Re: Disciple of Chaos [PrC]
Not bad crunch, but it desperately needs some fluff to round it out. Who are these guys?
Re: Disciple of Chaos [PrC]
I added lots of peanut-butter and fluff.
I also removed the sneak attack requirement because I thought it would be neat to let other classes than rogue or...ninja get it. Also: it's funnier.
Re: Disciple of Chaos [PrC]
It doesn't get a full spellcasting progression???????
I give you an A minus minus.
Re: Disciple of Chaos [PrC]
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Deepblue706
It doesn't get a full spellcasting progression???????
I give you an A minus minus.
The worst grade imaginable!?
Re: Disciple of Chaos [PrC]
force of chaos seems like the opposite of what you were going for, in a situation that unfolded completely on luck, you instead apply the actual roll. weren't you going for a chanced based class effect?
Re: Disciple of Chaos [PrC]
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CasESenSITItiVE
force of chaos seems like the opposite of what you were going for, in a situation that unfolded completely on luck, you instead apply the actual roll. weren't you going for a chanced based class effect?
That's how unpredictable they are.
Re: Disciple of Chaos [PrC]
Chaos Decay is... very powerful for taking on BBEGs and other tougher challenges.
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DracoDei
Chaos Decay is... very powerful for taking on BBEGs and other tougher challenges.
yeah, but at the same time BBEGs will have plenty of tricks that won't be affected, or at least not as much, by it. They'll have either more attacks per round than you will, spells that don't require attack roles or saves, more HP, and plenty of minions.
Plus, they could simply ignore you. Unless maybe you were a knight and kept challenging him...
Re: Disciple of Chaos [PrC]
How do you define "defeating an opponent by luck alone" exactly?
Other than that looks quite good to me. Then again I'm not an experienced critic.
Re: Disciple of Chaos [PrC]
Firstly: I would never play that. Secondly: Dangit, I wish I would. It looks very fun. And get your gruby paws off my cookbook, you oaf.
Re: Disciple of Chaos [PrC]
Pure awesome! Just enough good crunch to make people actually want to play it without it being a powergamer PrC. The only regret is that it's very bad for a caster. Maybe you could have the levels of sneak attack give your choice of +1d6 sneak attack OR +1 caster level, player's choice. With that change, I'd love to play a sorceror that goes into this in an average-power campaign. Also, I'd love to use this thing's abilities to screw with the Min/Maxers and powergamers I know.
Re: Disciple of Chaos [PrC]
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blue_fenix
Pure awesome! Just enough good crunch to make people actually want to play it without it being a powergamer PrC. The only regret is that it's very bad for a caster. Maybe you could have the levels of sneak attack give your choice of +1d6 sneak attack OR +1 caster level, player's choice. With that change, I'd love to play a sorceror that goes into this in an average-power campaign. Also, I'd love to use this thing's abilities to screw with the Min/Maxers and powergamers I know.
The class actually spawned from a rewrite of the Wild Mage PrC, so expect in addition to a new version of the Wild Mage, a special kind of version of this geared towards casters.
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How do you define "defeating an opponent by luck alone" exactly?
While it is exceptionally vague, basically, one shotting someone with a critical hit would count. Especially if you would have had no chance in beating them at all.
Or convincing the ogre that the people who ambushed his people went the other way, and when you succeed he runs off and falls into a ravine you didn't even know was there.
Use of your luck feats would count too, at least it would if I were DMing.
Re: Disciple of Chaos [PrC]
Needs more cowbell.
And more chaos. This class isn't capable of enough chaotic behavior. DoCs should have something utterly ridiculous and amazing - like, making Bluff checks as attack rolls.
You should also consider adding special functions to be used with insanity rules.
Re: Disciple of Chaos [PrC]
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Deepblue706
Needs more cowbell.
And more chaos. This class isn't capable of enough chaotic behavior. DoCs should have something utterly ridiculous and amazing - like, making Bluff checks as attack rolls.
You should also consider adding special functions to be used with insanity rules.
They already have all of that!
Re: Disciple of Chaos [PrC]
You should have it, when attack, it rolls percnetile, then consults a chart. Stuff like target is dazed, flatfooted, takes 2d6 precision damage, sickened, gets an AoO, you do damage equal to the line integral of an elf maiden's smaller breast, etc.
Seriously though, I like it. It would be a very, very good opponent to throw at the PCs, especially if they were power gamers.
Re: Disciple of Chaos [PrC]
Does anyone else think they should have a d20 HD, but perhaps for only even-numbered levels?
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Deepblue706
Does anyone else think they should have a d20 HD, but perhaps for only even-numbered levels?
Brilliant. And a d2 for odd-Numbered levels.:smallyuk:
Awesome class, by the way. I love it!:smallbiggrin: