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Dragon shaman don't know crap 'bout dragons
So dragon shaman are listed in their fluff as avid studiers of dragons.
Knowing things about dragons requires a knowledge(arcana).
Knowledge(arcana) is not on their skill list, not even on any of the specific totems gives knowledge(arcana) as a class skill. So these shaman who get their power from understanding of dragons, couldn't tell you the difference between a green dragon and an oversized gecko! What the what?
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Personally I have a houserule that Knowlege (Arcana) is a class skill for Dragon Shamans.
Becuase IMO, that's idiotic that they don't have it.
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Darth Stabber
So dragon shaman are listed in their fluff as avid studiers of dragons.
Knowing things about dragons requires a knowledge(arcana).
Knowledge(arcana) is not on their skill list, not even on any of the specific totems gives knowledge(arcana) as a class skill. So these shaman who get their power from understanding of dragons, couldn't tell you the difference between a green dragon and an oversized gecko! What the what?
Got a better one for you: Jade Phoenix Mage class skills.
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I didn't think they so much studied dragons as revered and worshipped them.
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Would you really want your dragon shaman to learn that dragons do not, in fact, emit a healing aura?
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Benly
Would you really want your dragon shaman to learn that dragons do not, in fact, emit a healing aura?
Or, for example, weren't the inventors of sliced bread, central heating, or indoor plumbing?
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Kalaska'Agathas
Or, for example, weren't the inventors of sliced bread, central heating, or indoor plumbing?
I hear dragons poo diamonds.
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Benly
I hear dragons poo diamonds.
Only after they've eaten larger diamonds.
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Bhaakon
Only after they've eaten larger diamonds.
Larger Diamonds are of course a staple of the Dragon diet, along with sheep, cabbage, and tea, which they have been known to brew in lakes heated by their fire breath.
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Kalaska'Agathas
and tea, which they have been known to brew in lakes heated by their fire breath.
Big enough dragons just use the whole plant, since it's easier than picking the leaves.
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Benly
I hear dragons poo Gnomes.
Fix'd? I'll give you message too short!
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Originally Posted by
Darth Stabber
So dragon shaman are listed in their fluff as avid studiers of dragons.
Knowing things about dragons requires a knowledge(arcana).
Knowledge(arcana) is not on their skill list, not even on any of the specific totems gives knowledge(arcana) as a class skill. So these shaman who get their power from understanding of dragons, couldn't tell you the difference between a green dragon and an oversized gecko! What the what?
FWIW, this got specifically addressed in the PHB2 errata file. Knowledge (arcana) is a class skill for all colors of dragon shaman.
Now, if only they'd done the same for Favored Souls and Knowledge (religion)...
"Yeah, I get all these spells and stuff from some big dude up in the sky. Dunno much about him though". :smallannoyed:
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That one may well be by design - being a favoured (iPod autocorrect tried to turn that into Gabonese and then cabooses) soul means a god chose you, rather than the other way around. He or she didn't necessarily ask you about it first.
The one that always amused me was Horizon Walkers not getting Kn:The Planes.
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I think my favorite wacky skill list is the Master Inquisitive, from ECS.
They're not missing anything in particular, but they have 6 + INT skills. And only 8 class skills. None of which are those nice wildcards like Craft or Profession or Speak Language. And the fluff is that they're real smart guys. So a Master Inquisitive who gets +3 skill points per level (anyone with 16 INT, or a human with 14 INT) is required to take cross-class skills.
I also find it annoying that Knights don't get Diplomacy.
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Heliomance
That one may well be by design - being a favoured (iPod autocorrect tried to turn that into Gabonese and then cabooses) soul means a god chose you, rather than the other way around. He or she didn't necessarily ask you about it first.
The one that always amused me was Horizon Walkers not getting Kn:The Planes.
And yet, your sorcerous bloodline (or just your raw awesomeness) didn't necessarily ask you if you wanted to be a Sorcerer, but Sorcs still get K: Arcana. And WotC kind of hates Sorcerers a little bit. Just sayin'.
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What amuses me is how Wu Jen know everything despite them never likely studying The Planes and Religion.
That reminds me, I once explained the knowledge skills to my brother and then told him about knowledge the planes skill.
He now thinks that angels and demons are Aeroplanes.
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Hazzardevil
What amuses me is how Wu Jen know everything despite them never likely studying The Planes and Religion.
That reminds me, I once explained the knowledge skills to my brother and then told him about knowledge the planes skill.
He now thinks that angels and demons are Aeroplanes.
Pray that he never learns about mariliths, lest he starts making "snakes on a plane" jokes.
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suszterpatt
Pray that he never learns about mariliths, lest he starts making "snakes on a plane" jokes.
He can make that joke anyway thanks to Yuan-Ti.
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Big Fau
He can make that joke anyway thanks to Yuan-Ti.
I didn't think they were Outsiders.
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Benly
I hear dragons poo diamonds.
Only white dragons. :smallwink:
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Grey McBannert
I didn't think they were Outsiders.
They're not- but in Ghostwalk, they have a demiplane of their own called Coil.
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Ah.
I guess "I'm tired of these gorram snakes on this gorram demi-plane" doesn't have quite the same ring to it.
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Grey McBannert
Ah.
I guess "I'm tired of these gorram snakes on this gorram demi-plane" doesn't have quite the same ring to it.
I don't know, it has a nice ring to it.
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Well sure, but everything has a better sound with more Firefly in it. :smalltongue:
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Heliomance
That one may well be by design - being a favoured (iPod autocorrect tried to turn that into Gabonese and then cabooses) soul means a god chose you, rather than the other way around. He or she didn't necessarily ask you about it first.
Yeah. maybe. It still seems weird, though, that after being touched by the divine, the class doesn't give you the option (barring one online ACF) to actually learn about where your powers are coming from without spending cross class skills. It also makes it unnecessarily hard, using the class as written, to get into 90% of divine PrCs. I personally believe it was an omission from when the class first appeared in Miniatures Handbook, and was reprinted in CD.
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Dragons are those mind reading jellyfish headed things that eat brains, right?
Or am I thinking of something else? :smallconfused:
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Zale
Dragons are those mind reading jellyfish headed things that eat brains, right?
Or am I thinking of something else? :smallconfused:
Yeah, you're thinking "octopus".
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This thread is highly amusing.
And I never noticed that about Favored Souls! Someone should be bonked on the head for that one.
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Zale
Why not a squid?
Because illithid head isn't elongated enough to be said to resemble a squid, in my opinion.
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Psyren
This thread is highly amusing.
And I never noticed that about Favored Souls! Someone should be bonked on the head for that one.
And they even had a chance to fix it when they reprinted in CDiv, that's gotta count double.
WotC employee "We're going to reprint Favored Soul in Complete Divine, do you need me to go over it to be sure it's ready to print again"
WotC boss "what, no we proofed it for Miniatures Handbook, why bother?"
To be fair if some one at WotC was bonked on the head every time they did something silly like that, the city of Renton, Washington would be the most brain damaged city in america, possibly the world.
Now that I think about it, I kinda like the idea of favored souls being clueless dupes.