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If Charm Person fails...
My bard/wizard is in front of a guy. I cast Charm Person on that guy, and his saving throw succeeds. Now, if he isn't extremely stupid, he's just understood that I cast a spell on him, and it didn't work. Won't that make him extremely angry against me? If so, a failed Charm Person will almost always result in the contrary effect.
Another scenario. My bard is in front of a wizard. I cast Charm Person, and the saving throw fails. The wizard is Charmed, but he rolls a Spellcraft check and understands that I cast Charm Person. His aptitude should be friendly toward me, but he knows that is because of the spell, and therefore has really good reason to be angry against me and to avoid me. How does the spell work in this case?
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Re: If Charm Person fails...
Yep. Being obvious with Charm Person tends to be a bad idea.
Obviously, the Wizard tells himself, your friend cast Charm Person on you because it was the best thing for you in the circumstances. After all, he's your friend, right? He wouldn't do anything to harm you.
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#1. Charm Person isn't a good idea.
#2. Here's my combo of persuasion (both gestalt and non-gestalt)
Gestalt: Bard//Merchant 15/ Evangelist 5: Focus on Diplomacy, Knowledge: Nobility and Local, and Preformance: Oratory
Non-Gestalt: Merchant10/Bard5/Evangelist5: Same skill focuses, just without gestalt ease
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In the first scenario unless they have spellcraft they know you've cast a spell, but they don't know what. Pretty easy to convince them it was a mental buff spell.
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"I cast you a mental buff spell just because I really like you even if we've never met before, not a spell to convince you to give me that item for free..."
Is that a -50 to Bluff, or just a -40? :smallfrown:
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Re: If Charm Person fails...
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Originally Posted by
Pigkappa
"I cast you a mental buff spell just because I really like you even if we've never met before, not a spell to convince you to give me that item for free..."
Is that a -50 to Bluff, or just a -40? :smallfrown:
-∞ in my books.
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"There was a terrible curse on you! I had only a few moments left to cure it before it killed you!"
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Originally Posted by
Pigkappa
"I cast you a mental buff spell just because I really like you even if we've never met before, not a spell to convince you to give me that item for free..."
Is that a -50 to Bluff, or just a -40? :smallfrown:
I think you get this response.
Qui-Gon: Right, which one of you is in charge?
Droid: State your business.
Qui-Gon: Let these men go. We're taking them to Croissant.
Panaka: Coruscant.
Qui-Gon: What he said.
Droid: Under what authority?
Qui-Gon: Don't you recognise me? I'm your commander!
Droid: My commander is a droid.
Qui-Gon: I'm undercover.
Droid: What is your serial number?
Qui-Gon: It's... uh... I roll for Bluff!
GM: There aren't enough dice in the world. They draw their weapons.
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Bluff opposed by both Spellcraft and Sense Motive, I'm afraid...
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"Whoa, thanks for charming me. I'm worried I'd have been too quick to distrust you otherwise, and that would be a terrible thing to happen with a guy as nice as you."
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Originally Posted by
Saph
I think you get
this response.
Qui-Gon: Right, which one of you is in charge?
Droid: State your business.
Qui-Gon: Let these men go. We're taking them to Croissant.
Panaka: Coruscant.
Qui-Gon: What he said.
Droid: Under what authority?
Qui-Gon: Don't you recognise me? I'm your commander!
Droid: My commander is a droid.
Qui-Gon: I'm undercover.
Droid: What is your serial number?
Qui-Gon: It's... uh... I roll for Bluff!
GM: There aren't enough dice in the world. They draw their weapons.
I remember a story about a guy who tried to use a Bluff check to speak Elvish. He ended up telling an elven border guard that he had come to eat their children or something. :smallbiggrin:
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Still spell is excellent for this. Your words just suddenly seem unnaturally attractive.
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Originally Posted by
Manave_E_Sulanul
Still spell is excellent for this. Your words just suddenly seem unnaturally attractive.
Unfortunately, when you make a saving throw, you know someone tried to do something to do.
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Re: If Charm Person fails...
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Originally Posted by
Yuki_Akuma
Obviously, the Wizard tells himself, your friend cast Charm Person on you because it was the best thing for you in the circumstances. After all, he's your friend, right? He wouldn't do anything to harm you.
Eerie, yet accurate; this is exactly how I would play it.
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Originally Posted by
Manave_E_Sulanul
Still spell is excellent for this. Your words just suddenly seem unnaturally attractive.
Unless you also have silent spell, that feat that lets you hide the verbal components of spells in normal speech, or the skill trick that hides them both, your target will still notice you slipping "An Xen Ex!" or "Kal Vas Mani!" into regular conversation.
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Originally Posted by
Pigkappa
"I cast you a mental buff spell just because I really like you even if we've never met before, not a spell to convince you to give me that item for free..."
Is that a -50 to Bluff, or just a -40? :smallfrown:
In MMORPG's that tends to be how things work -_-
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If a wizard succeeded on his spellcraft to identify a charm person being cast on him, wouldn't he try to avoid and have the spell dispelled somehow - he might like them but he knows of the spell and its exact effects plus he has a high intelligence.
Finally why would you do it right in front of the target, charm person may only have a range of close but that is still at least 30 feet; do it from outside the shop before you come in, across the bar before you approach then its just a random person muttering to themselves and you can excuse looking at them weird as "eh its you i was trying to figure out if it was" or " do i know you ive been trying to figure out if i know you for ..."
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Originally Posted by
Optimystik
Eerie, yet accurate; this is exactly how I would play it.
Unless you also have silent spell, that feat that lets you hide the verbal components of spells in normal speech, or the skill trick that hides them both, your target will still notice you slipping "An Xen Ex!" or "Kal Vas Mani!" into regular conversation.
Conceal Spellcasting skill trick. "Hello there, barkeep, I say isn't the weather just *coughcharmpersoncough* wonderful?"
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Originally Posted by
Flickerdart
Conceal Spellcasting skill trick.
(a) That's the one I mentioned;
(b) Limited uses per day, so be careful who you discuss the weather with.
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Based on casting rules, IIRC: You see the caster speak some unintelligible words and make some complex gestures, then you feel an unknown malevolant force in your head but you manage to will it away.
Yeah, the caster isn't exactly looking like a saint here. Either you need some crazy bluff action and someone who has never seen a caster in their life, or it's time to fight.
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Originally Posted by
Optimystik
(a) That's the one I mentioned;
(b) Limited uses per day, so be careful who you discuss the weather with.
1/encounter, IIRC.
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Originally Posted by
Sinfire Titan
1/encounter, IIRC.
Out of combat, about 1/five minutes. So it is limited uses per day.
288 uses per day.
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If your spell fails, then it's Plan B. You do have a Plan B, right? Someone suggested taking advantage of the spell's range. Do that.
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Originally Posted by
Yuki_Akuma
Out of combat, about 1/five minutes. So it is limited uses per day.
288 uses per day.
Charm Person is an attack, making it the "encounter" ruling rather than the "minute" ruling. Better hope you don't have to charm two people in the same room.
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Originally Posted by
good_lookin_gus
If your spell fails, then it's Plan B. You do have a Plan B, right? Someone suggested taking advantage of the spell's range. Do that.
Isn't plan B always kill everyone?
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Originally Posted by
pffh
Isn't plan B always kill everyone?
:smallconfused:???
I thought that was the main objective.
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One could just use slight of hand to conceal the spellcasting without the trick.
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Originally Posted by
olentu
One could just use slight of hand to conceal the spellcasting without the trick.
But then you're still firmly speaking weird arcane gibberish halfway through the conversation.
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Originally Posted by
Yuki_Akuma
But then you're still firmly speaking weird arcane gibberish halfway through the conversation.
Claim it's a condition. If they question you on it, be hurt and offended. People have a desire to please, so if you act hurt, they're likely to drop it.
Unless, y'know, the DM doesn't want them to.
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Originally Posted by
Deth Muncher
Claim it's a condition. If they question you on it, be hurt and offended. People have a desire to please, so if you act hurt, they're likely to drop it.
Unless, y'know, the DM doesn't want them to.
You can have glibness up so that they believe you.:smallwink:
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I Would ask how they knew that you cast a spell on them and not on yourself, but apparently you feel "a malevolent force you will away" or something...
My favorite is stilled + silenced spell... you look "really hard" at him and thats all it takes to cast the spell.
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Originally Posted by
taltamir
I Would ask how they knew that you cast a spell on them and not on yourself, but apparently you feel "a malevolent force you will away" or something...
My favorite is stilled + silenced spell... you look "really hard" at him and thats all it takes to cast the spell.
Actually, you basically just stare off into space when you cast a stilled-silent spell with no material components. Which is why you still provoke an AoO.