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It's been some time but hey I need some help I'm trying to stat out eva-esque mechs using the system layed out in the D20 mecha compendium.Upwards of a thousand points is expected but beyond that I have no real idea how these are going to cost. So hey giant's can I get a helping hand?
Is this thread to vague? Or am I asking to much at once? I'm honestly working on a setting based on the fanfic Shinji and 40K and kind of need the evas for it to really work...I keep running into dead ends myself and I was curious if anyone here might be skilled at mech statting.
Lo! Here my ancient wisdom! Before there were tieflings, the original DiceFreaks had an entire thread devoted to d20 anime characters and monsters. Glorious, it was, mighty and proud! For in those hallowed halls were such legends as Vampire Hunter D, Akira, Goku, and even the Evangelion 01. The 01 alone had two versions; one at a decent CR 24, the other at a much heftier CR 56. Get ye now to DiceFreaks and ask about, see if any man or Darkwind there still holds this beautiful information. Oh, and get the Akira while you're there, too.
Back to normal talk now... There's always been a problem with d20 Eva which has detracted people from it: the scale difference. On one level, you have massive amounts of roleplaying and fluff revolving around normal human beings, albeit unique and neurotic ones. (God, can you imagine the end-game there? "Okay, Shinji, make a Will save against immature bitching or stop in your tracks and turn the whole world in orange-ade. What? Oh, you failed, huh?") On the other side, there are the massive action-centric Angels and Evas, destroying and fighting one each other without characterization or cause. I imagine Angels could probably be made by making a kaiju, pseudonatural, or both from just about any monster with enough elbow-grease. But like I said, the scale has detracted alot of people.
Which is why I LOVE the concept of a d20 Shinji and Warhammer 40K stats set. The 'ground combat', so to speak, has been vastly maximized. What with Rei, Kaworu, Shinji (temporarily), and for that matter possibly anyone compatible with an Eva having the capability for psionic powers, things just got a whole lot more interesting. Not to mention, the introduction of the 'angel-spawn' with Matriel, ground troops for the angels, continues to excite, to say nothing of the fact that Evas are no longer the only mechs on the planet any more. And as technology keeps advancing, it is entirely possible, if not probable, that space-settings would be a viable option. Imagine; it's the dark future, Shinji sacrificed himself during third impact and through martyrdom has raised himself to almost Christ-like levels of full-blown worship and adoration, beginning the Imperial Cult (which, of course, he sought to avoid throughout the entire story, going to great lengths to insure that he was not worshiped, but, he's dead now, so...). A united mankind is reaching out to space to bring the war back to the Angels on their home-world in revenge. All the while, the Angels do not rest easy, as they send not just single units, but hordes of monsters to earth. SEELE, now not unlike a cult, continues its crucible, sowing dissent and breeding mutants. All across the world, nations take up arms via mechs, led by the NERV's remaining Children in glorious war for the late Emperor. Oh yeah... I think I just had me a creationgasm...
Also, I highly suggest that you check out a campaign on the d20 Modern boards called 'Undocumented Features'. It. Is. EPIC. Basically, one day, a virus started infecting every known computer on the planet. Over the next 23 hours, things go straight to Hell. A strange fogs surrounds all major cities on Earth. Most of the human population that was anywhere near some kind of digital device disappears. In their place, 'Fictions' start showing up; characters from video games, comics, anime, literature, fan fiction, television, movies, you name it. In utter chaos, the vanished humans return, completely adapted to this new world, some with strange powers and equipment. The goal of the campaign is to figure out the details of the mystery virus, and how (or if you want to) reverse it. The world is a dangerous place now; between daikaiju, Super Saiyans, Daleks, Mandalorians, Cylons, dragons, demons, and every other kind of antagonist imaginable, most humans, and practically all Fictions, want to go back home and get things to normal. Not much has been done for Eva: a journal entry from a Shinji's diary has been found, along with Misato's and Gendo's (who are both statted out, levels 14 and 12 respectively.), and 'Red-Eyes' (Kaworu and Rei) are their own races. Because a single character can be drawn from different sources, there are usually multiples; different versions of Shinji, Rei, etc. I'm keeping an eye on the setting myself. Still rather curious how Shinji from Warhammer 40K would work in this world. I can imagine, with Lelouch and Light combination level of scheming, that he would probably kill any versions of him or his father that wouldn't work for him.
My word, how long have I been ranting now?
I'd actually probably use the RIFTS Glitter Boy as a start, rather than trying to shoehorn it into d20 Modern...
I recently came up with some mecha stuff for Fudge, if your interested. And it is much less labor intensive than that pokemon project. But I don't know how close the Evangelion mechs are to Code Geass mechs, so that gets in the way.
Haha impressive rant to say the least. Using Rifts and Fudge is viable but personally I've found that D20 mecha compendium can make a lot of power. Some of their sample mecha are nearly as powerful as what I can imagine an Eva being.
Knaight I hear you there. As for the level of power, a code geass mech well....it's a paltry comparison.
Well the fudge system I had made was aimed at late Code Geass Mecha. Which are pretty damn impressive to say the least.
So I've heard. Have you seen any Evangelion episodes though? Try the first three to get a good idea of what you are running them against.
Yeah, I'm not really sure you can compare a 50 ft. tall Knight-Mare to a 500 ft. tall Eva, mecha which are more or less Jesus in bio-mechanical robot form. That's not an exaggeration, either. The Evas are, literally, half-God. They bend reality on a regular basis, and their entire point of creation was to further the evolution of mankind as a whole.
Not quite... Spoilered for the safety of those who haven't seen it...Quote:
Originally Posted by The Tygre
SpoilerThe Evas were basically bio-machines created based on the research of Adam, the first angel to be discovered by humans. Unit 01, in particular, was created with the mind/spirit of Shinji's mother.
The project to advance the evolution of Mankind was a completely different project, which was considered to be vastly more important. In fact NERV's whole point was to delay the Angel's attacks until the system could come online, in which case it no longer mattered because all of mankind would have entered a gestalt-matrix. It was strongly hinted that this project is the reason why the Angels were attacking in the first place.
That doesn't mean, however, that they are on an order of magnitude more powerful than any other mech. In the first place, they have an AT field, which can literally stand up to a neutron bomb at ground zero, a nuke at ground zero, and any other form of conventional weapon. In fact, the only thing which can truly pierce an AT field, is another AT field, which the Evas produce, as well as Angels.
In other words, if it doesn't generate an AT field, it don't do jack or squat. So it's plot armor, but the Angels have the golden bee bee which can penetrate the plot armor. Makes for an interesting show, anyways, although the final episode was seriously schizophrenic.
No mech firing mere lasers or missiles or rail guns would stand a hope in hell of doing more than scratching the paint of an Eva. It couldn't even seriously threaten an Eva's pilot, which is the only way to really piss off an Eva. Which would be a bad idea anyways, since they have a tendency to go berserk when you do that, which bypasses their Achilles Heel of power supply and basically gives them infinity plus one strength.
The Oedipal trait is quite necessary.
That's the first time I've ever heard of and eva being a bio-mechanical Jesus.
Also it wasn't exactly a delaying tactic (spoilered for obvious reasons)
Spoiler
The angels are trying to cause third Impact on their terms instead of Seele's. As shown by Kauro(sp?) when he goes straight to the heart of the matter and realizes with disdain that the large figure hanging in terminal dogma is actually Lilith and not Adam as they thought all along.
Alright so what do we know for sure about the Evas? Beyond the obvious facts? Also a friend of mine suggested an interesting way of handling the AT field. It could be that it's a constant effect such as a constant bonus to HP that regenerates every round back to full. When you toss in angels regeneration abilites that makes the suckers about unstoppable till you can break it down and get at the core.
*pulls out CPR kit*
Alright I have a point value. Two thousand five hundred points. This seems to be a fairly appropriate number given two thousand is considered enough to build a super robot that can save the planet in a normal setting. Also I will actually post stats eventually It's just the joys of college holding me up. :smalleek:
The fudge system for Code Geass style mechs will work. You just have to scale everything way up, which isn't particularly difficult. On the AT field, just have only AT field things able to punch through it. Done.
The only problem with making an AT field as portrayed in Shinji and Warhammer 40k is that it can do practically anything. Practically give them Reality Revision as a spell like ability at will...
Anyone else who has read that Fic have any ideas/thoughts on the matter?
Perhaps high Will Saves or an in-game Sync ratio system could be devised. Or magic. We could always call it magic. That's basically what it is. Don't deny it. You know it's true.
well of course it's magic....but that's only slightly beside the point.
maybe some kind of skill (or psudo-skill) system to replicate sync ratios? like the ride skill, but you only have to make the check every few rounds or so...or whenever you go through some kind of mental shock and/or decide to 'contemplate your navel' (>.>). Then maybe some method off of that to determine what abilities are available to you by using the AT field.
y/n/m?
Haha actually we were sticking to the more traditional view of the AT fields simply because well...yeah scary scary stuff. As for synch ratios I actually figured you almost need to fail your will saves. Look at Shinji and Asuka they are both pretty easy to manipulate.
But, a skill system would actually be a pretty sensible thing. Given the fact that it makes a little more sense in certain respects and also allows for AT field shenanigans.
...Neo Granzon could totally pwn an AT Field...
Anyways, I think Asuka uses her AT Field offensively in End of Evangelion, at the very least. Unless I'm wrong about that entirely...
I know in the show, the characters seem to do best whenever they're suffering severe mental trauma... hm. I think that strong emotions in general are part of sync ratios, the problem of course being the lack of strong positive emotions in Eva. Of course, the end of the world isn't as end of the worldy as it could have been had Shinji not started to figure things out in those last two episodes, so obviously positive feelings do work in Eva.
Are you just using the canon Eva pilots or adding more?
I do believe there is a certain leaning towards 'Shinji and Warhammer 40K', HIS HAND GUIDES US ALL!
Right now we are just trying to get an eva off the ground. So we are focusing on the most basic aspects of the behemoths. Which means raw stats really for the time being.
Ha! I knew they'd show up sooner or later!
Kudos to Phaedros for finding them, and mega kudos to Phantom Llama for making them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phaedros
This is my first post over here at the Giant in the Playground forums, and I must say that the stats of the Evangelions are pretty... well, for the lack of a better term, *monstruous*. Like a good ol' D&D team would require a few anti-tank rockets, an anti-AT Field spell, and a crapload of luck.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Tygre
And yup, as for what he said about the 'Undocumented Features' setting... I was somewhat lacking in ideas about what to add to the setting regarding Evangelion... sure, Tokyo-3 is in the setting (and SEELE and NERV have obtained an 'upgrade' in the threat levels because of all of the available firepower and allies out there), although I'm lacking about any plans for those factions beyond that.
As well, I haven't read much of 'Shinji and WH40k', so I dunno what to add from that story over there. Surely, a lot of people (and I mean, A LOT OF PEOPLE) do not like Shinji's wanna-be 'Neo-Imperiium of Man' (because a lot of them are just expecting the Inquisitors to start popping up-and surely do not like the idea of *Shinji Ikari* becoming a God-Emperor (and what the kid is truly thinking about said idea is something they do not care about)).
Maybe the Neo-Imperium of Man would be fighting the Eternal Churchill somewhere out there against the forces of Neo-Chaos (from 'Thousand Shinji' and 'The Open Door' ). I don't know.
Any ideas?