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Starcraft 2: 8 Medivac drop
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Re: Starcraft 2: 8 Medivac drop
So, I'll start this thread off by posting the current skill level I have. BEHOLD MY TERRIBLENESS!
(Oh wow, 75 apm. That's higher than I thought. Still, I suck.)
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Silverraptor
So, I'll start this thread off by posting the current skill level I have.
BEHOLD MY TERRIBLENESS!
(Oh wow, 75 apm. That's higher than I thought. Still, I suck.)
I think that you need to get ling speed a bit sooner and make a macro hatch with a queen when you are doing ling muta/infestor.
Also your drone count was a tad low the entire game.
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Can you update the first post to have my info for it? BobVosh.644
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Zerg seem to be the only race that have serious problems keeping drone count high. Probably because you lose one for every building.
All the same, why am I not on the NA list? I could have sworn I posted mine:
Acanous 667
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i just realized i am not on the NA list either
DarkMemnarch. 356
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DarkMemnarch
I think that you need to get ling speed a bit sooner and make a macro hatch with a queen when you are doing ling muta/infestor.
Also your drone count was a tad low the entire game.
Yeah. I was going through that game thinking, "god why am I low on minerals?" That was then when I realized I needed more drones near then end. Still, I'm glad I held off the hellions okay without too much damage. In fact, he lost more in helions then I think I lost in lings and drones.
And I'll update the list now.
Updated!
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Acanous
Zerg seem to be the only race that have serious problems keeping drone count high. Probably because you lose one for every building.
All the same, why am I not on the NA list? I could have sworn I posted mine:
Acanous 667
Early game perhaps. Midgame on they can easily produce 12-20 drones at a time without any trouble. Even early game the keep up reasonably well with terran/toss on one less base.
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Zerg can produce drones faster than the other two races could hope to match, but they also have to trade warriors for workers, so they often can't make drones. Winning as zerg means exploiting the first while dodging the second. The better the zerg, the better they keep up that drone count.
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A) I'm not on the NA list. this is to be rectified. Seeing as mine shows up in every post, there should be no excuse. And by no excuse I mean I barely remember there being a list. RianL.377
B) So I realize something. My average APM feels really low for some reason. I generally hit around 35-38ish, spiking during battles. This is clearly not my biggest problem, but I'm too prone to thinking while not doing.
C) Despite this, and despite realizing how bad I am at dealing with multiple things at once, I just had a super-fun PvT. He tries an early stim push, I hold it off. End up getting taking a really fast fourth and fifth while he takes a 3rd and kills my entire unattended army because i was distracted by banshees hitting me. He proceeded to have banshees and marauder drops freakin' everywhere. All over the place. I could not actually keep up with what I needed to do. So I just decided to attack the hell out of him. I got colossi to his ghosts and just proceeded to steam into his 3rd, kill his army, and steam over his second, and then went to clean up what was left of the hits i had been taking and frantically trying to deal with. between banshees at 3 or 4 bases and drops on 2 of them as well, frequently two or 3 getting hit at once, I was going nuts. So glad his big force was marine marauder ghost, 'cause chargelot colossus stalker just mopped it up, esp when he tried to split his army to take out the 6 or so colossi and just got his marines melted.
edit: so apparently my APM in retrospect was actually a lot better that game, averaging 50ish by the end. I'm sure part of that was me trying a lot harder on my worker production, as well as freaking out trying to deal with what felt like banshees everywhere. Eventually I kinda started trying to treat it like PvZ vs muta, just that the mutas can cloak. And otherwise, I was playing the zerg way. I was SO far behind in units lost and workers lost (like, I lost about 3 times as much on both for a lot of the game, I think), but I -still- came out surviving. Guess having 4-5 bases will do that for you.
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Thiyr
A) I'm not on the NA list. this is to be rectified. Seeing as mine shows up in every post, there should be no excuse. And by no excuse I mean I barely remember there being a list. RianL.377
B) So I realize something. My average APM feels really low for some reason. I generally hit around 35-38ish, spiking during battles. This is clearly not my biggest problem, but I'm too prone to thinking while not doing.
C) Despite this, and despite realizing how bad I am at dealing with multiple things at once, I just had a super-fun PvT. He tries an early stim push, I hold it off. End up getting taking a really fast fourth and fifth while he takes a 3rd and kills my entire unattended army because i was distracted by banshees hitting me. He proceeded to have banshees and marauder drops freakin' everywhere. All over the place. I could not actually keep up with what I needed to do. So I just decided to attack the hell out of him. I got colossi to his ghosts and just proceeded to steam into his 3rd, kill his army, and steam over his second, and then went to clean up what was left of the hits i had been taking and frantically trying to deal with. between banshees at 3 or 4 bases and drops on 2 of them as well, frequently two or 3 getting hit at once, I was going nuts. So glad his big force was marine marauder ghost, 'cause chargelot colossus stalker just mopped it up, esp when he tried to split his army to take out the 6 or so colossi and just got his marines melted.
edit: so apparently my APM in retrospect was actually a lot better that game, averaging 50ish by the end. I'm sure part of that was me trying a lot harder on my worker production, as well as freaking out trying to deal with what felt like banshees everywhere. Eventually I kinda started trying to treat it like PvZ vs muta, just that the mutas can cloak. And otherwise, I was playing the zerg way. I was SO far behind in units lost and workers lost (like, I lost about 3 times as much on both for a lot of the game, I think), but I -still- came out surviving. Guess having 4-5 bases will do that for you.
You should post the replay.:smallsmile:
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Might as well add me to the North American list. Kyeudo 987
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Silverraptor
You should post the replay.:smallsmile:
What's this? You want replays? Why would I ever do tha---oh hey, a replay.
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Thiyr
What's this? You want
replays? Why would I ever do tha---oh hey, a replay.
you need to scout more
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DarkMemnarch
you need to scout more
And strangely, that was one of my better games for scouting, considering for most of the dangerous parts before things got really hectic for me I knew where his army was, and i was at least attempting to check expos. Should have checked his base once i saw the army, but that whole "giant blob of MMG" left me (falsely) confident that I knew what he was planning.
Then again, I'm pretty sure there's no such thing as not needing to scout more, so long as there's unseen areas on the map, so still something to pay attention to.
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this guy just 7 pooled and pulled all his drones to come and kill me
i fended it off near perfectly
This is why you dont do a 6 or 7 pool in zvz
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You know, the best ZVZ 7pool brings 2 drones in with the 'lings, morphs them into Spine Crawlers while you have to micro to kill the 'lings. It's still fend-offable, but it's Brutal. It carries the bonus that while you're trying to fend it off, they're catching back up with econ.
Saw it pulled once in a 3v3, was freaking amazing.
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Acanous
You know, the best ZVZ 7pool brings 2 drones in with the 'lings, morphs them into Spine Crawlers while you have to micro to kill the 'lings. It's still fend-offable, but it's Brutal. It carries the bonus that while you're trying to fend it off, they're catching back up with econ.
Saw it pulled once in a 3v3, was freaking amazing.
spines take 50 seconds to make and the lings take 25 when that attack comes you can run around for 25 seconds while the spines are being made. when the lings pop all you do is send 3 drones to each spine and attack his army with everything else. you will win the fight because he has 3 drones 6 lings to 6 lings and 9 drones of yours.
When u win the fight send everything to kill the spines
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DarkMemnarch
this guy just 7 pooled and pulled all his drones to come and kill me
i fended it off near perfectly
This is why you dont do a 6 or 7 pool in zvz
Come on, man. Post more replays!
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After spending a few months away from Starcraft, I returned today. And you know what? Clicking is awesome. :smallcool:
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Mutant Sheep
After spending a few months away from Starcraft, I returned today. And you know what? Clicking is awesome. :smallcool:
Huh?
As a zerg I am very happy with the ghost nerfs coming up.
6 to 10 snipes to kill a brood lord, 11 to 20 snipes for a ultralisk. Late game may be possible again.
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On snipe, I would instead have prefered reduced damage to Massive units instead of the current damage nerf. Snipe is basically used for two things normally: Killing Broods/Ultras and for killing casters. The first was imba, the second was things going as normal.
However, there were things snipe could be used for that was pretty nice. You could snipe off banelings to stop a bust, pick off hydras behind roaches, or take down fleeing mutas. Now? It takes twice the snipes to do all of those, making ghosts not useful in any capacity but as anti-casters.
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I just played the craziest ZvP I've had in a long time. It is a solid example of why you should never count your opponent as dead and the one time that having a trust fund is a good thing. Take a look.
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Kyeudo
I just played the craziest ZvP I've had in a long time. It is a solid example of why you should never count your opponent as dead and the one time that having a trust fund is a good thing.
Take a look.
Your lack of adreanal glands saddens me.:smallfrown:
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So, I was inspired by Kyeudo playing that I decided to start ladder. I then play this game vs a protoss. It has rekindled my spirit that maybe I'm not so far behind in skill than I thought if this guy was in the top 25, despite the fact that I had no idea what I was doing and was just making a variety of stuff in the hope that it would be enough.
Here's the replay.
Edit: Holy crap! I won again against a superior gold opponent. Have my skills started to return? Am I starting to get back to plat skill level? Or did this terran forget marines are imba?:smalltongue:
You decide.
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Silverraptor
Your lack of adreanal glands saddens me.:smallfrown:
I had impending death on my mind. Great excuse for amnesia.
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Kyeudo
I had impending death on my mind. Great excuse for amnesia.
Amnesia you say?:smallbiggrin:
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Originally Posted by
Kyeudo
I just played the craziest ZvP I've had in a long time. It is a solid example of why you should never count your opponent as dead and the one time that having a trust fund is a good thing.
Take a look.
Im watching the replay now, and I don't understand why you went with two spines after you took care of the cannon harrass, and you saw that he was going a FFE?
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Tehnar
Im watching the replay now, and I don't understand why you went with two spines after you took care of the cannon harrass, and you saw that he was going a FFE?
It's sort of a default, but partially because I don't have anything but lings for a long time in my build. If he pushes with four zealots before my mutas come out, I take disproportionate damage from the attack. I've lost games by skipping them.
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So, I was going throught the Day 9 Archive and found This. My god were things horrific back in beta!
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i have this replay of the a terran alling me it is quite effective if not scouted good thing i scouted it. I was going toi say something witty but he left.
and with this post i become a dwarf in the playground. :smallcool:
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DarkMemnarch
i have this
replay of the a terran alling me it is quite effective if not scouted good thing i scouted it. I was going toi say something witty but he left.
and with this post i become a dwarf in the playground. :smallcool:
How that guy thought he could still win when all his SCVs evaporated to those couple of banelings at the beginning of the fight, I'll never know.
And what was the witty thing you were going to say?
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So, I managed to psych out another zerg with my 11 pool to think that I was going to rush him. But I sent 1 ling scout into his base and saw a spine in his mineral line, I knew he would turtle, so I risked a fast expand afterwards.
I think I made the right call, don't you?:smallcool:
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Silverraptor
So, I managed to psych out another zerg with my 11 pool to think that I was going to rush him. But I sent 1 ling scout into his base and saw a spine in his mineral line, I knew he would turtle, so I risked a fast expand afterwards.
I think I made the right call, don't you?:smallcool:
imo you should get the gases in your natural really fast if you are going the infestor route. Also when you get infestors you should try and expand again because you will have a surplus of minerals.
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DarkMemnarch
imo you should get the gases in your natural really fast if you are going the infestor route. Also when you get infestors you should try and expand again because you will have a surplus of minerals.
Okay. Thanks for the tip.:smallsmile:
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i also have a game vs mech. I have found out that it takes 8 base zerg to kill 4 base mech.
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DarkMemnarch
i also have a game vs mech. I have found out that it takes 8 base zerg to kill 4 base
mech.
Why did you mass roaches when you saw him going mech? Wouldn't lings work better in surrounding the thors better?
Also, YOUR lack of Adrenal Glands saddens me.:smallfrown:
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Originally Posted by
Silverraptor
Why did you mass roaches when you saw him going mech? Wouldn't lings work better in surrounding the thors better?
Also, YOUR lack of Adrenal Glands saddens me.:smallfrown:
blue flame destroys lings really badly so roaches are the only thing that can stand up to the hellions. I guess i could have afforded adrenal glands but all i need the lings to do was morph inot banelings and destroy the planetaries so adrenal glands wouldnt really do anything.
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DarkMemnarch
blue flame destroys lings really badly so roaches are the only thing that can stand up to the hellions. I guess i could have afforded adrenal glands but all i need the lings to do was morph inot banelings and destroy the planetaries so adrenal glands wouldnt really do anything.
But don't Roaches melt under Thors and tanks?
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I found that I can only beat terran mech with mass mutalisks and then later broodlord/infestor. You just have to get upgrades and not screw up the magic box. 1 missclick and you are dead. If the terran drops tanks you can go mass roach to deal with Thors more easily.
Also agressive expansions with lots of spines take advantage of his immobile force.
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Silverraptor
But don't Roaches melt under Thors and tanks?
if he has 5-6 tanks yes they do but he only had 1. also roaches do alright against thors. Also if you do go mass lings against more the 10 blue flame hellions you are going to got massacred. At least with roaches you can kill off most if not all hellions before they die.
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DarkMemnarch
if he has 5-6 tanks yes they do but he only had 1. also roaches do alright against thors. Also if you do go mass lings against more the 10 blue flame hellions you are going to got massacred. At least with roaches you can kill off most if not all hellions before they die.
I see. Roach first to get rid of the hellions. Then if you're out of gas, mass lings.
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So, starting from tonight I'm going to start to learn playing SC2 again. I haven't played more than like 2 ladder games and not really any serious games since maybe 18 months, and the metagame has changed so much since then that all my stuff is outdated :smallfrown:
If anyone want to play some games during the week so that I can practice some builds, hit me up, I should be on during midafternoons and late evenings EST. Probably ZvT and ZvZ (since Lego is Protoss). Preferably Plat and up, but I don't really care, really.
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I'm a diamond zerg, but I want to start practicing terran. Without losing horribly in ladder. So I can do that.
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i am also diamond zerg. you can message me in game if you want to play against me.
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Cynan Machae
So, starting from tonight I'm going to start to learn playing SC2 again. I haven't played more than like 2 ladder games and not really any serious games since maybe 18 months, and the metagame has changed so much since then that all my stuff is outdated :smallfrown:
If anyone want to play some games during the week so that I can practice some builds, hit me up, I should be on during midafternoons and late evenings EST. Probably ZvT and ZvZ (since Lego is Protoss). Preferably Plat and up, but I don't really care, really.
Eh, if you really need a T partner, I can play, though I never ladder. (And therefore, I have no idea how good/bad I am.)
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Cynan Machae
So, starting from tonight I'm going to start to learn playing SC2 again. I haven't played more than like 2 ladder games and not really any serious games since maybe 18 months, and the metagame has changed so much since then that all my stuff is outdated :smallfrown:
If anyone want to play some games during the week so that I can practice some builds, hit me up, I should be on during midafternoons and late evenings EST. Probably ZvT and ZvZ (since Lego is Protoss). Preferably Plat and up, but I don't really care, really.
What's your name and friend code number? I'll update the list after you post it.
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I'm on the list since Thread 1 :P (Cynan.623)
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Good news! I went from 73rd in Platinum to 1st in Diamond in less than 3 hours.
Bad news! My ZvZ is trash. I lost this game and I have no clue why. I seem to have the same or better drone count, same or better upgrades, same or better positioning in battle, roughly the same apm, same number of bases, yet I lose every battle and ultimately the game. Can someone see why?
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Any advice for a newb who wants to get in on the Starcraft 2 scene? Particularly one who wishes to play Zerg?
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Focus on your early game. Scouting, early macro, Queens, shutting down early harassment, etc.
After that, expand your focus.
Learn to use all the tools in you're toolbox, but focus on the most used tools first?
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Kyeudo
Good news! I went from 73rd in Platinum to 1st in Diamond in less than 3 hours.
Bad news! My ZvZ is trash. I lost
this game and I have no clue why. I seem to have the same or better drone count, same or better upgrades, same or better positioning in battle, roughly the same apm, same number of bases, yet I lose every battle and ultimately the game. Can someone see why?
My ZvZ is Trash to. LETS BECOME PRACTICE BUDDIES!!!
(And when I say practice buddies, I mean you proceed to walk all over me game after game after game. But I'm fine with it if I can get in some decent practice against another zerg player.)
In other news, DarkMemnarch and I were playing against each other last night so I can show off my noob skills. When he won 3 in a row with me playing as a different race each, he said, "Want to see a totally OP Terran tactic?"
Little did he realize, that since he didn't let my forge complete the level 2 shield upgrade when I asked him to over skype when it was only a couple seconds until done, I decided to spite him by not early expanding, which he was expecting me to do. Complete and absolute hilariaty ensued that I'm having trouble still grasping what happened even though it was 12 hours ago.
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Just start playing is my advice. Don't worry about your league or rank, just play games and let the matchmaking formula do its work. Focus on developing your economy. Get out that first queen, don't miss your injects and keep your money low. Delay building units until you need them, and stay focused on hatcheries, overlord, queens and drones.
Also, watch Day9:
http://day9tv.blip.tv/file/4210235/
http://day9tv.blip.tv/file/4712303/
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Shadow Lord
Any advice for a newb who wants to get in on the Starcraft 2 scene? Particularly one who wishes to play Zerg?
Always early expand versus protoss and terran. Yes, even then. A Zerg on one base is dead.
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Silverraptor
My ZvZ is Trash to. LETS BECOME PRACTICE BUDDIES!!!
(And when I say practice buddies, I mean you proceed to walk all over me game after game after game. But I'm fine with it if I can get in some decent practice against another zerg player.)
In other news, DarkMemnarch and I were playing against each other last night so I can show off my noob skills. When he won 3 in a row with me playing as a different race each, he said, "Want to see a totally OP Terran tactic?"
Little did he realize, that since he didn't let my forge complete the level 2 shield upgrade when I asked him to over skype when it was only a couple seconds until done, I decided to spite him by not early expanding, which he was expecting me to do.
Complete and absolute hilariaty ensued that I'm having trouble still grasping what happened even though it was 12 hours ago.
As you can see my terran is subpar. Also I have learned from the ladder that you are never to far behind to bm.
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Re: Starcraft 2: 8 Medivac drop
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DarkMemnarch
As you can see my terran is subpar. Also I have learned from the ladder that you are never to far behind to bm.
BM?:smallconfused:
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Silverraptor
BM?:smallconfused:
mad manners/ bad mouth your opponent.
here is an example
and here is another example
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Re: Starcraft 2: 8 Medivac drop
Ah. Though I thought I was encouraging you to be more IdrA like in that game in your insults.:smalltongue:
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Silverraptor
Ah. Though I thought I was encouraging you to be more IdrA like in that game in your insults.:smalltongue:
i have learned from this replay