 has one hell of running speed, plus his camouflage abilities, so range even if he's stuck in melee it's not a big problem. Note that the fact this is an underground fight limits Aang's abilities to just fly away. T-800 will almost certainly be packing a shotgun in addition to any other side-arms and maybe some explosives. T-1000 doesn't really have a standard load-out, although for most of the film he's usually packing less than that, probably one or two small arms.
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Anyway, if we give them guns it is I guess slightly unfair against a far technologically disadvantaged opponent who wouldn't even consider it might be a threat.
I don't think these pairings are based much around fair fights:smalltongue:
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But that's like a matter of any battle where the opponents are not from the real world. They don't know each other capabilities. And that means the more advanced enemy will win, unless the other is a cheating bastard. And for the sake of the argument I'll say Aang realizes the danger of a gun pointed at him.
Granted, but then you're still left with the fact that Aang's reflexes are normal speed. Bullets aren't known for being easy to dodge, and Terminators are ridiculously good shots.
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Stand to reason the matter of the T-1000. We know very little about Aang' range of abilities
You mean excluding the countless times he fights and otherwise demonstrates his powers in the series? :smallconfused:
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He might just liquidify (is that even a word?) out of a landslide but if he gets shot with fire long enough that might be enough to take him out...
Yeah, but we're talking about quite a lot of time here, assuming the heat generated by firebending is even enough to melt the T-1000 (again, note that said machine has walked out of an actual fireball without any noticeable ill-effects).
Also, as I previously mentioned, Aang does not generally go for the extreme measure first thing in a fight so I don't think we can assume he'll be collapsing the cave as an opener . Which means he's a lot more likely to get shot.
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or he might be rendered useless if trapped in suffiecent rock, who knows? Of course, Aang is not certain to win but I'll give him the chance of a doubt.
So, if Aang has >0% chance of winning then we might as well assume he'll win? Is that your point here? Because short of dropping the T-1000 into a convenient pool of lava Aang really doesn't have any real chance beyond getting extremely lucky.
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After looking up the scene, he froze after being doused in liquid nitrogen, not necessarily the minimum temperature required to do so, and all he really needs to do is encase him in ice,
The problem here is that your second assertion doesn't follow-on from the first. While it's true that the liquid nitrogen may not be the necessarily the minimum temperature needed (it would have pretty much the same effect on a human, after all), you can't just arbitrarily declare that the same result can be achieved by just encasing the T-1000 in ice, particularly when this isn't even fatal to humans in the Airbender verse.
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which has been shown to be possible, and since the T-1000 can only recover once its unfrozen (never if Aang stays there), it qualifies as a knockout.
I suspect a superhumanly strong robot capable of altering it's own shape into blades and picks just might be able to break out of an ice prison.
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I agree with you that the T-1000 could break out if his whole body was trapped in ice, but if Aang freezes the individual pieces that come out of the rock slide, I doubt those have enough force to break out.
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True, but they don't have to be killed. Knocking them out or incapacitating them in some way is enough for the win.
Arthur has defeated armies of thousands of men single-handedly. I'm sure I've heard Splinter and Shredder shout "There's too many of them!" on multiple occasions.
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I would actually give the fight to the transformers but Starscream is so incompetant he would actually make Rhionex do worse then normal. And it would be a close fight normally.
As I said last time Starscream came up, it depends heavily on the incarnation of Starscream we're talking about. One fought evenly against a planet.
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Arthur has defeated armies of thousands of men single-handedly. I'm sure I've heard Splinter and Shredder shout "There's too many of them!" on multiple occasions.
Bah, that's just bad Arthurian fanfic. :smallbiggrin:
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I'm not familiar with that particular version of Transformers, but Super Starscream looks like a one-shot power-up, and thus wouldn't count. And even if it did, I'd still wager that Kid Mircleman would tear him apart.
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Arthur and the green knight are strong guys with swords. Splinter and Shredder are ninjas (even though they seemingly never sneak around anywhere).
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Ripley & Ash (Aliens vs. Predator verse) vs Smiling Jack & Divis Mal (Whitewolf) -- With high Celerity Jack probably could kill them himself. Divis Mal just makes the matchup pointless.
Rachel & David (Animorphs) vs Creed & Swarmlord (Warhammer 40k) I hear WH40K is pretty OP.
Tom Strong & Kid Miracleman (Alan Moore) vs Rhinox & Starscream (Transformers) -- Kid Miracleman again seems too absurdly powerful.
King Arthur & Green Knight (Arthurian Legend) vs Splinter & Shredder (TMNT) -- I think the mystical invincible knights are a bit more of a match for two random ninjas. The only saving grace might be Shredder since he did always have a TON of technology. I don't know what his strongest was though, so the knights keep it for now.
Aang & Koh the Facestealer (Avatar: the Last Airbender 'verse) vs T-800 & T-1000 (Terminator) -- Don't think Aang's fire is hot enough to kill the T1000. And if they have any firearms, the Avatar people are probably screwed.
Ichigo & Aizen (Bleach) vs Castiel & Lucifer (Supernatural) - Pass, don't know the universes.
Giles & Olvikan (Richard Wilkins) (Buffyverse) vs Ken Masters & Akuma (Street Fighter) -- I think the street fighters have enough power to blow up the ascended Mayor. Giles is just kind of an addon.
Rolo & Charles Vi Britannia (Code Geass) vs Luke Skywalker & Emperor Palpatine (Star Wars) -- Papatine and Luke, in the EU are absurdly powerful. I suppose if EU is not being used I would have to reconsider this one.
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I don't think these pairings are based much around fair fights:smalltongue:
But I like fair fights :smallsmile:
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You mean excluding the countless times he fights and otherwise demonstrates his powers in the series? :smallconfused:
I mean nobody ever applied a thermometer to the fire or ice he created. We know he can freeze water. Water is frozen at 100K and at 200K and at 250K (and up to 273K, iirc. So we have no idea how cold he can make it, or how hot the fore can be since we never as fasr as I can recall saw him use high degree fire bending ( he only fought human opponents for the most part and 'cold' fire is more than enough to deal with them)
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Yeah, but we're talking about quite a lot of time here, assuming the heat generated by firebending is even enough to melt the T-1000 (again, note that said machine has walked out of an actual fireball without any noticeable ill-effects).
It being a fireball doesn't mean it's extensively hot. :smallwink:
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So, if Aang has >0% chance of winning then we might as well assume he'll win? Is that your point here? Because short of dropping the T-1000 into a convenient pool of lava Aang really doesn't have any real chance beyond getting extremely lucky.
No, I'm saying both teams have a chance to win, and to me none is the clear winner since I estimate their abilites more evenly even though I might be wrong. I'll stick with Aang, sorry.
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The problem here is that your second assertion doesn't follow-on from the first. While it's true that the liquid nitrogen may not be the necessarily the minimum temperature needed (it would have pretty much the same effect on a human, after all), you can't just arbitrarily declare that the same result can be achieved by just encasing the T-1000 in ice, particularly when this isn't even fatal to humans in the Airbender verse.
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We know very little about the T-1000 technology. He might just be vulnerable to getting short circuited under the right conditions :smalltongue: I'm too lazy to check the movie but didn't it need to be thawed to regain from the freezing? So he is basically KOd for a while?
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I mean nobody ever applied a thermometer to the fire or ice he created. We know he can freeze water. Water is frozen at 100K and at 200K and at 250K (and up to 273K, iirc. So we have no idea how cold he can make it,or how hot the fore can be since we never as fasr as I can recall saw him use high degree fire bending ( he only fought human opponents for the most part and 'cold' fire is more than enough to deal with them)
At no point though was anyone seriously injured by the cold of an ice attack (let alone killed by it). People also frequently take blasts of fire-bending and walk it off. Temperatures on that scale are not going to cut it against the T-1000 (which, need I remind you, is designed to be really hard to kill). Experienced benders may be able to push the temperature ranges further, but this is very seldom seen in combat (even assuming it doesn't require group of benders working as a team to push this into threatening ranges). Note that the Fire Nation still seems to use forges, which suggests that fire-bending alone isn't quite enough for melting metals.
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It being a fireball doesn't mean it's extensively hot. :smallwink:
No, but fire-bending has never demonstrated being much hotter than a standard fireball.
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No, I'm saying both teams have a chance to win, and to me none is the clear winner since I estimate their abilites more evenly even though I might be wrong.
What are you basing this estimation on, exactly? Because you've still yet to provide any real reason to assume that Aang, short of knocking it into a volcano, has the ability to seriously damage or defeat the machine in question. Nor any reason to assume the Terminators won't just shoot him.
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We know very little about the T-1000 technology. He might just be vulnerable to getting short circuited under the right conditions :smalltongue:
We have no reason to assume this is the case though, particularly since the T-800 (who had pretty good knowledge of its capabilities) never mentioned it.
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I'm too lazy to check the movie but didn't it need to be thawed to regain from the freezing? So he is basically KOd for a while?
You mean after it was doused in liquid nitrogen and then shattered into fragments? Yes.
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Wow, media discussion sure is full this week.
Ripley & Ash (Aliens vs. Predator verse) vs Smiling Jack & Divis Mal (Whitewolf)
Rachel & David (Animorphs) vs Creed & Swarmlord (Warhammer 40k)Tom Strong & Kid Miracleman (Alan Moore) vs Rhinox & Starscream (Transformers) I think Starscream could probably take KM down.
King Arthur & Green Knight (Arthurian Legend) vs Splinter & Shredder (TMNT)
Aang & Koh the Facestealer (Avatar: the Last Airbender 'verse) vs T-800 & T-1000 (Terminator) Oh come on, Aang could easily take down the terminators. Aang fights armies of firebenders on a regular basis. Plus I think Oozai is tougher than the two terminators. The only reason Aang's losing out is because he does'nt have a bending buddy.
Ichigo & Aizen (Bleach) vs Castiel & Lucifer (Supernatural) Those two are practically immortal
Giles & Olvikan (Richard Wilkins) (Buffyverse) vs Ken Masters & Akuma (Street Fighter)
Rolo & Charles Vi Britannia (Code Geass) vs Luke Skywalker & Emperor Palpatine (Star Wars) Palpatine would probably destroy them, but not before they take out luke. Also, is charles stronger with his immortallity or something. Because I'd say a mind-raper who took out Lulu himself is much stronger than a powerless one. Immortallity isn't all it's cracked up to be in CG because doesn't charles die? Don't watch CG though
Thank you Selrach for your bios. They are helpful to everyone.
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Tom Strong & Kid Miracleman (Alan Moore) vs Rhinox & Starscream (Transformers) I think Starscream could probably take KM down.
Um... how? I honestly can't think of any way that Starscream could to anything to Kid Miracleman. KM is able to hurl around hundreds of tons without breaking a sweat, move at superspeed and is invulnerable. What is Starscream going to do, whine at him until he wants to kill himself?
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Palpatine (Star Wars)[/B] Palpatine would probably destroy them, but not before they take out luke. Also, is charles stronger with his immortallity or something. Because I'd say a mind-raper who took out Lulu himself is much stronger than a powerless one. Immortallity isn't all it's cracked up to be in CG because doesn't charles die? Don't watch CG though
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Charles has two power states. One with memory modifying powers, and the other with immortality. Charles actually ended up getting erased from existence.
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Sunken Valley
Wow, media discussion sure is full this week.
Ripley & Ash (Aliens vs. Predator verse) vs Smiling Jack & Divis Mal (Whitewolf)
Rachel & David (Animorphs) vs Creed & Swarmlord (Warhammer 40k)Tom Strong & Kid Miracleman (Alan Moore) vs Rhinox & Starscream (Transformers) I think Starscream could probably take KM down.
King Arthur & Green Knight (Arthurian Legend) vs Splinter & Shredder (TMNT)
Aang & Koh the Facestealer (Avatar: the Last Airbender 'verse) vs T-800 & T-1000 (Terminator) Oh come on, Aang could easily take down the terminators. Aang fights armies of firebenders on a regular basis. Plus I think Oozai is tougher than the two terminators. The only reason Aang's losing out is because he does'nt have a bending buddy.
Ichigo & Aizen (Bleach) vs Castiel & Lucifer (Supernatural) Those two are practically immortal
Giles & Olvikan (Richard Wilkins) (Buffyverse) vs Ken Masters & Akuma (Street Fighter)
Rolo & Charles Vi Britannia (Code Geass) vs Luke Skywalker & Emperor Palpatine (Star Wars) Palpatine would probably destroy them, but not before they take out luke. Also, is charles stronger with his immortallity or something. Because I'd say a mind-raper who took out Lulu himself is much stronger than a powerless one. Immortallity isn't all it's cracked up to be in CG because doesn't charles die? Don't watch CG though
Thank you Selrach for your bios. They are helpful to everyone.
How is Oozai tougher then a terminator? I read his wiki entry and nothing suggested that he could take more abuse then any other human.
Also Charles does 'die' afby being erased by god. Prior to that he shot himself in the head to prove a point. Someone with similar immortality was burned at the stake and survived. Shot many times and was said to be able to be chopped up into many bits and shipped off and still survive.
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Results are finally in!
Smiling Jack & Divis Mal (Whitewolf) 4-1 80%
Creed & Swarmlord (Warhammer 40k) 9-0 100%
Tom Strong & Kid Miracleman (Alan Moore) 5-3 62.5%
King Arthur & Green Knight (Arthurian Legend) 8-3 72.7%
tie
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Giles & Olvikan (Richard Wilkins) (Buffyverse) vs Ken Masters & Akuma (Street Fighter) 3-1 75%
Rolo & Charles Vi Britannia (Code Geass) 6-5 54.5%
Next set!
Round 1 week 2 of 4
Roland & Randall Flagg (Dark Tower) vs Data & Khan (Star Trek)
Martian Manhunter & Doomsday (DC Universe) vs Jack O’Neil & Ba’al (Star Gate)
Alphamon & D-Reaper (Digimon) vs Siegfried & Astaroth (Soul Caliber)
Cohen the Barbarian & Mr White (Discworld) vs Sonic & Dr Eggman (Sonic)
Genie & Maleficent (Disney Animated Canon) vs John Snow & Jaime Lannister (Song of Ice and Fire)
Jack Harkness & Dalek (Doctor Who) vs Jill Valentine & Albert Wesker (Resident Evil)
Dr McNinja & Dracula (Dr McNinja) vs Articuno & Mewtwo (Pokemon)
Morrigan & Flemeth (Dragon Age) vs Jack Sparrow & Davy Jones
Tiebreakers
Aang & Koh the Facestealer (Avatar: the Last Airbender 'verse) vs T-800 & T-1000 (Terminator)
Ichigo & Aizen (Bleach) vs Castiel & Lucifer (Supernatural)
Votes due 27th November @9:00am. Please vote and debate.
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Two ties on the first round, wow.
Passes on all thngs I don't vote for due to lacking knowledge (duh)
Martian Manhunter & Doomsday (DC Universe) vs Jack O’Neil & Ba’al (Star Gate) - Okay, I know little on DC but... I'm afraid Stargate cre is overpowered here.
Cohen the Barbarian & Mr White (Discworld) vs Sonic & Dr Eggman (Sonic) - Hm... I think both Sonix characters just can't stand up to Cohen. White is unneeded.
Genie & Maleficent (Disney Animated Canon) vs John Snow & Jaime Lannister (Song of Ice and Fire) - Aw man, what a tag team ASOIAF brings up. But against magic power on such a level... I don't see themw inning. Too bad.
Jack Harkness & Dalek (Doctor Who) vs Jill Valentine & Albert Wesker (Resident Evil) - Easy. Jack 'dsitracts' Jill while the Dalek kills anything that is not a Dalek/immortal.
Morrigan & Flemeth (Dragon Age) vs Jack Sparrow & Davy Jones - Much more magic power on DA's side... EVen if Jack could trick Morrigan I don't see him winning Flemeth over in any way.
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Roland & Randall Flagg (Dark Tower) vs Data & Khan (Star Trek)
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Flagg is a powerful sorceror. Roland is an incredible gunfighter with magical superguns. Star Trek is overmatched. It's certainly arguable. Data and Khan are both impressive, but I would have to give the edge to the Gunslinger and his foe.
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Martian Manhunter & Doomsday (DC Universe) vs Jack O’Neil & Ba’al (Star Gate)
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This should be an easy win for DC. Two incredibly powerful fighters, against two people closer to human than anything.
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Alphamon & D-Reaper (Digimon) vs Siegfried & Astaroth (Soul Caliber)
I'm fairly sure Digimon has the edge. Astaroth is a powerful golem with a big axe. Siegfried is a skilled and strong knight wielding a magical weapon. Digimon is a step beyond them in the power scale.
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Cohen the Barbarian & Mr White (Discworld) vs Sonic & Dr Eggman (Sonic)
I'm really disappointed in the Discworld crop. Mr White in particular.. has no powers, skills or abilities at all. He is an absolutely average human, recently incarnated and thus with no real skills. In fact I'd argue that he falls under "Too Weak".
Cohen is competent enough, and he'll bring in all the "Hero Code" discussion that might net some victories.. but at the end of the day he is an 80+ year old human with non-magical weaponry. Even with the backing of the lady herself, I can't see him logically winning many matches. Particularly against other heroes.
Given Granny(Esme) Weatherwax and one of the more powerful villains, Discworld could have been a real contender. As it is, I think it's honestly a tossup as to whether the not exactly exceptional Sonic-Verse will win. Mr White brings nothing, and while Cohen could beat the villainous Robotnik easily enough, he'd have a harder time against the super fast speedball.
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Genie & Maleficent (Disney Animated Canon) vs John Snow & Jaime Lannister (Song of Ice and Fire)
Hum. Genie? Really? I suppose the obvious interpretation is that Maleficent is his master, and defeating her wins it for the team. Which I can kind of see some teams doing...
Disney definitely wins this one though. The powerful sorceress capable of turning into a dragon has great odds even without a nigh-omnipotent magical spirit for backup.
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Jack Harkness & Dalek (Doctor Who) vs Jill Valentine & Albert Wesker (Resident Evil)
Doctor Who has an immortal skilled guy with a gun, and an almost unkillable engine of destruction. Resident Evil has 2 skilled people with guns.
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Dr McNinja & Dracula (Dr McNinja) vs Articuno & Mewtwo (Pokemon)
Pokemon wins. Round 1 at least. I'm sure McNinja would rebound from his defeat and come back and win later...
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Morrigan & Flemeth (Dragon Age) vs Jack Sparrow & Davy Jones
Well I don't know much about Dragon Age, but I know who Flemeth is. So I'm voting for the powerful dragon lady witch, to beat the squid man and the pirate. Dragon Age
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Genie & Maleficent (Disney Animated Canon) vs John Snow & Jaime Lannister (Song of Ice and Fire)
Jack Harkness & Dalek (Doctor Who) vs Jill Valentine & Albert Wesker (Resident Evil)
Dr McNinja & Dracula (Dr McNinja) vs Articuno & Mewtwo (Pokemon)
Morrigan & Flemeth (Dragon Age) vs Jack Sparrow & Davy Jones
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-Roland & Randall Flagg (Dark Tower) vs Data & Khan (Star Trek) [/
I only have a fairly basic knowledge about these guys (save Khan) but I'm inclined to give it to the magical guys who can cross dimensions.
- Martian Manhunter & Doomsday (DC Universe) vs Jack O’Neil & Ba’al (Star Gate)
I know nothing about Stargate so pass. I'd be surprised if either of the Star Gate guys could take Doomsday though.
-Alphamon & D-Reaper (Digimon) vs Siegfried & Astaroth (Soul Caliber)
Pass.
- Cohen the Barbarian & Mr White (Discworld) vs Sonic & Dr Eggman (Sonic)
Depending on whether The Last Hero is canon, it may not be mortally possible to kill Cohen at all. Mr White is largely a non-factor (save possibly as a human shield) but Sonic isn't particularly known for lethal force, whereas Cohen definitely is. He's also genre-savvy enough to exploit the Hedghog's tendency to show-off and stop to make taunts. Eggman may be able to beat him, depending on what robots he brings, but if he can survive the Dr's initial attacks I doubt he'll struggle to exploit the inevitable weakpoints in Eggman's creations. I could definitely be persuaded otherwise though.
- Genie & Maleficent (Disney Animated Canon) vs John Snow & Jaime Lannister (Song of Ice and Fire)
The Disney side consists of a nigh-omnipotent magical spirit and a powerful sorceress. Curbstomp is not a strong enough term to describe how one-sided this is.
- Jack Harkness & Dalek (Doctor Who) vs Jill Valentine & Albert Wesker (Resident Evil)
Jack is immortal and Dalek's are so well armoured that they might as well be as far as team RE is concerned. The only real question here is whether Jack manages to seduce either of the opposing side before the Dalek kills them.
- Dr McNinja & Dracula (Dr McNinja) vs Articuno & Mewtwo (Pokemon)
Pass.
- Morrigan & Flemeth (Dragon Age) vs Jack Sparrow & Davy Jones
If Jones gets his ship and the Kraken, then maybe the POTC side could do it. Otherwise, I'm going for the two powerful witches, one of whom is also a dragon.
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Tiebreakers
Aang & Koh the Facestealer (Avatar: the Last Airbender 'verse) vs T-800 & T-1000 (Terminator)
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Have people just never seen Terminator 2 or something? Or is Aang just benefiting from the Fanboy Shield?
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Martian Manhunter & Doomsday (DC Universe) vs Jack O’Neil & Ba’al (Star Gate) - Okay, I know little on DC but... I'm afraid Stargate cre is overpowered here.
The Martian Manhunter has Superman level strength and toughness plus heat vision and super breath. He's also a very powerful telelpath. Does have a weakness to fire.
Doomsday is a nearly mindless engine of destruction. Beat Superman to death on their first encounter as well taking out the entire Justice League.
The Stargate guys are toast
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Round 1 week 2 of 4
Roland & Randall Flagg (Dark Tower) vs Data & Khan (Star Trek) those are some really powerful phasers and Data is really really tough
Martian Manhunter & Doomsday (DC Universe) vs Jack O’Neil & Ba’al (Star Gate) I don't think they could take down doomsday but I bet they could handle the Martian
Alphamon & D-Reaper (Digimon) vs Siegfried & Astaroth (Soul Caliber) Well if you count their most powerful as when they have soul edge then they are both immortal butchers who drain the souls of those who oppose them.
Cohen the Barbarian & Mr White (Discworld) vs Sonic & Dr Eggman (Sonic)
Genie & Maleficent (Disney Animated Canon) vs John Snow & Jaime Lannister (Song of Ice and Fire) Maleficent went down to an ordinary knight while I don't think Genie is actually capable of killing someone else and can be taken down by picking up his lamp.
Jack Harkness & Dalek (Doctor Who) vs Jill Valentine & Albert Wesker (Resident Evil) Jill Valentine is a fearless cop who is a crack shot and recently was genetically warped to be superhuman. Wesker is even better as he can flipping teleport and can take baths in molten lava.Okay they can't do anything about Jack really
Dr McNinja & Dracula (Dr McNinja) vs Articuno & Mewtwo (Pokemon)
Morrigan & Flemeth (Dragon Age) vs Jack Sparrow & Davy Jones
Aang & Koh the Facestealer (Avatar: the Last Airbender 'verse) vs T-800 & T-1000 (Terminator)
Ichigo & Aizen (Bleach) vs Castiel & Lucifer (Supernatural)
I'm surprised on the these ties. So who is Castiel and Lucifer anyways?
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Maleficent went down to an ordinary knight while I don't think Genie is actually capable of killing someone else and can be taken down by picking up his lamp.
An ordinary knight armed with a magic sword and a magic shield each specifically enchanted to counter her powers. Genie doesn't need to kill anyone, he can just take their weapons away, turn them into monkeys, teleport them to another continent or do pretty much anything else you can think of all before they get close enough to do make a grab for the lamp. The lamp which is being guarded by the powerful sorceress who can turn into a dragon at will. A teenager and a warrior aren't going to cut it here.
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Jill Valentine is a fearless cop who is a crack shot and recently was genetically warped to be superhuman. Wesker is even better as he can flipping teleport and can take baths in molten lava.
Daleks are essentially invulnerable to earth tech weaponry and their own weapons are pretty much a one-hit kill regardless of where they hit. They can also fly. Wesker might conceivably take more than one shot to bring down (if we're being generous) but he will be brought down eventually. Jack probably has Jill matched in accuracy (and definitely in terms of fearlessness) plus he can get up again after being killed.
My prediction would be Wesker attempts to beat-on the Dalek and while he's failing to win that, Jack and Jill - after some initial sparring, which may involve Jack getting 'killed' then standing up again - slip-away to resolve their inevitable sexual tension. Wesker eventually bites it, at which point Jill has the choice of either getting exterminated by an angry Dalek or electing to surrender. Either way, a net win for team DW
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Morrigan & Flemeth (Dragon Age) vs Jack Sparrow & Davy Jones
Please explain this. Morrigan alone has enough magic to paralyse/freeze/electrocute/put to seep/stun/generally incapacitate multiple enemies and can magically heal herself (including via life-drain). Flemeth can turn into a giant flying fire-breathing lizard at will (and presumably do a fair bit of the above). Your typical pistol of that time period was good for about one shot (which would at most annoy a dragon). Even if we grant Jones immortality due to his heart, it will take little to no effort on team DA's part to incapacitate him.
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From the 'Supernatural' TV series. Lucifer is Lucifer, first of the fallen, lord of hell, the Adversary, the Serpent, etc
Castiel was an arch-angel he may have recently become god
And seconding Mr Silvers comments on Jack and the Dalek and the genie and Maleficient
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Roland & Randall Flagg (Dark Tower) vs Data & Khan (Star Trek)
Martian Manhunter & Doomsday (DC Universe) vs Jack O’Neil & Ba’al (Star Gate)
Alphamon & D-Reaper (Digimon) vs Siegfried & Astaroth (Soul Caliber)
Cohen the Barbarian & Mr White (Discworld) vs Sonic & Dr Eggman (Sonic)
Genie & Maleficent (Disney Animated Canon) vs John Snow & Jaime Lannister (Song of Ice and Fire)
Jack Harkness & Dalek (Doctor Who) vs Jill Valentine & Albert Wesker (Resident Evil)
Dr McNinja & Dracula (Dr McNinja) vs Articuno & Mewtwo (Pokemon)
Morrigan & Flemeth (Dragon Age) vs Jack Sparrow & Davy Jones
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An ordinary knight armed with a magic sword and a magic shield each specifically enchanted to counter her powers. Genie doesn't need to kill anyone, he can just take their weapons away, turn them into monkeys, teleport them to another continent or do pretty much anything else you can think of all before they get close enough to do make a grab for the lamp. The lamp which is being guarded by the powerful sorceress who can turn into a dragon at will. A teenager and a warrior aren't going to cut it here.
Daleks are essentially invulnerable to earth tech weaponry and their own weapons are pretty much a one-hit kill regardless of where they hit. They can also fly. Wesker might conceivably take more than one shot to bring down (if we're being generous) but he will be brought down eventually. Jack probably has Jill matched in accuracy (and definitely in terms of fearlessness) plus he can get up again after being killed.
My prediction would be Wesker attempts to beat-on the Dalek and while he's failing to win that, Jack and Jill - after some initial sparring, which may involve Jack getting 'killed' then standing up again - slip-away to resolve their inevitable sexual tension. Wesker eventually bites it, at which point Jill has the choice of either getting exterminated by an angry Dalek or electing to surrender. Either way, a net win for team DW
Please explain this. Morrigan alone has enough magic to paralyse/freeze/electrocute/put to seep/stun/generally incapacitate multiple enemies and can magically heal herself (including via life-drain). Flemeth can turn into a giant flying fire-breathing lizard at will (and presumably do a fair bit of the above). Your typical pistol of that time period was good for about one shot (which would at most annoy a dragon). Even if we grant Jones immortality due to his heart, it will take little to no effort on team DA's part to incapacitate him.
Because the two of them are both highly skilled swordsman and tactictians as well as they get Jon's Dire Wolf. Plus Maelficant suffers from Diesny Villan Syndrome (considering she's a deisny villian :smalltongue:) One or both of them can distract the dragon even killing her with cleverness while the wolf snags the lamp which takes out genie. At the same time Jamine just out talks genie who won't act really without orders which Maelficant can't give in dragon form. Sure its definatly not a sure thing but I just feel that Jamie and Jon would win more often then not
Daleks are immune to our Earth's weaponry. Wesker carries around some nasty bioweapons that can transform any human into a ravening monster. Not sure who Jack is but he could easily end up infected and attacking the Dalek.
Ok the last one is just for fun. Though actually depending on the latest movie Jack might be able to win this with Davy Jones help. Plus he can summon the Kraken.
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Genie doesn't have any magic lamp vulnerability though. At his most powerful, he was freed by Aladdin, so good luck dealing with him without that weakness.
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Daleks are immune to our Earth's weaponry. Wesker carries around some nasty bioweapons that can transform any human into a ravening monster. Not sure who Jack is but he could easily end up infected and attacking the Dalek.
Not sure bioweapons that affect humans would have any effect on a Dalek's alien DNA and that's assuming there armour isn't protected against such attacks.
The nature of Jack's curse would probably eliminate such attacks in short order.
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Genie doesn't have any magic lamp vulnerability though. At his most powerful, he was freed by Aladdin, so good luck dealing with him without that weakness.
He lost a lot of his power when he was freed (still incredibly powerful though) so while he might be more effective as a free genie he was more powerful as a slave to the lamp.
As for Jack all I could find on his abilities is that he would come back from the dead every time he died. Since the ooberu virus doesn't actually kill its victems it should work on him. The transformation would enable Jack and compel him to kill his Darlek companion who would admitally would be pretty hard to infect. Still Wesker and Jill are capable of shooting that eye stalk to blind the Darlek and putting their fight in an abandoned mansion (the one from the first game but zombie free) would give them plenty of hiding places to avoid the Darlek.
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On the digimon thing. The two in question are two I don't know. But I do know the Soul Caliber characters. They're mildly superhuman, have nice weapons, and are skilled. Just reading the wiki page for the digimon characters shows how outclassed they are. D-reaper is the size of a city, and Alphamon is some sort of 30 foot tall god, who does some sort of timefreeze/infinite attacks thing.(honestly, the page was unclear). How are the Soul Caliber characters going to fight that?
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Genie doesn't have any magic lamp vulnerability though. At his most powerful, he was freed by Aladdin, so good luck dealing with him without that weakness.
He was much "weaker" when released from the lamp. As amply demonstrated by Jafar. Although really, without that weakness he doesn't belong in the contest at all, being just as unbeatable as the likes of Dream and Manhattan.
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Roland & Randall Flagg (Dark Tower) vs Data & Khan (Star Trek) those are some really powerful phasers and Data is really really tough
Roland's (magical) heavy calibre guns blast robots apart with ease. Data's toughness is irrelevant.
What matters is speed, skill and combat awareness. Roland has all the other fighters beaten in that. And Flagg isn't really playing the same game at all.
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As for Jack all I could find on his abilities is that he would come back from the dead every time he died. Since the ooberu virus doesn't actually kill its victems it should work on him. The transformation would enable Jack and compel him to kill his Darlek companion who would admitally would be pretty hard to infect. Still Wesker and Jill are capable of shooting that eye stalk to blind the Darlek and putting their fight in an abandoned mansion (the one from the first game but zombie free) would give them plenty of hiding places to avoid the Darlek.
Not exactly. Jack is a 'fixed point in time', meaning he will always return to the form he had when he was cursed. While this most often manifests as returning to life, any other major changes will also vanish as he resumes the fotm he had when we was cursed.
Also Daleks figured out their eye-stalks were vulnerable, so they use force-fields too
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Not exactly. Jack is a 'fixed point in time', meaning he will always return to the form he had when he was cursed. While this most often manifests as returning to life, any other major changes will also vanish as he resumes the fotm he had when we was cursed.
Also Daleks figured out their eye-stalks were vulnerable, so they use force-fields too
when does he return to that fixed point? Also on an unrelatted point what's a good episode to start watching Doctor Who?