Erfworld Thread VII: No Consensus, Left Unsealed

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Originally Posted by ryuplaneswalker

Well remember Parson started the turn in Spacerock.

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No, he didn't. And Stanley was already gone by then.

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Originally Posted by ryuplaneswalker

However if Charlie is half as smart as we think he is, he is has his casters (jojo, TF2 Engi) doing surveillance in the MK, while veiled Archons keep an eye on Spacerock and GK, you would not want to miss the chance to Ambush Parson if he ends his turn in that Corridor from GK to Spacerock that GK has set up.

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Charlie can't have any veiled Archons within 6 hexes of any GK city without paying huge fines automagically. We wasn't paying those fines, so they must not be any Archons near Spacerock. I already said that Charlie would have surveillance of Parson in the MK, but that would make it less likely that Charlie would notice Stanley when he flew away from Spacerock, not more likely.

Not that it matters, but Parson would have had no reason to enter the tunnel. The portal for GK (the city) doesn't work anymore because it's not a capital. GK (the side) has only one portal; it takes people to and from Spacerock.

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Originally Posted by ryuplaneswalker

But we do know that Charlie keeps Veiled Archons "out in the world" so it is entirely plausable he knows that Stanley is not in Spacerock.

Also if you are planning an assault on your opponent's capital with the intent to Murder the crap out of the big boss man I would be keeping an eye on that capital so that I know the bossman is there.

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Sure, but with the treaty they cannot go nearer than 6 hexes to a town.
That would be a ring of 42 hexes to watch around each city.
Covering each of those hexes around Spacerock with say 2 Archons each
would require 84 Archons.
That seems a lot, given around 600 Archons to cover all of Erf.

Also, more scouts means more chances of them being spotted,
and CC might not have wanted that, for the duration of the treaty.

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Originally Posted by Lentrax

No consensus. Deliberation ongoing.

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So there is no consensus as to what should happen to this thread name when the thread is locked.

But there is a consensus that the current name reflects the lack of consensus in the Great Minds (aka the GM) as well as the lack of consensus as to whether the thread should be named after Vinnie or not.

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Originally Posted by keybounce

So there is no consensus as to what should happen to this thread name when the thread is locked.

But there is a consensus that the current name reflects the lack of consensus in the Great Minds (aka the GM) as well as the lack of consensus as to whether the thread should be named after Vinnie or not.

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It's a very good name. Does a lot.

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Originally Posted by Recaiden

It's a very good name. Does a lot.

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Yes, it's right up there with "We can't agree" or "I dunno". Truly the foremost bastion of wit and humor.


I'm just snippy my choice didn't win the vote. Ignore me.

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And it looks like Stanley got an even better deal then we thought :smallbiggrin:

I can hardly wait to see these guys in action...
and the faces of their opponents :smallamused:

Except the guns aren't shockamancy...

Magnets.

My understanding was that most Archons didn't carry guns, only the ones in Charlescomm HQ? These would have been ones that were already in the field.

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Originally Posted by Recaiden

Magnets.

My understanding was that most Archons didn't carry guns, only the ones in Charlescomm HQ? These would have been ones that were already in the field.

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Now that their existence is no longer a secret, that is most likely going to change.

Stanley seems to be doing a fine job of promoting Juggleo morale.

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Originally Posted by SZbNAhL

Except the guns aren't shockamancy...

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I'm not sure that's an issue yet. The guns aren't widely distributed: they're all kept at Charlescom (until the MK invasion). From all I can remember seeing, none of the field units would have them.

The issue then (it seems to me) would be whether archons could reach Stanley's present position, or his path back to Jetstone, from Charlescom in two or three turns.

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Originally Posted by Stegyre

The issue then (it seems to me) would be whether archons could reach Stanley's present position, or his path back to Jetstone, from Charlescom in two or three turns.

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I worry that with this newfound knowledge, Stanley won't be returning to the safety of his cities... :smalleek:

Treebeer! I love it! I almost burst out laughing as soon as I saw the name.

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Originally Posted by Dark Shadow

Treebeer! I love it! I almost burst out laughing as soon as I saw the name.

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I admit, I'm at a loss. The closest I could find was this? :smallconfused:



Stegyre: not getting the joke since 1966.

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Originally Posted by Stegyre

I admit, I'm at a loss. The closest I could find was this? :smallconfused:



Stegyre: not getting the joke since 1966.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treebeard

But with more partying.

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Originally Posted by DigoDragon

I worry that with this newfound knowledge, Stanley won't be returning to the safety of his cities... :smalleek:

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Ow dear.. Guess who has the most Isengard signamancy now..

Are the fireworks metaphorical? :smallwink:

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Originally Posted by Stegyre

The issue then (it seems to me) would be whether archons could reach Stanley's present position, or his path back to Jetstone, from Charlescom in two or three turns.

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Or could they capture Jetstone (or any other city he headed to) before he got there? Jetstone's tower was already worried that it was poorly defended.

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Originally Posted by DigoDragon

I worry that with this newfound knowledge, Stanley won't be returning to the safety of his cities... :smalleek:

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And yes, that's another potential problem. Charlie might have more than 3 turns to assemble an attack on Stanley if Stanley feels safe enough where he's at. The text said, "He'd planned to march these clowns to Spacerock over land..." but I think may have only referred to the fifteen of them that were promoted to knights and were supposed to go to Spacerock all along. The rest of the JEs would remain in the field wrecking things under the original plan. Maybe the plan changed once Stanley got the message from Sizemore, though. And Stanley did say, "Assuming we make it through our next turn..." as if he knew that they were in considerable danger where they were at.

The picture at the bottom should be after GK's turn, but I can't tell if they moved or not.

Seems to me that there's a likely twist I haven't seen mentioned. Namely, that Charlie doesn't give a rat's tail about Stanley and only opposed Gobwin Knob because of Parson. Parson is now MIA and (hopefully) Charlie doesn't know where, just that he escaped. The big C has a lot of damage control on his plate right now to worry about a tiny tyrant who has lost all of his key assets. Everybody is assuming Stanley is on the hit list because nobody in Erf considers anyone (even a chief warlord) to be more important than the Overlord.

Just imagine him looking up at the sky just waiting. And waiting. And waiting...

"Welp. I'm bored."

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Originally Posted by eschmenk

No, he didn't. And Stanley was already gone by then.



Charlie can't have any veiled Archons within 6 hexes of any GK city without paying huge fines automagically. We wasn't paying those fines, so they must not be any Archons near Spacerock. I already said that Charlie would have surveillance of Parson in the MK, but that would make it less likely that Charlie would notice Stanley when he flew away from Spacerock, not more likely.

Not that it matters, but Parson would have had no reason to enter the tunnel. The portal for GK (the city) doesn't work anymore because it's not a capital. GK (the side) has only one portal; it takes people to and from Spacerock.

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My mistake, however it doesn't really change the tactics.

Parson is in 1 of 2 places, Magic Kingdom or Spacerock

Charlie doesn't need to have archons in MK spying for him he has Jojo and TF2 Enginer guy.

and "Can't have Archons within 6 hexes of GK cities" just means he has them 7 hexes away, I also wasn't talking about the Tunnel in the Magic Kingdom I was talking about the Corridor That Ansom made going from GK lands straight into SpaceRock.

Of course, Charlie spying upon GK and knowing that Stanley is in the field is a tad moot with today's update.

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Originally Posted by Calemyr

Seems to me that there's a likely twist I haven't seen mentioned. Namely, that Charlie doesn't give a rat's tail about Stanley and only opposed Gobwin Knob because of Parson. Parson is now MIA and (hopefully) Charlie doesn't know where, just that he escaped. The big C has a lot of damage control on his plate right now to worry about a tiny tyrant who has lost all of his key assets. Everybody is assuming Stanley is on the hit list because nobody in Erf considers anyone (even a chief warlord) to be more important than the Overlord.

Just imagine him looking up at the sky just waiting. And waiting. And waiting...

"Welp. I'm bored."

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The thing is, that tiny tyrant without his key assets is still in charge of paying for the upkeep of said assets (Leaving aside for the moment that I'm pretty sure prisoners get their upkeep paid by their captors). Charlie can't find his primary target? Nuke the side, see how long Parson can genius it up when he has the daily struggle of keeping upkeep paid on himself and whoever was stacked with him at the time.

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Originally Posted by hajo

I can hardly wait to see these guys in action...

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Might want to take a closer look at the last picture. Third guy from the left.

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Originally Posted by NEO|Phyte

The thing is, that tiny tyrant without his key assets is still in charge of paying for the upkeep of said assets (Leaving aside for the moment that I'm pretty sure prisoners get their upkeep paid by their captors). Charlie can't find his primary target? Nuke the side, see how long Parson can genius it up when he has the daily struggle of keeping upkeep paid on himself and whoever was stacked with him at the time.

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But that would be costly. Super costly. Nuking the side by chopping it's head off will be a one time cost. If you keep blasting the side it's a ton of money each time which will let them pay upkeep regardless of having their cities hit over and over and over. It's a really bad idea to do a protracted war with the side you've got a truce against when that side can just sit and play defense and throw the money you're giving them back at the offense.

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Originally Posted by Calemyr

The big C has a lot of damage control on his plate right now to worry about a tiny tyrant who has lost all of his key assets.

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A lot of that damage control would consist of capturing Spacerock and getting the guns and killing anyone that Bonnie talked to or who might know what she said. That will be very expensive. Charlie will want to get his money back back by killing Stanley.

Do we know what will happen to Parson, Maggie and Jack if Stanley is killed while they are prisoners? Do they count as being out in the field? I think they would just become side-less, but I'm not certain. Transylvito is paying their upkeep, so that wouldn't be a concern.

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Originally Posted by Calemyr

Everybody is assuming Stanley is on the hit list because nobody in Erf considers anyone (even a chief warlord) to be more important than the Overlord.

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I think that's an absurd statement to make. Do you have any basis for it?

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Originally Posted by Razade

But that would be costly. Super costly. Nuking the side by chopping it's head off will be a one time cost. If you keep blasting the side it's a ton of money each time which will let them pay upkeep regardless of having their cities hit over and over and over. It's a really bad idea to do a protracted war with the side you've got a truce against when that side can just sit and play defense and throw the money you're giving them back at the offense.

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I thought Neo|Phyte was saying pretty much the same thing. I think he meant Parson by "primary target," not Stanley, if that's what you were thinking.

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Originally Posted by eschmenk

I thought Neo|Phyte was saying pretty much the same thing. I think he meant Parson by "primary target," not Stanley, if that's what you were thinking.

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Neo|Phyte can certainly clarify but we agree. Parson is the Primary Target. Neo|Phyte is saying, and again he can clarify if I'm wrong, that if he can't get Parson he's going to go after Stanley and the side.

I believe it has been mentioned that Parson has a really high upkeep. So Stanley is a viable target...

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Originally Posted by Tokay

Might want to take a closer look at the last picture. Third guy from the left.

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Tolkien never described how elves breed. Now we know! :smallsmile:

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Originally Posted by stsasser

Tolkien never described how elves breed. Now we know! :smallsmile:

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We know they can have children with humans so they've got to do it like we do.

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Originally Posted by Razade

We know they can have children with humans so they've got to do it like we do.

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Not necessarily. Kif from Futurama for example can have children with humans and in his case that works very differently.:smallbiggrin:
(Not that he qualifies in any way as a elf...)

I sadly only just realized the magnet miracle poles are a reference to the f***ing magnet song.

I was sort of expecting the Juggle elf advantage to be that their leadership is less centralized, so CharlesComm wouldn't be able to take them over the way he did with other natural allies.

I like this better, though. :smallbiggrin:

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Originally Posted by Kornaki

I sadly only just realized the magnet miracle poles are a reference to the f***ing magnet song.

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The song is called Miracles.