Dnd 3.5 - The Hunt for the Holy Grail.

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Originally Posted by samduke

Psychic rogue approved

Notation on alignment, I mentioned this, please no chaotic stupid, as such please have a character that can work with others

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Understood and I know the difference between playing chaotic evil and being a chaotic jerk. :smallsmile:

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Originally Posted by samduke

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I would like to ask if the Corrupted Wild Shape feat could be allowed for other shapechanging abilities, not just Druids.

Any Animal Forms based on Polymorph but not Druidic is having a real hard time without these allowances imo.

My (Glorious Servitor, Lost Empires of Faeruhn) Bestial Form, Bison, 3/day, 1 Hr per use isn't breaking the bank imo, and certainly isn't any better then my native fighting capabilities, it's mainly for fluff reasons.

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Originally Posted by Burning Spear

Leeadership shenanigans aren't allowed, but can we hire NPC hirelings for money?
Like a Goblin? (lvl 5 Generic Expert) normal humanoid non-undead, as a messenger/ generic manservant of sorts?

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there will be no hirelings period, it will be just a party of 4 undead that want revenge on the head of the church - just that simple

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Originally Posted by Burning Spear

I would like to ask if the Corrupted Wild Shape feat could be allowed for other shapechanging abilities, not just Druids.

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Corrupted Wild Shape feat
Prerequisite
Undead type, wild shape class feature

if you can meet the Prerequisite, you can use it

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Originally Posted by samduke

there will be no hirelings period, it will be just a party of 4 undead that want revenge on the head of the church - just that simple

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Okidoki, just asking :smallconfused:

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Originally Posted by samduke

Corrupted Wild Shape feat
Prerequisite
Undead type, wild shape class feature

if you can meet the Prerequisite, you can use it

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The only reason I brought up this feat, is to make things EASIER, not harder, lol.
It does not say in the Glorious Servitor PrC class that is is exactly like the Druid's Wild Shape, it does say it is like Polymorph, and nowhere does it say it doesn't work if the scrub is undead, unlike the Druid's Shapechanging :smalltongue: which needs this feat mentioned to keep functioning properly.

So even as undead, I can use the Glorious Servitor's Bestial Form with no issues. RaW :smallbiggrin:
So for 3/day, 1 hr per use, I can change into a living creature, but only in the one form. :smallwink:
I wasn't building this to get a trump card or anything, I was building a fluffy character, honestly.
Either way, Mummified Bison or Natural Bison, both fit in the fluff/ story..

Adding this feat would only make things smoothen out in regards to us being undead, I get that you want to emphasis undead, and for 90% that is feasible, but having a fluffy ability that allows a shape change, doesn't undemine that at all.

I fully understand you do things by RaW, and don't want to change much if anything at all to keep things on a straight and narrow. By RaW I don't need that feat, it was just accomodation, so NvM, I will look for another feat instead.

I am going to set april 26th for applications and then I will take next weekend to decide

My deathknight is about finished.

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Originally Posted by Lioslaith

Is anyone building a “converter”? Something that makes undead? That would be fitting punishment for an organization bent on wiping out our kind. Make them undead.

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I only have a spell, Living Undeath (makes you immune to crits, but also -4 Cha, which breaks turning a bit . But no undead-making machine, :smallsmile:

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Originally Posted by Burning Spear

I only have a spell, Living Undeath (makes you immune to crits, but also -4 Cha, which breaks turning a bit . But no undead-making machine, :smallsmile:

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I had a different idea as to what this campaign was going to be when I asked that. More of a “ the world should all be dead” instead of “Joe head priest must die.”

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Originally Posted by Lioslaith

I had a different idea as to what this campaign was going to be when I asked that. More of a “ the world should all be dead” instead of “Joe head priest must die.”

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That implies you'd have to make either a undead that makes Spawn of some sort or be a single classed high level spellcaster? :smallcool:

Also, on an ethical lvl my scrub won't agree with you on that, life has a right to exist etc., but so do Undead, lol.

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Originally Posted by Burning Spear

That implies you'd have to make either a undead that makes Spawn of some sort or be a single classed high level spellcaster? :smallcool:

Also, on an ethical lvl my scrub won't agree with you on that, life has a right to exist etc., but so do Undead, lol.

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She’s allowed to have wrong opinions. 😂

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Originally Posted by Lioslaith

My deathknight is about finished.

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Could you post something on here, so I can update the player app-list?

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Originally Posted by Burning Spear

It does not say in the Glorious Servitor PrC class that is is exactly like the Druid's Wild Shape, it does say it is like Polymorph, and nowhere does it say it doesn't work if the scrub is undead, unlike the Druid's Shapechanging :smalltongue: which needs this feat mentioned to keep functioning properly.

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There's a big difference though. A Druid's Wild Shape is based on Alternate Form, which doesn't have the undead restriction Polymorph does. They also don't work the same mechanically. While a GM can rule otherwise, the feat doesn't seem mechanically compatible.

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Originally Posted by watupwithdat

There's a big difference though. A Druid's Wild Shape is based on Alternate Form, which doesn't have the undead restriction Polymorph does. They also don't work the same mechanically. While a GM can rule otherwise, the feat doesn't seem mechanically compatible.

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I appreciate the information you have offered. However I already ruled / stated

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Corrupted Wild Shape feat
Prerequisite
Undead type, wild shape class feature
if you can meet the Prerequisite, you can use it

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Prerequisite: everyone is undead - this is met.
Prerequisite: wild shape class feature - unless you have this class feature, you do not qualify.
No amount of alter self, polymorph, shapechange or the like can meet this, as far as I know.
There are very limited ways to meet this to the best of my knowledge.

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Originally Posted by samduke

I appreciate the information you have offered. However I already ruled / stated



Prerequisite: everyone is undead - this is met.
Prerequisite: wild shape class feature - unless you have this class feature, you do not qualify.
No amount of alter self, polymorph, shapechange or the like can meet this, as far as I know.
There are very limited ways to meet this to the best of my knowledge.

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Yes, that's my point. They're not compatible. Not to mention that Corrupted Wild Shape was published before some amount of Wild Shape errata (when it was still based on Polymorph), so the feat does literally nothing to modify Wild Shape. It already works like that if you're undead (apart from the whole "animals you turn into looks gnarly" part).

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Originally Posted by samduke

However I already ruled / stated.

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What she said.

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Originally Posted by samduke

7. Are there any particular character classes, professions, orders, etc. that you want... or do not want? What are your rules on 'prestige' and/or homebrewed classes?
Any official 3.5 1st party material is allowed.

13. Are there any homebrewed or optional/variant rules that your Players should know about? If so, list and explain them, or provide relevant links to learn about these new rules.
no flaws, no traits, no homebrew, no leadership or leadership related things.
ELephant in the Room rules are in effect.
No pregame item creation. You can combine items at +50% of lesser cost as normal.
I don't want anything cheesy. So no using efreeti to get free stat bonuses for example. The game will be low to mid optimization.


Consult the Book of Armaments!

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I glanced over the "restrictions", and missed that it specifies 3.5 only.
I really really really must ask for the following;
3.0 Sword and Fist contains some feats that were deemed correct for 3.5 and have thusly never been "updated".
Namely the Chariot Fighting feat derivatives;
Chariot Combat*
Chariot Archery
Chariot Trample
Chariot Sideswipe*
Chariot Charge*
Except it uses Handle Animal instead of Ride - "-" but functions exactly the same.
It also specifies they are used parralel to the Mounted Combat Feats in PHB.

And for the Character's Fluff and setting I really want to have these, marked with an *, and later possibly take the remaining ones.
Note; This is first and foremost for fluff reasons, she is from an archaic civilization, and thus doesnt yet use the stirrup.
Hence the chariot is their choice mode of transport. Even if we don't get to use it much in combat, I just like the fluff of how "driving" a chariot is way cool.

https://www.worldhistory.org/uploads/images/12636.jpg

First things first When I mentioned that I needed to see how you get to become undead.


to emphisis this I am going to barrow from what burning spear placed in their application at one point

(inherited templates should be right at level 0, acquired templates I need to see where you become undead and what it is that caused it.

Spoiler: Level Progression

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Lady Sobek-Nepheru
Mulan Human Mummy

1) Militant Rogue 1
2) Cleric (Cloistered) 1
3) Human Paragon 1
4) Human Paragon 2
5) Human Paragon 3
6) Militant Rogue 2
7) Militant Rogue 3
8) Militant Rogue 4
9) Divine Oracle 1
10) Fighter 1
11) Contemplative 1
12) Glorious Servitor 1
13) Glorious Servitor 2
14) Glorious Servitor 3
15-18) Mummified Creature Template is an acquired template LA+4

I need this on your SHEETS


Sword and Fist and the other non updated 3.0 materials, I have been fairly lax on 3.0 stuff so far and I am not going to change that.

Answer to question: IF YOU MEET THE PREREQUISITES, I have no issues.

Chariot Combat (Sword and Fist p78)
Prerequisite: Handle Animal skill
Required for
Chariot Archery (SF) , Chariot Charge (SF) , Chariot Sideswipe (SF) , Chariot Trample (SF)

Chariot Archery
Prerequisite: Chariot Combat (SF), Handle animal skill

Chariot Sideswipe
Prerequisite: Chariot Combat (SF) , Handle Animal skill

Chariot Charge
Prerequisite: Chariot Combat (SF) , Handle Animal skill

Chariot Trample
Prerequisite: Chariot Combat (SF) , Chariot Sideswipe (SF) , Handle Animal skill

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Originally Posted by samduke

First things first When I mentioned that I needed to see how you get to become undead.

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Ok, will be doing that soon.

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Originally Posted by samduke

to emphAsisE this I am going to bOrrow from what burning spear placed in HIS application at one point

(inherited templates should be right at level 0, acquired templates I need to see where you become undead and what it is that caused it.

Spoiler: Level Progression

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Lady Sobek-Nepheru
Mulan Human Mummy

1) Militant Rogue 1
2) Cleric (Cloistered) 1
3) Human Paragon 1
4) Human Paragon 2
5) Human Paragon 3
6) Militant Rogue 2
7) Militant Rogue 3
8) Militant Rogue 4
9) Divine Oracle 1
10) Fighter 1
11) Contemplative 1
12) Glorious Servitor 1
13) Glorious Servitor 2
14) Glorious Servitor 3
15-18) Mummified Creature Template is an acquired template LA+4

I need this on your SHEETS

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Thanks for being the example!, lol, I feel honoured :smalltongue::smallbiggrin:
(Couldn't resist the typos/ spelling mistakes, lol.

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Originally Posted by samduke

Sword and Fist and the other non updated 3.0 materials, I have been fairly lax on 3.0 stuff so far and I am not going to change that.

Answer to question: IF YOU MEET THE PREREQUISITES, I have no issues.

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Thank you, thank you, thank you :)))))

So far it's looking a bit sparse;
Also, could our Esteemed Dm elaborate on her world and the local area/ city/ church/ religion etc? or are part of these things stuff that we need to find out ingame? We weren't "living" in a vacuum methinks, so a little knowledge, however outdated might be of use...

Player	Character	Race	Classes	Approved and or Statements
Burning Spear	Lady Sobek-Nepheru	Mulan Human Female Mummy	Cloistered Cleric 1/ Human Paragon 3/ Militant Rogue 4/ Divine Oracle 1/ Fighter 1/ Contemplative 1/ Glorious Servitor 3	Caster Lvl 5 base, Caster Lvl 8 Divination, Defensive Tank
Psycho Ban	Garg Harg-Darg	Human Male Ghost	Crusader 7/ Tainted Warrior 6	Languages/ Items?
Rilem	Sir Anger, (Holy Handgrenade)	Human Male Ghost	Crusader2/Fighter6/MotUH5/Ghost5	Is this using the Ghost template or the Savage Progression?Languages/ Items?
Paradox26	Varis	Gravetouched Ghoul Human	Wizard 5/Rogue 1/Unseen Seer 10	- - - - - - - - - -
Lioslaith	Tyrion Rawkin	Human Deathknight	Blackguard/Hexblade lvl's??	- - - - - - - - - -
Frendle				- - - - - - - - - -
Dusk Raven		??? Litch?		- - - - - - - - - -
Breitheamh	The Black Knight	Male Human Curst	Warblade 15	What the heck is that abomination of a sheet?
Auranghzeb				- - - - - - - - - -
Modigar				- - - - - - - - - -
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Hey! Sorry I hadn't put this here yet. Crazy weekend with my final assignments for the semester. Work in progress here: Black Knight who just wants King Arthur to finish the job

I guess I am the most serious one not based on some Monty Python sketch daftness :smallbiggrin:

My death knight doesn’t have any Monty python in him.

Mine is a serious character too. I will get a link up today.

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Originally Posted by Lioslaith

My death knight doesn’t have any Monty python in him.

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Nothing to really show for as yet so hard to tell 🤔🥴🤷🏼

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Originally Posted by paradox26

Mine is a serious character too. I will get a link up today.

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Thanks, makes me feel less like the odd one out I guess.

Well I did introduce my submission with a cowtapult, but he doesn't have to be silly.

Here is a link to my sheet. It is barely started right now, but I am working on it as we speak, so it will be updating progressively.

https://www.myth-weavers.com/sheets/?id=2900287

Sheet posting.

https://www.myth-weavers.com/sheets/?id=2897561

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Originally Posted by Burning Spear

So far it's looking a bit sparse;

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I've just been extremely tired. My sheet is actually mostly done, I just need to pick out equipment... and spells. Not looking forward to either pursuit.

I did, however, decide on build. As I mentioned, I was trying to decide between Wizard and Dread Necromancer. But then... an angel of knowledge appeared to me, and she said, “¿por qué no los dos?” And she gave knowledge of the Ultimate Magus prestige class. I knew then that she was full of wisdom, and I knew what I had to do. A class boosting both a prepared arcane class and a spontaneous arcane class was perfect for my character. Of course Merideath would wish to master all forms of arcane necromancy, as well as pursue both the direct power of the Dread Necromancer and the knowledge of a Wizard.

And I also decided on Lich for her. Sure, I have fewer spell levels, only going up to 6th in Wizard and 5th in DN - but that just means fewer spells to put in my spellbook, and besides, when else am I going to be allowed to play a Lich, or want to for that matter?

As I say, I just need spells and equipment. I know she won't be doing much undead creation, so she'll mostly be doing whatever damage or save-or-suck she can inflict with necromancy - along with some Lord of the Uttercold shenanigans, replacing the energy types of damage spells with half cold and half negative energy. ...I will try and keep that in check, as that's kind of bonkers for an all-undead party, and I'll shift away from that if samduke wishes.

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Originally Posted by Dusk Raven

I've just been extremely tired. My sheet is actually mostly done, I just need to pick out equipment... and spells. Not looking forward to either pursuit.

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That wasn't a specific dig at just you, it was more an observation to all players, as I had only 3 sheets and 10 players mentioning interest.. lol.

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Originally Posted by Burning Spear

That wasn't a specific dig at just you, it was more an observation to all players, as I had only 3 sheets and 10 players mentioning interest.. lol.

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Never interpreted it as such, just stating my own reasons for absence and saying that I'm still interested.

Also, have a WIP sheet. https://www.myth-weavers.com/sheets/?id=2898682