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If we're doing the Class/Book/Tier/Role/Notes tables, I could go through the materials I'm familiar with tomorrow (probably Pact Magic classes, DSP srd, Arcana Evolved, Advanced Player's Manual; maybe a couple Mythic Vistas), but that's about all I can say from firsthand experience/observation (unless we're also going PF, but just seems like too much).
@OP Do you have access to all the materials listed, or is finding someone who does going to be a part of the indexing?
I have access to them all with the exception of the Sovereign Stone Campaign Setting, which I believe contains about 6 base classes.Quote:
Originally Posted by eggs
Would you mind removing the quote tags from the new list? If you quote a post with a quote in it, the quotes in the post aren't shown, to avoid a tunnel of quotes, meaning that people can't add on to your new, modified table, so they'd need to add them on manually.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suddo
Okay.
Here's what I have at hand (except Testament, but I'm burning out).
I'm ignoring Paragon classes because they work more like Prestige classes, and rarely have any meaningfully distinguishing characteristics. If anyone feels they should be included, feel free to toss them in.
I included a couple class variants that have huge alterations of play performance (Psychic Ranger, Psionic Soul Weaver, maybe something else) and that have different names (which might *sound* like big changes, until they're examined.
Spoiler{table=head] CLASS |BOOK |TIER |ROLE |NOTES
Devoted Psion |DSP-SRD |2 |Caster |Psion ACF - Specialist
Enlightened Monk |DSP-SRD |5 |Melee |Monk ACF; doesn't change much
Formbound Spiritist |DSP-SRD |2 |Caster |Psionic Druid (Summoning Focus)
Formbound Surger |DSP-SRD |2 |Caster |Psionic Druid (Animal Companion+Wild Surge)
Halo Knight |DSP-SRD |5 |Melee (Buffer) |Kensai as a base class with minor numeric buffs
Marksman |DSP-SRD |3 |Gish (Archery) |
Psychic Ranger |DSP-SRD |3 |Gish (Skills) |Very low optimization floor
Society Mind |DSP-SRD |2 |Caster |Primarily buff/debuffs
Thoughtsinger |DSP-SRD |3 |Buffer |Psionic Bard
Worldthought Medic |DSP-SRD |2 |Caster |Focused buffing
Augur |DSP-SRD |3 |Caster (NPC) |Slow-progress manifesting
Eldritch Weaver |Advanced Players Manual|2 |Caster |Alternate Wizard; lacks splat support
Evangelist |Advanced Players Manual|3 |Buffer |Divine Bard-type
Scout |Advanced Players Manual|4 |Skillmonkey |Alter Self: the base class
Spellmaster |Advanced Players Manual|1 |Caster |Blue Mage; skill-based casting
Thanemage |Advanced Players Manual|4 |Gish |SotAO-type
Warpriest |Advanced Players Manual|3 |Gish (Divine) |Nerfed melee Cleric
Psychic |Advanced Players Manual|4 |Skillmonkey |Fighter-style class design for APM's alternate psionic system
Akashic |Arcana Evolved |5 |Skillmonkey |Knowledge Emphasis
Champion |Arcana Evolved |5 |Melee |
Greenbound |Arcana Evolved |2 |Caster |Healing Focus
Mage Blade |Arcana Evolved |3 |Gish |Bog-standard gish
Magister |Arcana Evolved |2 |Caster |Wizard analog; limited spell list
Oathsworn |Arcana Evolved |5 |Melee |Monk analog; ritual progression, but too late
Ritual Warrior |Arcana Evolved |4 |Melee |ToB-type with more limited options
Runethane |Arcana Evolved |2 |Caster |Bog-standard AE caster, but with traps
Totem Warrior |Arcana Evolved |4 |Melee |Animal Lord as a base class
Unfettered |Arcana Evolved |5 |Melee |Another crappy Swashbuckler
Warmain |Arcana Evolved |6 |Melee |Fighter, with preselected crappy feats
Witch |Arcana Evolved |3 |Caster |Strongly encourages gishing
Runeblade|Experimental Might |3 |Melee |More of a Summoner in practice
Empyrean Monk |Secrets of Pact Magic |3 |Melee |Monk/Binder-type
Foe Hunter |Secrets of Pact Magic |3 |Skillmonkey |Ranger/Assassin/Binder-type
Occult Priest |Secrets of Pact Magic |2 |Caster |Divine Crusader/Binder-type
Pact Warrior |Secrets of Pact Magic |3 |Melee |Slow bind progression
Soul Weaver |Secrets of Pact Magic |1 |Caster |Wizard/Binder; turns spells into Su abilities
Psionic Soul Weaver |Secrets of Pact Magic |2 |Caster |Psion/Binder; limited powers known
Spirit Binder |Secrets of Pact Magic |2 |Caster |ToM Binder-analog
Unbound Witch |Secrets of Pact Magic |2 |Caster |Wilder/Geomancer/Binder-type
Warbinder |Secrets of Pact Magic |3 |Buffer |Shares/transfers Granted abilities among allies
Exorcist |Villains of Pact Magic |3 |Caster |Beguiler-styled casting from Exorcism-themed list (w/ domains)
Muse |Villains of Pact Magic |2 |Caster |Sorcerer/Binder; severely limited spell access; lots of randomness
Ravaged Soul |Villains of Pact Magic |3 |Melee |Angsty Doctor Who fanfic: the base class
Templar |Villains of Pact Magic |3 |Melee |SLAs make Shadowcaster look like marathon runner
Gladiator |Eternal Rome (MV) |5 |Melee |
Charioteer |Trojan War (MV) |6 |Melee |
Dedicated Warrior |Trojan War (MV) |6 |Melee |
Magician |Trojan War (MV) |2 |Caster |core wizard with a hacked spell list
Priest |Trojan War (MV) |2 |Caster |skill-based spell failure, way too many high-level slots
Godi |Frost & Fur |2 |Caster |Tweaked Cleric
Vitki |Frost & Fur |3 |Buffer |Crummy War Weaver in a can
Voela |Frost & Fur |3 |Caster |Good effects, LOOONG casting time; situationally spans T2 to T5
Angakoq |Frost & Fur |2 |Caster |Ghostish druid
Cossack |Frost & Fur |6 |Melee |
Koldun |Frost & Fur |2 |Caster |Limited spell list, but Polymorph/Planar Binding emphases
Volkov |Frost & Fur |2 |Caster |Cleric/Druid-type
Courtier |Rokugan CS |5 |Skillmonkey |Built for Diplomancy w/ Built-in Leadership
Ninja |Rokugan CS |5 |Melee |Sneak Attack fighter with numeric boosts (speed, init)
Inkyo |Rokugan CS |6 |Melee |Monk, minus class abilities
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Added the description, will put up a list that is more inclusive tomorrow. Thanks for making it eggs :smallbiggrin:
Spoiler{table=head] CLASS |BOOK |TIER |ROLE |NOTES
Devoted Psion |DSP-SRD |2 |Caster |Psion ACF - Specialist
Enlightened Monk |DSP-SRD |5 |Melee |Monk ACF; doesn't change much
Formbound Spiritist |DSP-SRD |2 |Caster |Psionic Druid (Summoning Focus)
Formbound Surger |DSP-SRD |2 |Caster |Psionic Druid (Animal Companion+Wild Surge)
Halo Knight |DSP-SRD |5 |Melee (Buffer) |Kensai as a base class with minor numeric buffs
Marksman |DSP-SRD |3 |Gish (Archery) |Psionic character with archery focus
Psychic Ranger |DSP-SRD |3 |Gish (Skills) |Very low optimization floor
Society Mind |DSP-SRD |2 |Caster |Primarily buff/debuffs
Thoughtsinger |DSP-SRD |3 |Buffer |Psionic Bard
Worldthought Medic |DSP-SRD |2 |Caster |Focused buffing
Augur |DSP-SRD |3 |Caster (NPC) |Slow-progress manifesting
Eldritch Weaver |Advanced Players Manual|2 |Caster |Alternate Wizard; lacks splat support
Evangelist |Advanced Players Manual|3 |Buffer |Divine Bard-type
Scout |Advanced Players Manual|4 |Skillmonkey |Alter Self: the base class
Spellmaster |Advanced Players Manual|1 |Caster |Blue Mage; skill-based casting
Thanemage |Advanced Players Manual|4 |Gish |SotAO-type
Warpriest |Advanced Players Manual|3 |Gish (Divine) |Nerfed melee Cleric
Psychic |Advanced Players Manual|4 |Skillmonkey |Fighter-style class design for APM's alternate psionic system
Akashic |Arcana Evolved |5 |Skillmonkey |Knowledge Emphasis
Champion |Arcana Evolved |5 |Melee |Paladin variant with ideal-dependent abilities (not always good)
Greenbound |Arcana Evolved |2 |Caster |Healing Focus
Mage Blade |Arcana Evolved |3 |Gish |Bog-standard gish
Magister |Arcana Evolved |2 |Caster |Wizard analog; limited spell list
Oathsworn |Arcana Evolved |5 |Melee |Monk analog; ritual progression, but too late
Ritual Warrior |Arcana Evolved |4 |Melee |ToB-type with more limited options
Runethane |Arcana Evolved |2 |Caster |Bog-standard AE caster, but with traps
Totem Warrior |Arcana Evolved |4 |Melee |Animal Lord as a base class
Unfettered |Arcana Evolved |5 |Melee |Another crappy Swashbuckler
Warmain |Arcana Evolved |6 |Melee |Fighter, with preselected crappy feats
Witch |Arcana Evolved |3 |Caster |Strongly encourages gishing
Runeblade|Experimental Might |3 |Melee |More of a Summoner in practice
Empyrean Monk |Secrets of Pact Magic |3 |Melee |Monk/Binder-type
Foe Hunter |Secrets of Pact Magic |3 |Skillmonkey |Ranger/Assassin/Binder-type
Occult Priest |Secrets of Pact Magic |2 |Caster |Divine Crusader/Binder-type
Pact Warrior |Secrets of Pact Magic |3 |Melee |Slow bind progression
Soul Weaver |Secrets of Pact Magic |1 |Caster |Wizard/Binder; turns spells into Su abilities
Psionic Soul Weaver |Secrets of Pact Magic |2 |Caster |Psion/Binder; limited powers known
Spirit Binder |Secrets of Pact Magic |2 |Caster |ToM Binder-analog
Unbound Witch |Secrets of Pact Magic |2 |Caster |Wilder/Geomancer/Binder-type
Warbinder |Secrets of Pact Magic |3 |Buffer |Shares/transfers Granted abilities among allies
Exorcist |Villains of Pact Magic |3 |Caster |Beguiler-styled casting from Exorcism-themed list (w/ domains)
Muse |Villains of Pact Magic |2 |Caster |Sorcerer/Binder; severely limited spell access; lots of randomness
Ravaged Soul |Villains of Pact Magic |3 |Melee |Angsty Doctor Who fanfic: the base class
Templar |Villains of Pact Magic |3 |Melee |SLAs make Shadowcaster look like marathon runner
Gladiator |Eternal Rome (MV) |5 |Melee |Another crappy fighter variant, but at least it has flavor
Charioteer |Trojan War (MV) |6 |Melee |Crappy fighter with a chariot. If you're ridiculously creative it doesn't suck too much.
Dedicated Warrior |Trojan War (MV) |6 |Melee |Self-buffing fighter with divine theme (no casting though).
Magician |Trojan War (MV) |2 |Caster |core wizard with a hacked spell list
Priest |Trojan War (MV) |2 |Caster |skill-based spell failure, way too many high-level slots
Godi |Frost & Fur |2 |Caster |Tweaked Cleric
Vitki |Frost & Fur |3 |Buffer |Crummy War Weaver in a can
Voela |Frost & Fur |3 |Caster |Good effects, LOOONG casting time; situationally spans T2 to T5
Angakoq |Frost & Fur |2 |Caster |Ghostish druid
Cossack |Frost & Fur |6 |Melee |High skill fighter with horse-related abilities.
Koldun |Frost & Fur |2 |Caster |Limited spell list, but Polymorph/Planar Binding emphases
Volkov |Frost & Fur |2 |Caster |Cleric/Druid-type
Courtier |Rokugan CS |5 |Skillmonkey |Built for Diplomancy w/ Built-in Leadership
Ninja |Rokugan CS |5 |Melee |Sneak Attack fighter with numeric boosts (speed, init)
Inkyo |Rokugan CS |6 |Melee |Monk, minus class abilities
Levite Priest|Mythic Vistas: Testament|2|Spellcaster|Re-flavored cleric with a nerfed spell list
Psalmist|Mythic Vistas: Testament|2|Spellcaster (Buffer/Healer)|Another nerfed cleric. Has some neat abilities also.
Khery-Heb|Mythic Vistas: Testament|1|Spellcaster|Wizard with more class features, including scribing divine scrolls. Very broken.
Magus of the Starry Host|Mythic Vistas: Testament|1|Spellcaster|SpellcasterAlternate wizard with reflavoring. A total pain to play since he has to pilgrimage to learn a significant amount of spells.
Qedeshot|Mythic Vistas: Testament|2|Skill monkey/Gish|Sort of a prostitute bard with more spells. Potentially awkward to play...
Spy|Mythic Vistas: Testament|3|Gish, Sneak|Spellcasting rogue/monk.
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Note that there's also an Exorcist: Power Class which is, as far as I can tell, a cleric which gets slightly fewer spells but has bonus turn attempts and nifty things it can do with those turn attempts.
The exorcist is included on the 1st page, which is the complete list. The one above still leaves out quite a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by shadow_archmagi
Added in Testament. Some tiers are iffy though.
I browsed a couple other books to get through some more of the bigger chunks. I didn't realize how many Paladin-clones Arcanis had. :smalleek: A couple look kind of fun, though (Twilight Warrior especially)
Spoiler
{table=head] CLASS |BOOK |TIER |ROLE |NOTES
Agent |Northern Crown |4 |Skillmonkey |Nerfed Rogue
Natural Philosopher |Northern Crown |1 |Caster |Extraordinary casting from a decent list
Raider |Northern Crown |4 |Melee |Barbarian-type with minor buffs, better skills
Rake |Northern Crown |5 |Melee |Swashbuckler-type; really weird save/BA progression
Scout |Northern Crown |5 |Skillmonkey |Noncasting Ranger/Rogue with weird Combat Style feats
Soldier |Northern Crown |5 |Melee |Fighter with more limited feat selection
Witch |Northern Crown |2 |Caster |Really good at buffing other witches.
Holy Champion (Philosophic Warrior) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|5 |Melee (Skilled)|Paladin-type skillmonkey
Holy Champion (Bearer of Woe) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|4 |Melee |Fist of the Forest/Paladin-type; gains bonuses with damage received
Holy Champion (Knight of Twelve Oaks) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|5 |Melee |Paladin-type; spell-sharing with allies
Holy Champion (Beltinian Hospitaler) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|4 |Melee |Paladin-type with improved casting
Holy Champion (Twilight Warrior) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|4 |Melee (Skilled)|Rogue+Shadowdancer+Paladin+Shadow Conjurations; no UMD
Holy Champion (Sentinel of the Blazing Wyrm)|Player's Guide to Arcanis|5|Melee |Paladin-type with weak blast-oriented alterations
Holy Champion (Storm Lord) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|4 |Melee |Paladin-type with, some useful debuff/teleport effects
Holy Champion (Harbinger of the Dawn) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|5 |Melee |Lawful Paladin, eventually with lots of smites
Holy Champion (Fatespinner) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|4 |Melee |Paladin-type; Reroll-oriented class features
Holy Champion (Deathbringer) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|5 |Melee |Evil Paladin-type with debuffing class features
Holy Champion (Holy Judge) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|4 |Melee |Lawful Paladin-type
Holy Champion (Verdant Champion) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|4 |Melee |Paladin-type with druid spells
Holy Champion (Tainted Keeper) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|4 |Melee |Paladin-type focused on Demon hunting; gains abilities of a chosen demon
Holy Champion (Sea Lord) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|3 |Melee (Skilled)|Paladin-type with a slowly-developing mini-shapechange
Patrician |Player's Guide to Arcanis|5 |Skillmonkey |Social skillmonkey with built-in Leadership (not factored in Tier)
Priest |Player's Guide to Arcanis|2 |Caster |Basically a Cleric minus armor, plus minor numeric party buffs[/table]
EDIT: Spoilered
I personally really like Arcanis' Paladin clones. They're relatively high powered for melee and quite flavorful. Arcanis has a couple other classes from Campaign supplements, which I put below.
Spoiler{table=head] CLASS |BOOK |TIER |ROLE |NOTES
Occisor|Arcanis - Psionics Unbound|4|Gish/Skillmonkey|A rogue-esque soulknife variant that doesn't utterly suck.
Rhi'zen|Arcanis - Psionics Unbound|3|Psionics/Melee|Monk flavored Psychic Warrior.
Swamp Lord of Pit Sseth|Arcanis - Psionics Unbound|1|Spellcaster/Manifester|Weird class that can cast and manifest. Only gets up to 7th level spells........and powers.
Mist Wanderer|Arcanis-Psionics Unbound|3|Manifester/Skillmonkey|A rogue flavored manifester with Psionic Warrior manifesting progression.
Conflagration Knight|Arcanis-Theocracy of Canceri|4|Melee|A paladin with fire.
Nerothian Reaper|Arcanis-Theocracy of Canceri|3|Melee|A necromantic paladin with animating abilities.
Sarishan Knife|Arcanis-Theocracy of Canceri|4|Melee/Sneak|An assassin class with Ranger spellcasting progression.[/table]
Bam. Also, I'm getting Sovereign Stone in a week or so (ordered it via Amazon) which should complete the initial list of base classes.
Spoiler{table=head] CLASS |BOOK |TIER |ROLE |NOTES
Devoted Psion |DSP-SRD |2 |Caster |Psion ACF - Specialist
Enlightened Monk |DSP-SRD |5 |Melee |Monk ACF; doesn't change much
Formbound Spiritist |DSP-SRD |2 |Caster |Psionic Druid (Summoning Focus)
Formbound Surger |DSP-SRD |2 |Caster |Psionic Druid (Animal Companion+Wild Surge)
Halo Knight |DSP-SRD |5 |Melee (Buffer) |Kensai as a base class with minor numeric buffs
Marksman |DSP-SRD |3 |Gish (Archery) |Psionic character with archery focus
Psychic Ranger |DSP-SRD |3 |Gish (Skills) |Very low optimization floor
Society Mind |DSP-SRD |2 |Caster |Primarily buff/debuffs
Thoughtsinger |DSP-SRD |3 |Buffer |Psionic Bard
Worldthought Medic |DSP-SRD |2 |Caster |Focused buffing
Augur |DSP-SRD |3 |Caster (NPC) |Slow-progress manifesting
Eldritch Weaver |Advanced Players Manual|2 |Caster |Alternate Wizard; lacks splat support
Evangelist |Advanced Players Manual|3 |Buffer |Divine Bard-type
Scout |Advanced Players Manual|4 |Skillmonkey |Alter Self: the base class
Spellmaster |Advanced Players Manual|1 |Caster |Blue Mage; skill-based casting
Thanemage |Advanced Players Manual|4 |Gish |SotAO-type
Warpriest |Advanced Players Manual|3 |Gish (Divine) |Nerfed melee Cleric
Psychic |Advanced Players Manual|4 |Skillmonkey |Fighter-style class design for APM's alternate psionic system
Akashic |Arcana Evolved |5 |Skillmonkey |Knowledge Emphasis
Champion |Arcana Evolved |5 |Melee |Paladin variant with ideal-dependent abilities (not always good)
Greenbound |Arcana Evolved |2 |Caster |Healing Focus
Mage Blade |Arcana Evolved |3 |Gish |Bog-standard gish
Magister |Arcana Evolved |2 |Caster |Wizard analog; limited spell list
Oathsworn |Arcana Evolved |5 |Melee |Monk analog; ritual progression, but too late
Ritual Warrior |Arcana Evolved |4 |Melee |ToB-type with more limited options
Runethane |Arcana Evolved |2 |Caster |Bog-standard AE caster, but with traps
Totem Warrior |Arcana Evolved |4 |Melee |Animal Lord as a base class
Unfettered |Arcana Evolved |5 |Melee |Another crappy Swashbuckler
Warmain |Arcana Evolved |6 |Melee |Fighter, with preselected crappy feats
Witch |Arcana Evolved |3 |Caster |Strongly encourages gishing
Runeblade|Experimental Might |3 |Melee |More of a Summoner in practice
Empyrean Monk |Secrets of Pact Magic |3 |Melee |Monk/Binder-type
Foe Hunter |Secrets of Pact Magic |3 |Skillmonkey |Ranger/Assassin/Binder-type
Occult Priest |Secrets of Pact Magic |2 |Caster |Divine Crusader/Binder-type
Pact Warrior |Secrets of Pact Magic |3 |Melee |Slow bind progression
Soul Weaver |Secrets of Pact Magic |1 |Caster |Wizard/Binder; turns spells into Su abilities
Psionic Soul Weaver |Secrets of Pact Magic |2 |Caster |Psion/Binder; limited powers known
Spirit Binder |Secrets of Pact Magic |2 |Caster |ToM Binder-analog
Unbound Witch |Secrets of Pact Magic |2 |Caster |Wilder/Geomancer/Binder-type
Warbinder |Secrets of Pact Magic |3 |Buffer |Shares/transfers Granted abilities among allies
Exorcist |Villains of Pact Magic |3 |Caster |Beguiler-styled casting from Exorcism-themed list (w/ domains)
Muse |Villains of Pact Magic |2 |Caster |Sorcerer/Binder; severely limited spell access; lots of randomness
Ravaged Soul |Villains of Pact Magic |3 |Melee |Angsty Doctor Who fanfic: the base class
Templar |Villains of Pact Magic |3 |Melee |SLAs make Shadowcaster look like marathon runner
Gladiator |Eternal Rome (MV) |5 |Melee |Another crappy fighter variant, but at least it has flavor
Charioteer |Trojan War (MV) |6 |Melee |Crappy fighter with a chariot. If you're ridiculously creative it doesn't suck too much.
Dedicated Warrior |Trojan War (MV) |6 |Melee |Self-buffing fighter with divine theme (no casting though).
Magician |Trojan War (MV) |2 |Caster |core wizard with a hacked spell list
Priest |Trojan War (MV) |2 |Caster |skill-based spell failure, way too many high-level slots
Godi |Frost & Fur |2 |Caster |Tweaked Cleric
Vitki |Frost & Fur |3 |Buffer |Crummy War Weaver in a can
Voela |Frost & Fur |3 |Caster |Good effects, LOOONG casting time; situationally spans T2 to T5
Angakoq |Frost & Fur |2 |Caster |Ghostish druid
Cossack |Frost & Fur |6 |Melee |High skill fighter with horse-related abilities.
Koldun |Frost & Fur |2 |Caster |Limited spell list, but Polymorph/Planar Binding emphases
Volkov |Frost & Fur |2 |Caster |Cleric/Druid-type
Courtier |Rokugan CS |5 |Skillmonkey |Built for Diplomancy w/ Built-in Leadership
Ninja |Rokugan CS |5 |Melee |Sneak Attack fighter with numeric boosts (speed, init)
Inkyo |Rokugan CS |6 |Melee |Monk, minus class abilities
Levite Priest|Mythic Vistas: Testament|2|Spellcaster|Re-flavored cleric with a nerfed spell list
Psalmist|Mythic Vistas: Testament|2|Spellcaster (Buffer/Healer)|Another nerfed cleric. Has some neat abilities also.
Khery-Heb|Mythic Vistas: Testament|1|Spellcaster|Wizard with more class features, including scribing divine scrolls. Very broken.
Magus of the Starry Host|Mythic Vistas: Testament|1|Spellcaster|SpellcasterAlternate wizard with reflavoring. A total pain to play since he has to pilgrimage to learn a significant amount of spells.
Qedeshot|Mythic Vistas: Testament|2|Skill monkey/Gish|Sort of a prostitute bard with more spells. Potentially awkward to play...
Spy|Mythic Vistas: Testament|3|Gish, Sneak|Spellcasting rogue/monk.
Agent |Northern Crown |4 |Skillmonkey |Nerfed Rogue
Natural Philosopher |Northern Crown |1 |Caster |Extraordinary casting from a decent list
Raider |Northern Crown |4 |Melee |Barbarian-type with minor buffs, better skills
Rake |Northern Crown |5 |Melee |Swashbuckler-type; really weird save/BA progression
Scout |Northern Crown |5 |Skillmonkey |Noncasting Ranger/Rogue with weird Combat Style feats
Soldier |Northern Crown |5 |Melee |Fighter with more limited feat selection
Witch |Northern Crown |2 |Caster |Really good at buffing other witches.
Holy Champion (Philosophic Warrior) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|5 |Melee (Skilled)|Paladin-type skillmonkey
Holy Champion (Bearer of Woe) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|4 |Melee |Fist of the Forest/Paladin-type; gains bonuses with damage received
Holy Champion (Knight of Twelve Oaks) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|5 |Melee |Paladin-type; spell-sharing with allies
Holy Champion (Beltinian Hospitaler) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|4 |Melee |Paladin-type with improved casting
Holy Champion (Twilight Warrior) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|4 |Melee (Skilled)|Rogue+Shadowdancer+Paladin+Shadow Conjurations; no UMD
Holy Champion (Sentinel of the Blazing Wyrm)|Player's Guide to Arcanis|5|Melee |Paladin-type with weak blast-oriented alterations
Holy Champion (Storm Lord) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|4 |Melee |Paladin-type with, some useful debuff/teleport effects
Holy Champion (Harbinger of the Dawn) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|5 |Melee |Lawful Paladin, eventually with lots of smites
Holy Champion (Fatespinner) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|4 |Melee |Paladin-type; Reroll-oriented class features
Holy Champion (Deathbringer) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|5 |Melee |Evil Paladin-type with debuffing class features
Holy Champion (Holy Judge) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|4 |Melee |Lawful Paladin-type
Holy Champion (Verdant Champion) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|4 |Melee |Paladin-type with druid spells
Holy Champion (Tainted Keeper) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|4 |Melee |Paladin-type focused on Demon hunting; gains abilities of a chosen demon
Holy Champion (Sea Lord) |Player's Guide to Arcanis|3 |Melee (Skilled)|Paladin-type with a slowly-developing mini-shapechange
Patrician |Player's Guide to Arcanis|5 |Skillmonkey |Social skillmonkey with built-in Leadership (not factored in Tier)
Priest |Player's Guide to Arcanis|2 |Caster |Basically a Cleric minus armor, plus minor numeric party buffs
Occisor|Arcanis - Psionics Unbound|4|Gish/Skillmonkey|A rogue-esque soulknife variant that doesn't utterly suck.
Rhi'zen|Arcanis - Psionics Unbound|3|Psionics/Melee|Monk flavored Psychic Warrior.
Swamp Lord of Pit Sseth|Arcanis - Psionics Unbound|1|Spellcaster/Manifester|Weird class that can cast and manifest. Only gets up to 7th level spells........and powers.
Mist Wanderer|Arcanis-Psionics Unbound|3|Manifester/Skillmonkey|A rogue flavored manifester with Psionic Warrior manifesting progression.
Conflagration Knight|Arcanis-Theocracy of Canceri|4|Melee|A paladin with fire.
Nerothian Reaper|Arcanis-Theocracy of Canceri|3|Melee|A necromantic paladin with animating abilities.
Sarishan Knife|Arcanis-Theocracy of Canceri|4|Melee/Sneak|An assassin class with Ranger spellcasting progression.
Beholder Cultist|Complete Guide to Beholders|2|Alt. spellcaster|Uses beholder rays in a manner similar to spells. Essentially a nerfed wizard with different flavor.
Blood Druid|Complete Guide to Drow|1|Spellcaster|Evil wizard alternative
Assassin|Master Class-Assassin's Handbook|4|Gish/Skillmonkey/Sneak|Re-flavored rogue with death strike abilities.
Witch|Master Class-Witch's Handbook|2|Spellcaster|Re-flavored wizard with transmutation focus. Basically an alter self monster. Tier 2 because no conjuration.
Shaman|Master Class-Shaman's Handbook|1|Spellcaster/Buffer|Basically the exact same thing as a cleric, but with more druidic flavor.
Cavalier|Master Class-Cavalier's Handbook|4|Melee|Fighter with progression picked out. More class features so it is more playable then a fighter.
Dark Heart|Dezzavold-Fortress of the Drow|4|Melee|Barbarian with more class features and much darker fluff.
Netherstrider|Dezzavold-Fortress of the Drow|4|Melee|Wild and uncivilized unarmed fighter. Full BAB with Flurry of Blows though!
Yogi|Complete Guide to Rakshasas|3|Gish/Buffer|Complete Guide to Rakshasas|Decent class, like a monk with Bard spellcasting progression.
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Okay, put all the tables so far together.
Added in Master Classes (except Avatar's handbook. I don't have that one) and a few classes from racial supplements.
Put the table on the 1st page also. Anyone willing to do the Power Classes?
This is getting me to look at a lot of classes I wouldn't otherwise. The Yogi and the Swamplord are pretty cool.
And looking over the Blood Druid's summoning, that is crazy. :smalleek:
Sure! I was just working on those. :smallsmile:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vilpich
Also Darkness & Dread's monster-fodder classes:
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{table=head] CLASS |BOOK |TIER |ROLE |NOTES
Assassin |Power Classes: Assassin |5 |Melee |Sneak attack with double damage after study
Gladiator |Power Classes: Gladiator |6 |Melee |Warrior class with ability to perform in combat
Exorcist |Power Classes: Exorcist |1 |Caster |Cleric, plus class features, including lots of Turning
Noble |Power Classes: Noble |5 |Skillmonkey |Diplomancer with built-in Leadership
Knight |Power Classes: Knight |6 |Melee |Chronically ripped off & bossed around as class features?
Artificer |Power Classes: Artificer |2 |Caster |Sorcerer with dirt-cheap Golems; UMD abilities, no UMD skill (???)
Hedge Wizard |Power Classes: Hedge Wizard |2 |Caster |Slow-advancement Wizard gish
Explorer |Power Classes: Explorer |6 |Melee |Having a map: the base class
Pirate |Power Classes: Pirate |5 |Melee |Knowledge monkey, eventually gets Water domain spells as Ex ability
Alchemist |Power Classes: Alchemist |2 |Caster |Item Creation, no-save death poison and Polymorph Any Object at low levels
Cabalist |Power Classes: Cabalist |1 |Caster |Skill-based casting without spell level caps
Fool |Power Classes: Fool |5 |Skillmonkey |Mostly dead levels, compelling dip - mass Antagonise and huge Thrown weapon volley.
Acolyte |Darkness & Dread |3 |Caster |Defensive buffer; 10-level class
Alchemist |Darkness & Dread |3 |Caster |Battlefield Control; 10-level class
Antiquarian |Darkness & Dread |5 |Skillmonkey |Minor UMD abilities; 5-level class
Apprentice |Darkness & Dread |2 |Caster |Wizard-type with limited list, UMD; 10-level class
Artisan |Darkness & Dread |6 |Skillmonkey |Somewhat variable skill list; 5-level class
Beggar |Darkness & Dread |6 |Skillmonkey |Crappy class, decent skills; 5-level class
Engineer |Darkness & Dread |6 |Cannonfodder |Focused on smashing objects; 5-level class
Gambler |Darkness & Dread |5 |Skillmonkey |Metagamey dice manipulation; 5-level class
Grave Robber |Darkness & Dread |6 |Cannonfodder |Ain't afraid of no ghosts; 5-level class
Grifter |Darkness & Dread |5 |Skillmonkey |Diplomancy, Force self-destructive actions; 5-level class
Herbalist |Darkness & Dread |3 |Caster |Buffer/healer; 10-level class
Kennelmaster |Darkness & Dread |6 |Cannonfodder |Handle animal bonuses; 5-level class
Medium |Darkness & Dread |5 |Skillmonkey |Monster-detection+UMD; 5-level class
Merchant |Darkness & Dread |6 |Skillmonkey |Treats markets as twice as wealthy; 5-level class
Minstrel |Darkness & Dread |6 |Skillmonkey |Bard-type, toned down; 5-level class
Physician |Darkness & Dread |6 |Healer |Wisdom-based Lay on Hands x2; 10-level class
Pit Fighter |Darkness & Dread |6 |Melee |Barbarian/Rogue, toned way down; 5-level class
Prospector |Darkness & Dread |5 |Skillmonkey |Trap specialist, reroll features; 5-level class
Sage |Darkness & Dread |5 |Skillmonkey |Variable skill list, big knowledge bonuses; 5-level class
Sewerjack |Darkness & Dread |5 |Melee |Tough defenses, little else; 5-level class
Thief |Darkness & Dread |5 |Skillmonkey |Sneak attack, decent skills; 5-level class
Tracker |Darkness & Dread |5 |Skillmonkey |Utility feats, ranged sneak attack; 10-level class
Veteran |Darkness & Dread |5 |Melee |Fighter, minus hald a feat; 10-level class
Worker |Darkness & Dread |6 |Cannonfodder |Variable skill list, physical ability increases; 5-level class
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After leafing though Dragonmech and Chaos Mage, I think I'm going to avoid the weird systems until I have a chance to play with them. I'll look at the Mythic Vistas next.
Most mythic vistas are done, except Medieval Player's Handbook and (should we include this?) Red Star. My next step is going to be to add the Legends & Lairs "Path of X" supplements, the WoW Campaign Setting for d20, and do Nyambe - African Adventures' alternative classes.
As for the yogi, I've actually played one - a yaksha elf yogi 3. It got slaughtered when the party attacked an aurak draconian way earlier when they were supposed to (they tried to immobilize it with web and then set the web on fire...but the aurak could teleport. 4 out of 6 of the players died, and that's because I was nice and didn't use my breath weapon at the end) but pre-death it was a very fun class to play.
EDIT: I can do Dragonmech. I've run two separate campaigns with it actually, and Chaos Mage is pretty easy: straight up Tier 1. It's ridiculously powerful.
Okay, added in Blackmoor, Swashbuckling Adventures, Wilderlands of High Fantasy, and Iron Kingdoms.
There's something weird going on with the tables' sort function. It looks like it's clustering our entries separately, probably due to spacing. Not anything to worry about now, but once this is done, it'd be really handy to be able to sort by Role and Tier.
Anyway, here are the MVs, before I have to step out into anything new:
Spoiler{table=head]CLASS |BOOK |TIER |ROLE |NOTES
Cunning Man |Mythic Vistas: Midieval Player's Manual|4 |Crafter |Numeric buffing, social skills, UMD
Natural Magician|Mythic Vistas: Midieval Player's Manual|2 |Caster |Learn any Arcane spells; severely limited spell frequency
Theurge |Mythic Vistas: Midieval Player's Manual|2 |Caster |Learn spells from any list, cast at low CL/DC
Priest |Mythic Vistas: Midieval Player's Manual|1 |Caster |Slightly nerfed Cleric; can compel sinners to do penance
Saint |Mythic Vistas: Midieval Player's Manual|4 |Caster |Very specific healing, curses, divinations and misc. miracles
Canonist |Mythic Vistas: Midieval Player's Manual|4 |Skillmonkey |Diplomancer with new ways to break social skills
Scholar |Mythic Vistas: Midieval Player's Manual|6 |Skillmonkey |Specialist in the Philosphical Dispute subsystem (seriously)
Artist |Mythic Vistas: Midieval Player's Manual|6 |Skillmonkey |Specialist in the Art subsustem
Buccaneer |Mythic Vistas: Skull & Bones |6 |Melee |Weak sniper with melee area fear attack at level 11
Sea Dog |Mythic Vistas: Skull & Bones |6 |Melee |Gets pretty good at Profession (Sailor)
Shantyman |Mythic Vistas: Skull & Bones |5 |Buffer |Gets Bard's music, not much else
Bokor |Mythic Vistas: Skull & Bones |3 |Caster |Voodoo Sorcerer-types; damaged by casting; highly limited high-level slots
Hougan |Mythic Vistas: Skull & Bones |3 |Caster |Voodoo Cleric-types; High level spells (7+) may require quests
Noble |Mythic Vistas: SpirosBlaak |5 |Skillmonkey |Social character with Leadership (not factored in tier)
Pirate |Mythic Vistas: SpirosBlaak |4 |Melee |Panic with Demoralize, Charisma to AC; otherwise a crummy fighter rehash
Prophet |Mythic Vistas: SpirosBlaak |2 |Caster |Spontaneous cleric-type
Technologist |Mythic Vistas: SpirosBlaak |3 |Crafter |Build items with low-level spell effects
Adept |Masque of the Red Death |2 |Caster |Wizard-type with skill-based failure mechanic, long casting time, lots of skill points
Charlatan |Masque of the Red Death |3 |Caster |Bard-style casting with skill-based failure mechanic, long casting time
Metaphysician |Masque of the Red Death |2 |Caster |Wizard-type with skill-based failure mechanic, obnoxiously long casting time, lots of skill points
Occultist |Masque of the Red Death |2 |Caster |Wizard-type with skill-based failure mechanic, long casting time
Athlete |Masque of the Red Death |6 |Melee |Fighter-type with a crummier feat list
Explorer/Scout |Masque of the Red Death |5 |Melee |Fighter-type with Ranger skills and class features available
Shootist |Masque of the Red Death |5 |Melee |Fighter-type with preselected feats (workable but bizarre advancements)
Soldier |Masque of the Red Death |5 |Melee |Core fighter with extra skills
Intellectual |Masque of the Red Death |6 |Skillmonkey |Lots of Skill Focus: Knowledge; not a lot else.
Parson |Masque of the Red Death |6 |Cannonfodder |Class features like the cleric's, without the spells (the -4 penalty adds insult to injury)
Physician |Masque of the Red Death |6 |Skillmonkey |10+Int skill points look interesting. Rigid skill lists and no class features do not. (And a Code of Conduct! :p)
Scholar/Scientist|Masque of the Red Death |6 |Skillmonkey |10+Int skill points with no class features and 5 Knowledges as class skills
Mystic |Masque of the Red Death |2 |Caster |Cleric-type with a skill-based failure mechanic, long casting time
Medium |Masque of the Red Death |2 |Caster |Cleric-type with a skill-based failure mechanic, long casting time, talks to ghosts
Shaman |Masque of the Red Death |2 |Caster |Cleric-type with a skill-based failure mechanic, long casting time, Druid's minor class features
Spiritualist |Masque of the Red Death |2 |Caster |Cleric-type with a skill-based failure mechanic, obnoxiously long casting time
Sleuth |Masque of the Red Death |6 |Skillmonkey |Detection-based skills, Evasion as single notable class feature
Criminal |Masque of the Red Death |5 |Skillmonkey |Trapfinding, Evasion and slow sneak attack progression
Dandy |Masque of the Red Death |6 |Skillmonkey |10+Int skill points, with a monthly diplomacy bonus.
Journalist |Masque of the Red Death |6 |Skillmonkey |The skill list you'd expect, and a couple bonuses to those checks.
Tradesman |Masque of the Red Death |6 |Skillmonkey |Lots of bonuses to Profession and Craft
Mechanic |Masque of the Red Death |6 |Skillmonkey |A couple bonuses to Craft
Performer |Masque of the Red Death |5 |Skillmonkey |Bardic Music
Assassin |Thieves' World |5 |Melee |Sneak with bonus prereq feats and sneak attack
Godsworn |Thieves' World |3 |Melee |Wisdom-synergy like mad. 9th level casting from limited list, long casting times
Initiate |Thieves' World |3 |Gish |Very limited spontaneous(ish) spells, but wide list choice, 6+Int skills
Mage |Thieves' World |2 |Caster |Intelligence-based Spontaneous caster
Noble |Thieves' World |5 |Skillmonkey |Diplomacy focus, minor buffs/debuffs, Leadership (not factored in Tier)
Priest |Thieves' World |2 |Caster |Spontaneous(ish) Cleric
Ranger |Thieves' World |5 |Skillmonkey |No spells, more combat styles
Savant |Thieves' World |6 |Skillmonkey |Various minor skill bonuses, Skill Mastery at ECL 2
Survivor |Thieves' World |6 |Melee |Either the offensive or defensive Monk traits, and then not all
Witch |Thieves' World |2 |Caster |Spontaneous Charisma-based caster; Druid/Sorcerer-like spell list
Academician |Mythic Vistas: Black Company |5 |Skillmonkey |Gradually customizable skill list, lots of skill bonuses
Berserker |Mythic Vistas: Black Company |4 |Melee |Barbarian with Trapsense swapped for Cleave and Intimidate features
Jack-of-All-Trades|Mythic Vistas: Black Company |4 |Skillmonkey |Customizable skill list, lots of bonus feats, including temporary feat slots
Noble |Mythic Vistas: Black Company |5 |Skillmonkey |Diplomacy focus, minor buffs, Leadership (not factored in Tier)
Scout |Mythic Vistas: Black Company |5 |Skillmonkey |Sniping focus; fighter feats, sudden strike
Thief |Mythic Vistas: Black Company |5 |Skillmonkey |Rogue, minus UMD and ACFs
Weapon Master |Mythic Vistas: Black Company |5 |Melee |Monk-type abilities, bigger numbers, action point-based movement
Zealot |Mythic Vistas: Black Company |5 |Melee |The most times Toughness ever appeared in a base class, but a nice frenzy
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I'm starting to wonder if there are any D&D writers who didn't sit down and say "let's write a class about social skills and give it a bunch of rubbish powers, but tag Leadership on, just to play it safe." :smalltongue:
EDIT:
Missed Black Company. I'll get that, Thieves World and Masque of the Red Death next.
EDIT2:
Added to this post's chart. And seriously. Two more Diplomacy+Leadershippers.
Yeah...whenever I got to one of those I called it a "Social/skillmonkey" role. I just...can't imagine why anyone thought a class thats main feature was leadership would help anyone...Quote:
Originally Posted by eggs
In other news, I ran into a problem while Tiering the mech pilot. As a class by itself the mech pilot has next to no abilities...except for when he's in a mech, at which point he's like upper Tier 2. I think I'm going to go through and find WBL and an average mech that corresponds to that wealth, and assume that's the mech the mech pilot has....
EDIT: Not sure why the tables aren't letting us reorganize :smallfrown:
EDIT #2: Put the above list onto the main table. Still need to do Warcraft, Thieve's World, Dragonstar, Dragonmech, Path of X, some Encyclopaedia Arcane classes, and Avalance Press (:smallmad:)...should Iron Heroes be included?
EDIT #3: put in some minor classes from random supplements. Discovered that the complete guide to wererats has some base classes....
Anyone know any classes that aren't on the table and I haven't already mentioned?
There is a Bio-Psion class in Dragonstar - Player's Companion and some classes in Elements of Magic book series.
Thanks :smallsmile: Putting them in now. Any idea what Tier the alternate mage classes from Elements of Magic are?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sdonourg
Tossing in a couple more.
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{table=head]CLASS |BOOK |TIER |ROLE |NOTES
Gamba Fighter |Nyambe: African Adventures |5 |Melee |Fighter with half feats, Barbarian traits like speed, skills, DR
Mchawi Wizard |Nyambe: African Adventures |1 |Caster |Wizard spell list, Necromancy specialization, Reincarnates after dying
Nanala Rogue |Nyambe: African Adventures |4 |Skillmonkey |Rogue with Bonus feats, flexibly-ordered class features
N'anga Cleric |Nyambe: African Adventures |1 |Caster |Influenced by spirit after spellcasting (as Binder's RP), choose between Druid/Cleric spells, choose between shapeshifting, turning and plant immunities
Sei Sorcerer |Nyambe: African Adventures |2 |Caster |Sorcerer casting, a couple spells-known taxes, gain dragon-modeled abilities (DCs need fixing)
Animal Lord |Sorcery & Steam |4 |Melee |Barbarian-type with skill-based Rage-type. Can get Pounce or Trip (as wolf) at level 1
Artificer |Sorcery & Steam |5 |Skillmonkey |Builds inexpensive nonmagical items, large bonuses to disable device
Musketeer |Sorcery & Steam |5 |Melee |Feats from a relevant list, mobility skills
Thaumaturgist |Book of Fiends |1 |Caster |Cleric casting with familiar, daily free action summons and random deformations
Nomad |Nile Empire |6 |Melee |Gain AC and Attack bonuses with each attack per round
Scribe |Nile Empire |6 |Skillmonkey |Has Contacts, a weird mix of unarmed combat feats and a framework that can't use them
Trader |Nile Empire |6 |Skillmonkey |Bonus skill points as a class feature; still comes up shy of 6+Int skill classes
Arcane Mekanic |Iron Kingdoms |3 |Crafter |Builds/uses steampunk components of IK, Bard-rate prepared spells from Wizard list
Bodger |Iron Kingdoms |5 |Skillmonkey |Craft-focus; all about quick-and-dirty toolmaking and repairs
Fell Caller |Iron Kingdoms |4 |Buffer |Bardic Music, plus a variety of offensive mind-effects (Area fear and confusion, blasting)
Gun Mage |Iron Kingdoms |3 |Gish |Delivers spells with bullets, built-in Arcane Strike
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I think Iron Kingdoms is at least as good a fit as a bunch of things on the list - it doesn't even change the casting mechanics in ways like Arcana Evolved or Thieves' World. I only know the core book classes, though. I tossed those in, and will see if I can track down any more (if there are any more) later on.
Sadly, no. I have almost no sense of balance, so I wanted to hear other people's opinions :smallsmile:.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vilpich
There are Magic of Arcanis's base classes.
AEG's Magic has a bunch of extra mages. Most are essentially Sorcerer/Wizard variants, but there are some neat things like a Monk-type with Strength-based spells.
I can get both of those. I'm starting to dig this Arcanis setting (never noticed it before).
Yeah..i hadn't looked at it much before but it's pretty sick. And I have big plans for those holy warrior guys :smallwink:Quote:
Originally Posted by eggs
If we're going comprehensive, I know Lion's Den Press has a few not listed here:
Psionic Knight, Cavalier, Assassin, Fiendblade, Witch and Priest of the Celestial Spheres. I've only read the last one.
Spoiler{table=head]CLASS |SOURCE |TIER |ROLE |NOTES
Altherian Artificer |Magic of Arcanis |3 |Skillmonkey |Trap/breaking-stuff specialist; robot companion; useful Item creation at levels 13+; Wizard-light spell list at Bard rate
Hedge Mage |Magic of Arcanis |2 |Caster |Spontaneous Wisdom casting counts as Arcane & Divine
Shaman |Magic of Arcanis |2 |Caster |Spontaneous Divine caster manipulates spirits; spell list is mix of Cleric/Druid
Spellblade |Magic of Arcanis |4 |Gish |Standard, if uninspired, gish. 3/4 BA and caps at 4th level spells at level 10.
Suromar |Magic of Arcanis |3 |Gish |Psion-hunter with Bard spell progression. Abilities to block mental effects, deny psionic focus, Improved Evasion for Will, act before Initiative as a capstone
Warder |Magic of Arcanis |3 |Gish |Ranger-like gish; Damage/skill bonuses in favored terrain and Ranger-like bonus feats, Bard-rate casting from defensive Druid/Sorcerer mashup spell list
Chronomancer |Magic (AEG) |1 |Caster |Wizard with additional time-themed spells, rerolls
Elemental Adept |Magic (AEG) |1 |Caster |Wizard with growing elemental companion and a minor elementally-themed power
Totemist |Magic (AEG) |2 |Caster |Eccentric spontaneous divine caster with interesting spell list, craft totems for minor metamagic-like effects
Flesh Mage |Magic (AEG) |2 |Caster |Spontaneous buffer/debuffer ignores SR, Dispels
Mage Smith |Magic (AEG) |2 |Caster |Constitution-based sorcerer with crafting emphasis, make weapons that deal alternate damage types, Cleric chassis
Arcane Monk |Magic (AEG) |3 |Gish |Unarmed combat with Strength-based casting from a solid gish list
Adept of the Awakened Eye|Magic (AEG) |2 |Caster |Madness-themed spontaneous caster ignores SR, Dispels; buff/mass debuff/battlefield control spell list, can burn spell slots/add casting time to ramp up caster level
Number Magician |Magic (AEG) |1 |Caster |Wizard with extra metamagic, metamagic cost reducers for specified targets, treat dice rolls as natural 20s
Runewright |Magic (AEG) |2 |Caster |Arcane-like spontaneous Wisdom caster, can add scroll-like enhancements to items/weapons that activate on use; spell list like Wizard, minus the summons/morphs
Shadow Mage |Magic (AEG) |2 |Caster |Arcane-like spontaneous Wisdom caster, Spell failure chance in light, spell list with shadow and manipulation themes (which apparently include Divine Favor/Power)
Tinker |Magic (AEG) |2 |Caster |Crafter with trapfinding makes inexpensive Robots, prepared spells (limited but versatile selection from Wizard list)
Thaumaturge |Magic (AEG) |1 |Caster |Wizard with access to ALL spells, gains domains, cannot use metamagic
Witch |Magic (AEG) |1 |Caster |Spell-point caster selects spells known from Sorcerer/Druid lists, access to free-form impromptu spell effects
Holy Warrior |Book of the Righteous |5 |Melee |3.0 Paladin with a few extra ability options, but its own highly limited spell list
Priest of the Celestial Spheres|Classes of Legend: Priest of the Celestial Spheres |2 |Caster |AD&D-styled Divine Caster whose spells are determined by Sphere selection (more elaborate domain-style thematic groups)
Arcane Healer |Penumbra: Occult Lore |5 |Healer |NPC class prepares healing spells/defensive buffs very slowly
Computer |Penumbra: Occult Lore |5 |Caster |NPC class with UMD, useful skills, Divination SLAs available a couple levels early
Astrologer |Penumbra: Occult Lore |1 |Caster |Prepared caster with modified Wizard list (Improved Conjuration, nerfed Evocation and Illusion); invoking spells needs to be altered to take the spells' normal casting times
Elementalist |Penumbra: Occult Lore |2 |Caster |Elemental Wizard, become Elemental, cast from Elementally-themed spell list
Gleaner |Penumbra: Occult Lore |5 |Caster |Trap spirits of dead characters in items; eventually gain ability to emulate trapped souls' abilities (skills, base attack), spam low-level spell effects
Sympathetic Caster |Penumbra: Occult Lore |1 |Caster |Freeform Spell-point casting, within specified domains (eg. "Animals" or "Transformation")
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It's a shame most of Magic is horribly imbalanced; the Arcane Monk and Runewright are pretty cool.
I like the Flesh Mage too as a sort of buffer wizard, and the arcane monk is cool especially since it's actually balanced.Quote:
Originally Posted by eggs
I found a few articles on the Lion's Den Press classes but no downloads
...not that I would ever use 4shared to download books because that would be unethical.
I did not see the kingdom of kalamar Players guide (kenzer and co) classes
Basarian Dancer
Brigand
Gladiator
Infiltrator
Shaman
Spellsinger
The book describes them as "variant" classes per DMG but they are full classes
That would be the worst thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vilpich
Good catch!Quote:
Originally Posted by hydraa
Spoiler{table=head]CLASS |SOURCE |TIER |ROLE |NOTES
Basiran Dancer |Player's Guide to the Sovereign Lands (Kalamar) |4 |Gish |Alternate Bard with Two-Weapon Fighting feats and a very limited spell list
Brigand |Player's Guide to the Sovereign Lands (Kalamar) |5 |Melee |Combat Rogue with preselected combat feats replacing skills and unique class features
Gladiator |Player's Guide to the Sovereign Lands (Kalamar) |5 |Melee |Attack of Opportunity and feint specialist; high-DC area fear attack at high levels; morale attack bonus per log10 spectators
Infiltrator |Player's Guide to the Sovereign Lands (Kalamar) |5 |Skillmonkey |Wilderness Rogue, but speed bonus instead of certain skills, special abilities
Shaman |Player's Guide to the Sovereign Lands (Kalamar) |1 |Caster |Alternate Druid; gain bonuses and shapeshifting according to selected totem animal; Druid spell list+domains
Spellsinger |Player's Guide to the Sovereign Lands (Kalamar) |2 |Caster |Primarily arcane spontaneous caster with eclectic spells list, access to Sonic spells from any list. (Sonic spells from divine lists cast as divine)
Watchman |Player's Guide to the Sovereign Lands (Kalamar) |5 |Melee |Spell-less Urban Ranger. Variable bonus feat list and Favored Enemy-type bonuses against criminals
Noble |All for One & One for All |6 |Skillmonkey |Gets party invitations as a class feature
Priest |All for One & One for All |6 |Skillmonkey |Certain 1st level Cleric spells as SLAs up to 3/day; if it sinks 20ish skill points, can get party invitations as class feature
Soldier |All for One & One for All |4 |Melee |Counts as Fighter, but gets extra bonus feats, including leadership, as well as a military division as a class feature
Shaman |Aztecs: Empire of the Dying Sun |4 |Caster |Divine spells up to 7th level from very short list; Mostly cures, plant-tending and Summon Nature's Ally
Nagual |Aztecs: Empire of the Dying Sun |-- |Caster |Spontaneous arcane casting from ANY spell list, force rerolls, large daily skill bonuses, capstone is omnipotence
Noble Knight |I, Mordred: The Fall & Rise of Camelot |5 |Melee |Fighter with 4 feats replaced with Paladin class features
Totem Speaker |Transcendence (Arcana Evolved) |3 |Gish |Geomancer-like base class; Skill points based on Wisdom, 7th level spells at ECL 20
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Dear Avalanche Press,
What is wrong with you? :smallannoyed:
XOXO
-eggs
I find it hard to believe Avalanche Press creates work of such...abysmal quality..................Quote:
Originally Posted by eggs
On another note, Arcana Unearthed got it right I think, and I now have access to Sovereign Stone :smallbiggrin: