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I seem to recall Belkar disguised as Shojo to snap Thanh out of it counted as a Shojo appearance, so the same thing would apply here.
Extremely minor nitpick of the month:
I see two occurences of "Suggestible Enor" in the magical alterations, which seems about right; however there's no entry for "Confused Enor", which is about the same look.
Either it should be added, or conflated with "Suggestible Enor", maybe with a more generic name ("Mind-affected Enor"?)
Updated through 850
Belkar Bitterleaf, Durkon Thundershield, Elan, Haley Starshine, Roy Greenhilt, Tarquin (as Thog), Tarquin's Pteranodon, Thog
And I'll add in a confused Enor appearance!
Odd thing to point out, but looking at the last thread, Hinjo was given a blue appearance for 591, but I only see him on the second page.
*smacks head* Duh! :smalltongue:
Even more minor nitpick:
It's spelled "Hieronymus", not "Hieronymous".
851: Belkar Bitterleaf, Durkon Thundershield, Elan, Haley Starshine, Roy Greenhilt, Tarquin (as Thog), Thog
Same group as last time, except for the pterodactyl.
Incidentally, if the Order catches on to Tarquin's identity (which I expect is coming soon), but he doesn't drop the glamer, will it still count as an appearance by Tarquin "as Thog" and/or Thog?
Updated through 851
Belkar Bitterleaf, Durkon Thundershield, Elan, Haley Starshine, Roy Greenhilt, Tarquin (as Thog), Thog
Once Tarquin stops impersonating Thog, he stops getting counted as Thog. This might get tricky.
I'm wondering... Haley can be seen in panel 3, so that's not a problem here, but if for a full page she was shooting arrows from off-panel, would that still count as an appearance?
I've got to say it doesn't make a lot of sense to me that characters impersonating other characters counts as the other character.
That said, I love this list, and it still blows my mind that Roy has only been in a little over half of the comic.
Images of a character have been counted ever since Xykon's image showed up in Elan's summoned exposition. And someone impersonating another character is an image of one character superimposed on another.
But Haley shooting arrows from off-panel and not speaking would not count as an appearance.
Unrelated to any current questions, something I've wondered about: given that we don't count Xykon's human appearances in SoD as interesting alterations, why exactly is "Xykon as Human" in 78 still listed?
W only count alterations in the main comic. We don't count any alterations from secondary releases.
852: Belkar, Elan, Roy, Tarquin (as Thog), Thog
As of panel 8, it looks like Tarquin is done impersonating Thog.
Updated through 852
Belkar Bitterleaf, Elan, Roy Greenhilt, Tarquin (as Thog), Thog
Agreed. This is the last comic with Tarquin as Thog.
Does Tarquin (masked) count as another alteration, or is that just lumped in with changes of clothes? It's still a disguise of sorts, just not a specific one.
Unless the mask is magical, it doesn't count as an alteration.
853: Belkar Bitterleaf, Blackwing, Durkon Thundershield, Elan, Haley Starshine, Malack, Mr. Scruffy, Nale, Roy Greenhilt, Sabine, Tarquin, Vaarsuvius.
Even after Haley figured it out, I believe the Xykon quadruplets were still counted as appearances for Xykon (until the death knight ripped off the robe and Skullsy was decapitated), so putting the helm back on might count as an appearance for Thog.
Updated through 853
Belkar Bitterleaf, Blackwing, Durkon Thundershield, Elan, Haley Starshine, Malack, Mr. Scruffy, Nale, Roy Greenhilt, Sabine, Tarquin, Vaarsuvius
Tarquin won't count as Thog unless he appears to someone who mistakes him for Thog (for example, Vaarsuvius).
While I understand that the image of a character be counted in the calculations, I do not think Tarquin's impersonation of Thog should count based on the grounds that Thog has never looked like that. After all, this is the number of character APPEARANCES thread. When Nale impersonated Elan, he looked extremely similar (just different from the slightest hint of the goatee). The Xykon "brothers" :mitd: were also extremely similar in appearance. Tarquin looked nothing like any of Thog's appearances except matching in color. Therefore, it should not count.
I disagree. We count even abstract representations of a character as appearances of a character. We've counted it when characters appeared as nothing more than little dots in the background. Other characters accepted Tarquin as Thog and that's enough for me.
But the point still stands: Thog has never looked even rometely close to how Tarquin looks now. It's not an appearance for Thog if nothing close to Thog is in the comic. Just because Tarquin says he's Thog it doesn't mean Thog is in the comic. The little dots you speak of were still very clearly meant to represent the actual characters, but this guy in a purple armor does not look anything like Thog has ever done.
If we count everything people misconceive as appearances, why not count Roy as King of Nowhere, Roy as Ray, Blackwing as a Mexican Guy, Belkar as Belkon, Durkon as Catatonic Gay Dwarf, Xykon as Skulls in Pile Underneath Elan as Nale and Yokyok as Kobold Menace?
We don't. Tarquin used an illusion and acting skill to convince people he was Thog. That's commonly known as a "disguise". You didn't think he looked remotely like Thog, but Belkar, Roy, Haley, Durkon, and Elan did, at least for a few rounds. If we accept disguises -- and we do -- I'm not discounting a disguise that actually convinces characters simply because you think it was a bad disguise.
None of those involve people trying to appear as that other person. Mistaken identity alone is insufficient. It must be coupled with an attempt by the misperceived subject to appear as that person. (Also, most of those aren't actual independent characters.)Quote:
why not count Roy as King of Nowhere, Roy as Ray, Blackwing as a Mexican Guy, Belkar as Belkon, Durkon as Catatonic Gay Dwarf, Xykon as Skulls in Pile Underneath Elan as Nale and Yokyok as Kobold Menace?