Re: Do gnomes or halflings look like children?
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Honest Tiefling
Why are you allowing this? Why are you associating with this person? JUST WHY
Dude... you gotta learn to accept a world-view other than your own, even when it clashes with your particular morals.
Not everyone has the same notions of political correctness as you.
@gogogome, it's serious insofar as some people get inordinately riled up over being PC. You are the one who is interacting directly with that person and so are the best judge of what is or isn't creepy. There is such a thing as "common sense", even if the internet likes to ignore its existence a lot.
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I don't see what the big deal is. I'm a bit of a Lolicon myself, we're not pedophiles (MOST of us atleast >_>) we just like cute smaller girls over cow-uddered sacks of fat.
i agree with the 2 strikes, if he tries to be creepy about it, warn him.
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The word has a bad stigma attached to it. It's not a big deal unless he makes it creepy though. There is nothing wrong with liking cute things after all.
Actually I personally think it's a bit ridiculous that people get up in arms over what others find attractive. As a random aside, my younger sister was married at age 21 and at the time she looked about 12-14 at the most. Her husband is a big tall lumberjack looking dude and they regularly were mistaken for father and daughter instead of husband and wife (which they sometimes used to creep out people who made the mistake by suddenly making out in public). Anyway, my point is he clearly finds his wife attractive and there is nothing wrong with that because regardless of her looks she is an adult and married.
Re: Do gnomes or halflings look like children?
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Chronikoce
The word has a bad stigma attached to it. It's not a big deal unless he makes it creepy though. There is nothing wrong with liking cute things after all.
Actually I personally think it's a bit ridiculous that people get up in arms over what others find attractive. As a random aside, my younger sister was married at age 21 and at the time she looked about 12-14 at the most. Her husband is a big tall lumberjack looking dude and they regularly were mistaken for father and daughter instead of husband and wife (which they sometimes used to creep out people who made the mistake by suddenly making out in public). Anyway, my point is he clearly finds his wife attractive and there is nothing wrong with that because regardless of her looks she is an adult and married.
Personally, I think theres a certain creepiness involved in "i am roleplaying out my own sexual fantasy." Now maybe its completely innocuous and it isn't going to affect the game at all except in his mental picture of whats going on, but... I at least wouldn't be especially comfortable playing with that guy if I knew he was doing that.
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Keltest
Personally, I think theres a certain creepiness involved in "i am roleplaying out my own sexual fantasy."
There are (more than) two ways to look at the Player/Character relationship.
The first is the Player pretending to be the character. This is the default assumption with the idea of "role playing;" here's a role, play it. It's the "I want to be a badass," "I want to be a thief," "Wouldn't it be awesome if I could use magic?" attitude.
The second is the Player rooting for the character. The player doesn't see himself as the character, but it's someone he feels an emotional attachment towards. This is basically the concept of Moe put into a game, and it does not need to be sexual. As we are biologically wired to get attached to cute things (which is why the mascot of the WWF is a panda bear and not a cow), it makes perfect sense for someone approaching the game from this angle to choose a child character; it's very easy to get emotionally involved.
Re: Do gnomes or halflings look like children?
I think teenaged (or the equivalent in Halfling/Gnome years) Halflings and Gnomes would look like children to human eyes, but adult ones couldn't pass for children.
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Grod_The_Giant
Yeah, I'm inclined towards this view: if you're not going to enjoy playing with the person, don't play with them. And if you're not comfortable with a character concept, you are allowed to say no.
Totally agree. I don't know what a lolicon is and I don't want to even google this. It must be bad based on reactions here.
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Keltest
Personally, I think theres a certain creepiness involved in "i am roleplaying out my own sexual fantasy." Now maybe its completely innocuous and it isn't going to affect the game at all except in his mental picture of whats going on, but... I at least wouldn't be especially comfortable playing with that guy if I knew he was doing that.
Doesn't sound good.
But it is different than running a pixie courtesan in an Arduin Grimoire campaign back in the 70s. That was all business! haha
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It sounds like this player is asking to act out a sexual fantasy in your game.
If your game is not congruent with acting out sexual fantasies, then this is a HUGE red flag.
IMHO this is not limited to morally repugnant fantasies, it's about the comfort of everyone else at the table.
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FreddyNoNose
Totally agree. I don't know what a lolicon is and I don't want to even google this. It must be bad based on reactions here.
It's a word that's derived from the term 'Lolita Complex', which is a reference to the novel Lolita by Vladimir Nabokov where the narrator romantically and sexually pursues a twelve year old girl. The term has come to refer to highly sexualised depictions of underage girls in certain anime and manga.
In short, it is literally paedophilia.
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Scots Dragon
In short, it is literally paedophilia.
AFAICT it's a fetish specific to Anime, so it's not literally pedophilia -- just as enjoying western Romance novels isn't the same as literally enjoying rape -- but it's certainly not socially acceptable in general, and it's certainly a sexual fetish, so it's not going to be welcome in most games.
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Scots Dragon
It's a word that's derived from the term 'Lolita Complex', which is a reference to the novel Lolita by Vladimir Nabokov where the narrator romantically and sexually pursues a twelve year old girl. The term has come to refer to highly sexualised depictions of underage girls in certain anime and manga.
In short, it is literally paedophilia.
I didn't even think lolita. I was thinking something to do with lollypops!
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How do people keep finding these old threads to revive? O.o
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zergling.exe
How do people keep finding these old threads to revive? O.o
Frick if I know. What was that guy even searching to stumble upon this thread.
Also, due to the nature of this discussion... this is gonna get locked soooo fast.
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It's a shame that this thread was necro'ed and is at risk for getting locked because it genuinely gave me some insight on what I had planned for a game.
The original idea was to begin the campaign following the story of two child adventurers, deemed as "chosen" by one of the chief deities of my world and heralded by the empire in which they were born. Strangely enough the deity in question is the most well known one; she is a LG deity of light and protection, with the world itself named after her. So this goddess probably knew what she was doing in choosing to bless two children with her power.
Stories would tell of their exploits as they traveled the world, battled the enemies of the empire. Over time though they would come to understand how truly messed up their world was; the nation with which they warred wasn't the horrific evil they were taught about, the empire itself was arrogant wrought with corruption, and the kids were in fact used as tools to further their own ends. One thing leads to another and one of the children falls in with one of the BBEGs of the world. "I may be bad, but at least I was honest with you. And believe it or not, I do care for your well-being, unlike the wretched leaders of your country."
The campaign itself would involve the party of PCs in the aftermath of the empire being taken over and overwhelmed by evil; evil that the child had wrought following her corruption, with the remaining nations of the world banding together to fight this threat.
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zergling.exe
How do people keep finding these old threads to revive? O.o
People just don't see the dates... I didn't even realize that this was an old thread until I saw your post. It's actually not that hard of a mistake to make.
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The_Iron_Lord
People just don't see the dates... I didn't even realize that this was an old thread until I saw your post. It's actually not that hard of a mistake to make.
If you must respond to me pointing out the date, do it in a PM rather than bumping the thread again.
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The Mod Wonder: Hey, look, thread necromancy.
And, for the record, old threads pop up in search engines. I've encountered old stuff that way. Heck, I've gone looking for old stuff that way. There's a reason why we bap your nose, not crucify you, for thread necromancy.