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LGBT people in the playground
Well, given some recent facts (and some recent closet bashing as well :smalltongue: ), I've decided that it would be interesting for us, LGBT people in the playground to share some of our experiences.
Sharing our experiences might help eventual closeted LGBT people in the playground who doesn't want to reveal themselves for several (and valid reasons), but would like to read some advice and experiences from fellow LGBTs.
I'll also set up an anonymous e-mailer in a couple of hours so they can send their inquires to us to answer and help them.
Edit: Anonymous mailer set. Read the description below on how to use it.
Use the address below to send an anonymous message to be posted in this thread.
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Keep in mind that content which contain strong language may be filtered, and content that goes against the forum rules won't be posted at all.
Given that I only have access to that mailbox when at home, I'll only be posting them around 19:00 ~ 22:00 GMT - 2 time.
Enjoy. :smallsmile:
I also beg that we keep this topic free of politics and religion. It's beyond the scope of this thread to discuss whether LGBT is "right" or "not".
Let us not post sexually explicit content as well, okay?
Now, I belive I should also post some of my experiences in a form of background exposition.
*Warning, long post ahead*
I found out I was a transexual by the age of 5. I knew something was too wrong with my body, and I had first heard about the SRS surgery in a television program here in Brazil.
For some reason, I found out that it was the answer to my "problem".
As I grew up, I always had this feeling with me, but I also kept trying to suppress it. I was afraid I would lose my few friends, and my family support.
I feared that more than anything, but I knew I was a girl trapped in a boy body.
It was a most awful period, and that turned me into a really introverted person.
By the age of 15, when I was in high school, people started to "read" me, and perceived me as homosexual. Due to that, I was being constantly harassed by them. They couldn't accept me as I were, and I was too confused about everything to react.
There were a pair of bullies that made things even worse, as they sexually harassed me once in a science fair, trying to break my will (and they did).
That was the worst I ever went through as bigotry comes.
I denounced them to the school principal, but he did nothing regarding it.
Things got better at college.
I met new and interesting people and started to socialize more often. I got kissed for the very first time in my second year of college by a girl friend of mine.
Due to that, I decided to definitly suppress my transexuality and be a man. And as you can see, that didn't quite worked out as planned. :smalltongue:
Still, even if no one told me, I knew everyone at my course saw me as a homosexual. I could easily hear them talking about it and trying to gather clues that would lead them to my exposure.
By the end of of college, I had a girlfriend (my first one) and we moved together to the city I currently live on.
We lived together as a couple for about two and a half years as things went downhill. I didn't know how to be a man, and that made her really pissed off (for making a bad choice of a man. :smalltongue: )
We are still sharing the flat.
By that time (around july, 2005), the urge inside me became far too great for me to bear. I finally accepted that I was no man, and by november, 2005, I went after specialized help after having several mental breakups.
After 10 months of therapy, my psychiatrist put me together once again and I started to take the hormones.
Then I started to scatter hints here and there for my family to find out about my "condition".
I broke it out to my little brother in this very forum in the first GitP: Confessions and Secrets thread. :smallsmile:
Thanks to that, I grew enough confidence to break it out to more people, and be open about who I am.
From there on, there were several months until I came out to my mom. She confronted me about what was happening and I told her.
Recently, I came out to a few more family members.
That's my story. A bit dull and boring, but hopefully it'll be of help to someone around here. :smallsmile:
Also, I hope I were of help to those who came after me with their inquires, hoping for some small words of comfort.
Moderators, if you find that this topic is inappropriate, please, feel free to close and dump it.
Now, fellow LGBT people, please, share your experiences. They may be most valuable. :smallsmile:
Many thanks,
Beatrice.
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Re: LGBT people in the playground
Awwwwww, you listened to my expression of idle curiosity and turned it into reality. How kind:smallbiggrin: :smalltongue:
uh
hm
I'm not L, G, B or T, so I suppose I shall be making my exit...
Half of the Ts that I know of (I know of 4) have expressed "interest" in me, does that count?=P
>leaves<
>inconspicuously<
>out the window<
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Re: LGBT people in the playground
Well, this seems to be an on topic question, and thus I shall ask, what's LGBT? Wikipedia does not seem to know, and google gives me some belgian company's website. Strangely enough, I don't think you're talking about that website.
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Re: LGBT people in the playground
L - Lesbian
G - Gay
B - Bi
T - Transsexual
Although don't quote me on that. I'm not completely certain.
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Re: LGBT people in the playground
Wikipedia does indeed have an article on LGBT here.
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Castaras
L - Lesbian
G - Gay
B - Bi
T - Transsexual
Although don't quote me on that. I'm not completely certain.
You're right. Merry Christmas.
SMEE, that was beautiful. I hope your story brings hope and joy to many other transexuals.
As for me, although I'm only a young adolescent, I have known about my homosexuality for quite a while now. I hate it, at times, for the negative attention it brings me, but now I embrace my preferences, as I don't want to live a lie (though I actually am, having not told my parents). I don't really want to say a lot on the matter, because there is a chance that I am just "confused", and if I am, two years of my life have been for nothing, so that'd suck. At the moment, however, I am most definitely batting for the other team, and LOVIN' it! :smallsmile:
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As for myself, I've known about it for a while but I've only recently began to tell people, well, two people. So I'm very much still in the closet to my parents, family, and all my other acquaintances in school.
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Huh. I told some very close friends, and within 3.42 nanoseconds my entire year knew. :smallannoyed:. And within the hour the other two years on either side of mine do. A few days ago a Sixth Former asked me if I was that "gay guy".
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I trust my friends, and they said they won't say...
Though the most recent one I told did say there were rumours, I don't know who started it but it definitely wasn't the first person I told. However, I now understand why I get a few people in my year smirking at me as if thinking "I know something you don't know".
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Hey ya'll.
I haven't had the ease of transition and coping as other people have, but... perhaps for that reason, I should be honest and lay it all out.
I've lived in a small, stereotypical American/Christian/Southerner home and community all of my life. LGBT people weren't just unheard of- they were (and are!) often considered abberations. Deviants from the healthy norm. At least, that's the perception I saw in this place...
I'll try to be fair- I know that this is NOT the views of everyone who falls under those categories- again, this was simply the stereotype and view that I found to be common around me.
Of course, I was no different. In fact, my own hatred of such people was not just equal to that of others, but surpassed it. I was... very radical, to say the least. I'm not going into specifics, but all I can say is I'm ashamed of the way I thought...
Perhaps it was merely the suppressed personality I had. Maybe it was just curiosity, but I often found myself pretending to be the opposite gender online more often than I used my true physical gender. I probably researched GID and GRS more than anyone else out of "curiosity."
The signs have always been there. I just refused to admit them.
More recently, I joined these forums. I began hearing other people's views on LGBT people. I withheld my views, having had a few poorly ending arguments of this same thought process before. I didn't share their opinions, but I didn't shout out condemnations like I was formerly compelled to do.
I simmered in silence, refusing to accept a welcoming view of such people, but feeling too outnumbered to voice my own opinion.
Slowly, very, very, slowly, due to my quiet acceptance of the views of other people, my 'tolerance' began to change to genuine acceptance... but yet, the views clung to me. Influenced my perceptions of myself, at the very least.
I created an alternate account on the forums- Verdandi. I pretended to be female, and for a time quite successfully persuaded people I was. It was frightfully easy... and again it proved my willingness to identify myself as a gender other than what I outwardly claimed to be.
Then one day came.
I don't know what triggered it, or how it happened. Maybe it was reading the emotional turmoil in an online writing- Tales of MU- maybe it was just my subconscious finally saying that it had had enough. But that day I fell into a deep depression. I refused to go to school. I didn't speak. When I went to work I closed my office door and pretended to be absent- to not even exist.
It should be noted that I rarely, hardly ever, experience real emotional trauma or turmoil. In comparison to others, all of my emotions seem muted. I can be happy, I can be sad, I can be sympathetic or angry, but for me to truly, truly feel emotion- well, I hadn't been that way for years. People that knew me worried very, very much. It was wholly unlike me to be that way.
When I had cut myself off from everyone but myself, making myself alone in the world, in existence, I had nowhere to run. There was nothing but myself, my thoughts, and my misled perception of my own identity. I sorted myself through my mind and realized what I had been denying for so long- what had been caged away- what my beliefs and entire societal influence had led me to hate and rebel against.
I was more prone and comfortable to identify myself as a woman than I was willing to admit I was a man. Whether or not it was true, I was perceiving myself as feminine, and was far more comfortable with a feminine identity than a masculine one.
In a rare, rare force of will and show of bravery from myself, I wrote up exactly the type of things that I had been experiencing and posted them on a smaller forum that I go to. Many of you know people from that place- in fact it is composed of people from the playground.
I didn't want to deny it anymore- not to anyone.
But... outside, there were still people who wouldn't accept it. That is what had shaped me to deny myself! How could I ever explain it to them?
Still I struggle with that, I'm not sure how to explain, or to disclose this to anyone in my real life. I'm not just afraid of being looked down on- I'm afraid of persecution.
Of course, it doesn't end there. Oh no, that would be easy, and where would the fun in that be? :smallwink:
There wasn't as much drama-horror-revelation in it, but I came to admit that I was not only transsexual in identity, but bisexual (though I've come to consider the idea that pansexual may be a better term) as well.
The reason for this may have been that I had already accepted that possibility when I had the former revelation, and was pretty much dating (in all but in name) another guy on the forums (and I knew quite, quite well that I was still interested in women).
He asked me to take it further, and I considered it and myself, then after a few days, I gave him a yes. And we're happy about it, so there. :smalltongue:
(it's Shadow of the Sun, by the way, if you didn't catch that in the Crush'd thread!)
Currently, the only person who knows the full story of all of this outside of the internet is my dear sweet mother (who is still confused about it all, but has been amazingly acceptant of all of this despite never having really had an opinion before).
My father knows parts of the story, but isn't aware that I know he knows... and I'm honestly not willing to confront him about it all yet. He's where I got most of the beliefs that led to the agony of this situation, so one might understand my hesitation in admitting it all to him. I'm afraid he'll roar, disown me, or even worse, blame himself for this "tragedy" and how he hasn't been a good father (a fact which he has lamented for some time) and... well, spiral in to a very bad depression and make some bad choices.
I could see all of the above happening, and while I disagree with my father in many, many ways, I still love him, and don't want to see any of that happen. Not ever.
So there you have it, people. I hope that helps you sort things out- and maybe encourage you to have a bit broader mindset (unlike I had). It may very well be the key to keeping your sanity...
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Congratulations Vael for letting that all out. It seems you've had a way rougher time that I've had, and though I strongly dissaprove of how you used to act, I am so happy for you (and Shadow of the Sun) now! Yaaay!
I also have a confession to make. I am rather using my sexuality as a kind of weapon at the moment. I'd prefer not to go into great details, but those who pick on me because of my preference have the full force of my slightly promiscuous self forced upon them. It's kinda fun, actually. Is it bad though?
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Gezina
Cassie, according to the wiki article the T stands for transgender, not transsexual.
Transgender and transsexual are two different ways of saying the same thing.
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Originally Posted by
Gezina
Cassie, according to the wiki article the T stands for transgender, not transsexual.
Transgender and transsexual are two different ways of saying the same thing.
Edit: Vael, I admire and congratulate your courage concerning what you've been through. I feel that you deserve to be happy after all this. I hope Shadow of the Sun makes you happy. :smallsmile:
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Wow, at my school people are generally accepted for things like that. Just as long as we don't get images.
It reminds me of a time when my friend was teasing me about knowing a secret of another friend. I just replied to him, "He's gay? That's fine." Left my friend going just in awe. I said it as a joke, but I found out later that I was right.
Hm... Can I be a Lesbian?
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Kaelaroth
Is it bad though?
Stphen Fry did the exact same thing.
In that case, I'd say you're not doing it enough.
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Rock On.
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Jibar
Stphen Fry did the exact same thing.
In that case, I'd say you're not doing it enough.
:smile:
Fill the multi-character word limit.....
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Originally Posted by
Vael
He asked me to take it further, and I considered it and myself, then after a few days, I gave him a yes. And we're happy about it, so there. :smalltongue:
(it's Shadow of the Sun, by the way, if you didn't catch that in the Crush'd thread!)
*squeeeeeeeeel* :smallbiggrin:
>.>
<.<
*gone'd*
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Hm... I think I'm Bi in that extremely submissive sort of way. Can we include in this thread D/s and S/m lifestyles? It's a little difficult to find support for that as well.
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Rex Idiotarum
Hm... I think I'm Bi in that extremely submissive sort of way. Can we include in this thread D/s and S/m lifestyles? It's a little difficult to find support for that as well.
Which would make this thread devolve even more quickly into talk about sex instead of about people. With stuff like this (which I honestly can't understand the obsession over, but then again, I am not gay nor do I know anybody who is), it's already pretty hard to keep clean. You're suggesting introducing something that people pretty much always associate with sex. I recommend, for you, reading "Tales of MU". I don't like it, but it seems like what you're looking for. Warning: it's quite explicit and sexual in nature, and I will not link to it on these forums for that reason.
Keep it clean, folks. Don't want another "Romance" on our hands (if you don't remember that, it's probably for the best).
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That's my point, LBGT and BDSM all have sexual and psychological aspects. And often both are misunderstood under the sexual aspect, and rarely talked about the psychological effects, and it makes someone hard to admit stuff like that.
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Well, I'm not personally L, G, B, or T, but I have a few friends who are. They're all good people, and I can honestly say I haven't seen any discrimination from where I sit. Plus, the university I'm going to is very open about this sort of thing. Of course, the LGBT pride week confused the heck out of me. Who's idea was it to just call it 'Pride Week', anyway? I was this close to dressing in the school colours and joining in what I later discovered was the 'Coming Out' parade. Lousy prank-playing trickster friends. :smallwink:
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My uni had a "Heterosexual of the Year" competition :smallsigh:
But that's getting into local politics, so I'll leave it there. It did make it onto Wikipedia for a while, though.
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Originally Posted by
Kaelaroth
Congratulations Vael for letting that all out. It seems you've had a way rougher time that I've had, and though I strongly dissaprove of how you used to act, I am so happy for you (and Shadow of the Sun) now! Yaaay!
I also have a confession to make. I am rather using my sexuality as a kind of weapon at the moment. I'd prefer not to go into great details, but those who pick on me because of my preference have the full force of my slightly promiscuous self forced upon them. It's kinda fun, actually. Is it bad though?
Well I disapprove of how I used to act too, so it seems we're in agreement. :smalltongue:
And as for your confession, I frankly find it hilarious. >>
However, I'm not really sure I think it is the best idea- it'll just make people more uncomfortable with your identity and that's not what you want, is it?
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Doihaveaname?
Edit: Vael, I admire and congratulate your courage concerning what you've been through. I feel that you deserve to be happy after all this. I hope Shadow of the Sun makes you happy. :smallsmile:
Thank you, and he most certainly does (despite being waaaaaaaaaaaay so far away! Talk about long distance.)
As for Rex-
I can certainly understand your reasoning in wanting to merge that, and to be honest I'm rather tempted to support it... but I think LGBT tendencies have a bit more in common, and adding BDSM might honestly be straying off topic or divert attention from what SMEE wanted the thread to be about.
I certainly don't mind the topic, and I would support a different thread being made, but I'm not quite as sure it should be added here.
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Y'know, people have spoken of my bravery, strength, other amazing qualities, etc. Personally, I think these people are silly and need therapy, but that's a whole other issue. :smalltongue:
I started the Depression Thread to create a place of mutual support.
SMEE has done something very similar here. She's proof I'm not the only one trying to keep both heart and mind in the right place. :smallsmile:
(So stop trying to find my missing ego and dump praise on it. Give some to SMEE.)
:smalltongue:
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Doihaveaname?
Transgender and transsexual are two different ways of saying the same thing.
No, they're actually different, although associated with generally the same concept. Crossdressing is simply when someone dresses as the opposite gender. Transgender is when one identifies as the opposite gender, which can including crossdressing, but is not physically a member of that sex. Transsexual is when one's sex is physically changed from one's birth-sex. Essentially, one's Sex represents the physical nature of things; what parts are there, while one's Gender represents a more mental state of being. Thus, a transgender identifies as the opposite gender, while a Transsexual actually undergoes the physical change.
If you'd like more information on the subject and theory in general, I'd reccomend looking into Judith Butler's writings.
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Errr... you entirely sure about that, VeisuItaTyhjyys?
I'll be honest and admit that I am new to all the different definitions (I've found so many I didn't even know existed! @.@) but while you're right in saying the term Transgender includes crossdressing and generally is a broader term, Transsexual is sometimes used a bit more loosely between identification and those planning for/going through GRS.
As Wikipedia puts it:
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The definition of "transsexuality" is somewhat debated. One common definition is that a transsexual is a person who believes that his or her body does not reflect his or her true 'inner' gender. Another common definition is that a transsexual is a person who has had or plans to have medical or surgical treatments that alter his or her body to better reflect what the individual believes is his or her true gender. The first definition allows greater freedom for individuals to self-identify as a transsexual. The latter defines the term based on actual or planned operative status and makes it more an external label than a term of self-definition.
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So... story time, huh? I wonder how long this is going to wind up being.
I "discovered" I was transsexual when I was 6. Which is to say, I realized I preferred being feminine to being masculine, and started devoting the majority of the efforts of my imagination towards thinking about what it would be like to not be a boy. And then, I suppressed the hell out of these thoughts. I was sure I couldn't say anything to anyone, and had no idea I wasn't the only one doing this... so I branded myself a freak, and refused to deal with it.
6 years later, I was in the hospital after several failed suicide attempts. There was a lot in my life going on at that point, and I won't contribute all of my negative feelings to repressing who I am... my parents were in the middle of considering divorce, my mother had just finished a year-long period in an intensive therapy clinic in Arizona, and my father got into a life-threatening car accident on his way to meet her. I had a lot of stuff to sort through for a 12 year old, and me refusing to accept myself for what I was didn't help one bit. In the hospital, though, things got worse. The staff was so used to treating 'problem children', that they automatically assumed everyone who came must be cut from that same cloth, so they treated me in the same way they treated my roommate, who was there because he tortured animals in some of the cruelest ways I have ever heard of (I'd really rather not go into further detail).
At this hospital, I was a problem to be fixed. More than that, I was a problem to be hated. They confirmed the way I thought about myself, but more importantly they treated me in such a way that I resorted to even more self-destructive behavior: I lied. I lied my butt off, making miraculous leaps of "progress" in therapy sessions, settling down, and "fixing" myself to get out of there as quickly as possible. It took two weeks, after I agreed to try Prozac (which I believe was actually a new drug at the time, but I'm not 100% sure). And Prozac, oh the things that wonderful little pill did to me (although to be fair, I haven't felt suicidal since). If I was ever meant to have a "normal" libido, that pill shut it down hard. I've been calling myself asexual ever since, because in addition to physical problems that I'm not sure I can discuss on these forums, I found even the concept of physical relationships disgusting.
As it turns out, I've been fighting against myself for some time. Through a combination of clothing, hairstyles, and the way I carried myself (I can only assume), I caused myself to flag as female to people looking at me from behind. I've gotten plenty of 'Excuse me, miss?' type comments while working in grocery stores, culminating in a group of morons making cat calls at me as I went to punch out after a late shift. :smalleek:
That was what sort of forced everything out into the open a few months ago, but honestly, I'm not sure I'd be able to accept this at all without the help of some playgrounders. Conversations I had with both phoenixineohp and Amotis helped me come to grips with who I am, and I honestly don't know how much longer it would have taken me to accept myself without either of their help. So, if you guys happen to be reading, thank you. :smallsmile:
Recently, I've been dropping hints to my parents, which my mother has super sleuthed her way into figuring out. We've talked, and she's going to help me take my first steps into transitioning. And that takes us to the present. I, for one, am glad the story proper is going to start on a happy note...
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*walks by eating a Bacon, Lettuce, Tomato and Garlic sandwich*
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That sounds... mighty tasty. I'm gonna have to give that a shot sometime, I think.
Phoe, Goff gets called "miss" all the time, though it's not so bad now he's had a hair cut. A couple of times when we've been shopping together we've been asked, "do you girls need any help?" It's far more embarrassing for them than you, I'm sure :smalltongue:
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I identify more with the opposite gender than my own, but I really can't care enough to do anything about it. Or really wander into the mental state where I try to define myself. But...yeah. >.>
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*hugs Phoe*
We care.
That's all I want to say.
I honestly can't relate to being identified as the wrong gender in real life though. Then again, no girl would have grown quite as much hair as me (or if they did, they hopefully shaved it off :smalleek:).
I have hobbit feet.
HOBBIT FEET.
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I have no idea how to write this. So I'm going to
Ah, Wikipedia does wonders, Like pointing out Autogynephilia. But on top of that, I'd like, no matter how much I'd say otherwise, to be force to take on the feminine role. I guess that's was I meant by the D/s stuff. I'd get into it more, but I really don't know how. My heart skips a beat when someone mistakes me for a woman, and I give them a look like, "Excuse me?":smallconfused: but really, I'm thinking, "Nice, I seem really feminine." Ya know?
On top of that, I'm seeking a Master or Mistress. But I'll withhold on going too much further than that.
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As promissed, the anonymous mailer.
Use the address below to send an anonymous message to be posted in this thread.
http://anonmail.smeenet.org/
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Enjoy. :smallsmile:
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Normally, I wouldn't say anything. I'd admire those who did, offer a hug, and move on.
But, I admitted my "problem" to my boyfriend last night- that I really don't consider myself either gender. Sometimes, I'll completely forget than I'm female (biologically) and think I'm male, or I won't even think of myself in those terms.
I hate my breasts. I hate them. Yeah, they fill out my shirt well enough, but they mark me as female-only, which I don't want to be. I love the concept of androgyny.
But, anyways, he didn't take it very well at all. Infact, in an argument later last night, he used it against me. Actually, he didn't seem to listen at all and said "You're upset? How do you think I feel? I found out my girlfriend wants to be a man!"
Which isn't what I said at all. I said I hate being either...
And, my awesome Vael friend, who I've been crying to recently about my loss of identity, found this for me today;
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"intergender is a gender identity of both, neither or some combination of "man" and/or "woman". In relation to the gender binary (the view that there are only two genders), genderqueer people generally identify as more "both/and" or "neither/nor," rather than "either/or." Some genderqueer people see their identity as one of many different genders outside of man and woman, some see it as a term encompassing all gender identities outside of the gender binary, some believe it encompasses binary genders among others, some may identify as a-gender and some see it as a third gender in addition to the traditional two."
..I've no idea where Vael found it, but, yay! I finally have a term for myself- genderqueer!
And, on a secondary notice, I am pansexual ( a more extreme form of Bisexuality). I've known it since I was seven really, and have had a rather encouraging group of people around me...so, I guess its not that big of a subject for me.
And that's mah story.
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Re: LGBT people in the playground
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Originally Posted by
Rex Idiotarum
I have no idea how to write this. So I'm going to
Ah, Wikipedia does wonders, Like pointing out Autogynephilia. But on top of that, I'd like, no matter how much I'd say otherwise, to be force to take on the feminine role. I guess that's was I meant by the D/s stuff. I'd get into it more, but I really don't know how. My heart skips a beat when someone mistakes me for a woman, and I give them a look like, "Excuse me?":smallconfused: but really, I'm thinking, "Nice, I seem really feminine." Ya know?
I have a bit of experience with that, actually. I'll make it a clean story--though it certainly isn't on the whole--so no worries about toeing the line of forum rules. Anyway, since I was a little kid, 'round 5 or 6, I'd been fascinated with the idea of being the opposite gender. Not that I identified as a gender other than my own, only the intense wonder and mystique of being someone else. I fantasized and cross-dressed off and on when I was younger, up until my early teens, about the time when I started to feel ashamed about it. Needless to say, that sort of behavior wasn't exactly normal so I suppressed it all and moved on.
It didn't exactly disappear, though. Through the magicks of the interwebs, I discovered the fanciful art of role playing. Oddly, I found myself crafting female characters far more often than males, and couldn't exactly pinpoint why. The idea of being another gender was particularly bewitching for me, though never in a permanent sense. I suppose I wanted to wear someone else's skin once in a while, not change my spots for good.
My physical appearance did change though, I admit. I grew my hair out quite a bit--I think most of my pictures in the "You" thread are of my girly locks--and I was generally infatuated with the feminine mystique that began to creep into my personality. I loved being mistaken as a woman; it was sort of a validation for my wayward imagination, perhaps a justification that I could pass. I've had a handful of transgendered friends and I'd always been comfortable with the concept, so in the back of my head I sort of... wondered. Maybe, you know?
The changes in my behavior, though, they bothered me to some extent. I had grow far too comfortable in pretending to be female--only on the internets, mind you, but even still, folks started to buy the story that I actually was female. Again, it was satisfying in some superficial sense. There was "boy me" that went to school and work and had his own life and there was "girl me" that had the internet as her playground. Once I started to forge relationships as "girl me," I slowly began to realize that I was living a lie, a fable, letting my imagination get away with me. The female persona I had invented had pieces of me, that's for sure, but it wasn't me.
I needed to get a level head. So I cut myself off from the internet, from all the ties I had made. I pissed some people off, sure, but I wasn't at all comfortable with outing myself as a guy with an overactive imagination. I quit roleplaying, I cut my hair and I went through a sort of mental detox. Looking back, I was able to see that it was really only a fantasy, something that got my gears going--and that's all I'll say in that respect--and not a real gender issue. I was a guy that liked girls, nothing special at all. Maybe I'd be more interesting if I was bi or transgendered, but after all my experimentation, I realized that I'm just not. Most of all, I'm happy about it, happy to be me. Had I not gone through all that crap, though, I don't think I'd know myself as well as I do now.
So that's my tale. Weird how I've never told a soul, yet I was completely comfortable spilling my guts for complete strangers. Also, way more than I expected to write. Funny, that.
Anyway, as I say to all my LBGT friends, be who you want to be, not what you're told to be. Discover yourself and don't be afraid to be yourself. Best of luck to everyone.
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Originally Posted by
QueenOfMemnoch
Normally, I wouldn't say anything. I'd admire those who did, offer a hug, and move on.
But, I admitted my "problem" to my boyfriend last night- that I really don't consider myself either gender. Sometimes, I'll completely forget than I'm female (biologically) and think I'm male, or I won't even think of myself in those terms.
I hate my breasts. I hate them. Yeah, they fill out my shirt well enough, but they mark me as female-only, which I don't want to be. I love the concept of androgyny.
But, anyways, he didn't take it very well at all. Infact, in an argument later last night, he used it against me. Actually, he didn't seem to listen at all and said "You're upset? How do you think I feel? I found out my girlfriend wants to be a man!"
Which isn't what I said at all. I said I hate being either...
And, my awesome Vael friend, who I've been crying to recently about my loss of identity, found this for me today;
..I've no idea where Vael found it, but, yay! I finally have a term for myself- genderqueer!
And, on a secondary notice, I am pansexual ( a more extreme form of Bisexuality). I've known it since I was seven really, and have had a rather encouraging group of people around me...so, I guess its not that big of a subject for me.
And that's mah story.
*huggles and smacks bf* Jerk. >.<
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Catch--"I wanted not so much to become as to enjoy"? The book from which that came (and the full passage, which fits in context) is near the bottom of the tower and will take some effort to access.
Surgeries are flesh-work, unworthy of the lily, and a dead end at the moment--but that road will someday lead to the freedom of ourselves from our flesh, and you're on it, and I'm not. FOR SCIENCE!
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I'm (more often than comfortably) mistaken for a girl, because of my long hair and what my friend so elegantly described as "fleshboobs" (I'm quite overweighted).
To the actual post:
Many many people from where I come automatically hate homosexual/trans people. I'm glad my mother/brother and formerly sister are all homosexual, it's prevented me from being so homophobic as most people I know. Hearing stories such as Vael's makes me a bit fuzzy on the inside. I'm glad such wonders can still happen, with all the offense and hostility homosexual/trans people get.
Kudos to ya'll!
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I'm not L,G,B,T, or even a BLT, but I just wanted to express my admiration for some of you who are going through this at such a young age, being who you are and taking action to live your lives with courage and honesty.
I'm old enough that the very few transgendered/transsexual people I ever heard of, most of my life, were always people who went through this big process much later in life, perhaps in their 40s or even later, after a lifetime of misery and deception. I don't know much about the whole transgender thing, but I'm very glad to see that a young woman like Smee can recognise who she is and do something about it, early in life when it's probably a lot easier.
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Originally Posted by
Quincunx
Catch--"I wanted not so much to become as to enjoy"? The book from which that came (and the full passage, which fits in context) is near the bottom of the tower and will take some effort to access.
Surgeries are flesh-work, unworthy of the lily, and a dead end at the moment--but that road will someday lead to the freedom of ourselves from our flesh, and you're on it, and I'm not. FOR SCIENCE!
Cryptic, perhaps more eloquent than I'd have have articulated, but accurate nonetheless. For me, however, experience--imagined or otherwise--is precluded by reality. Briefly do we forget ourselves, yet return we must; what is temporary can never be authentic. It's not a journey I could make without looking back and I'm content as I am.
The short of it is that flights of fancy are behind me and I've found happiness in the here and now. I have only support and empathy for those who are still on the journey.
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Originally Posted by
Cobra_Ikari
*huggles and smacks bf* Jerk. >.<
Oh, he really isn't all that bad at all. He spoils me and such, and tolerates my crushes that come around every now and again.
I did just kinda drop a bomb on him...
Even so, I wish he would have been more understanding.
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Originally Posted by
QueenOfMemnoch
Oh, he really isn't all that bad at all. He spoils me and such, and tolerates my crushes that come around every now and again.
I did just kinda drop a bomb on him...
Even so, I wish he would have been more understanding.
People suck. :smallfrown:
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Originally Posted by
Kaelaroth
People suck. :smallfrown:
Of course they do.
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Originally Posted by
QueenOfMemnoch
Oh, he really isn't all that bad at all. He spoils me and such, and tolerates my crushes that come around every now and again.
I did just kinda drop a bomb on him...
Even so, I wish he would have been more understanding.
Oh, fine...*unsmacks, but still hugs*
*mumbles* Don't like nunderstanders...
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Originally Posted by
Cobra_Ikari
Oh, fine...*unsmacks, but still hugs*
*mumbles* Don't like nunderstanders...
:: hugs:: It'll work out, I hope. But thanks for the lovin's :smallbiggrin:
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Originally Posted by
Kaelaroth
People suck. :smallfrown:
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Originally Posted by
Doihaveaname?
Of course they do.
The good news is, this doesn't hold true for everybody.
I'm really glad this thread exists. It's not an easy thing, to accept and be who you are, no matter what that is (even "normal"). It's good that there's a place we can all turn to for support, advice, and understanding.
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*tower of 8.5"x5" books*
*tower of 5"x3.5" books*
*tower of National Geographic Magazine*
*Quincunx, kneeling, book in hand*
*tower of 5"x3.5" books*
*quasi-tower of mail-order catalogs*
Found it!
Free Fall, William Golding. It's one of his more straightforward and unified novels, if not the easiest to find in print in the U.S. What most of us could take away from it, messages aside, is technique--how to write an internal monologue on the eternal questions and make it satisfying to its readers. Somewhere I picked up the maxim that quotations of less than 100 words don't threaten copyright, and I'll keep to that here. The narrator is male and middle-aged, speaking about school days:
"But I would have liked to be a girl. . . .I wanted to be one of them and thought this unique as self-abuse and very shameful. But I was mistaken all round. Masturbation is universal. Our sex is always uncertain. I wanted not so much to become as to enjoy. . . ."
D--- me, I've torn the page with my mouse cord. Must be more careful with tatty old paperbacks.
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Lately I've been wanting to tell people about me, but I've always held myself back for fear of what the consequences of telling the wrong person would do. I'm mostly scared of it getting out, and then somehow spreading to my mum - her hairdresser is the towns gossip-monger and nothing gets past her.
Despite my brother having two gay friends and one bisexual friend, I'd rather not find out if he's so accepting of his brother being like them.
One of the friends I've told is the one who comes here from time to time, so it was kind of necescary to tell him before SMEE made this thread. So I steered the topic of the conversation to the secret that I told one of my other friends about six months ago, and told him. As I said in Random Banter, I was terrified but as soon as he said "I guessed as much" I realised that I had made the correct decision.
I told him to keep it to himself until I'm ready, and what he said will stay with me for a while:
"Don't take too long getting ready, you'll just be living a lie."
It's true, I don't want to live a lie, but I'm just too scared (as I've said previously) to do it. Though I will have to bite the bullet at some point and come out en masse if I ever want to be myself.
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Originally Posted by
QueenOfMemnoch
Oh, he really isn't all that bad at all. He spoils me and such, and tolerates my crushes that come around every now and again.
I did just kinda drop a bomb on him...
Even so, I wish he would have been more understanding.
Time will help hopefully. Initial shock can produce odd reactions that are not necessarily how someone feels.
Warning: Below post contains lots of hugs. Thank you.
I'm very happy to see this thread and I hug and congratulate all who have posted here so far. I know that GitP has an amazing community that is more openly diverse than any I've seen yet, and it is nice to have another thread where we can support each other.
PhoeKun, you are going to make me go all mushy and soft. *Huggles*
Vael, I'm so glad to see your post. I read the Crush thread and was trying to figure out how to ask about that. Oodles of hugs to you.
At the same time, hearing that a poster here had opinions like you originally did... that's so scary. I know that I've seen at least one poster who I felt was homophobic, but of course by the rules, more things of that nature shouldn't come up. I guess I fall into the thinking that because everyone is friendly, no one thinks that way, or would have that line of thinking influence their decisions about who to be friends with, etc. I am so very glad that you don't feel that way anymore. Now I'm just worried that others do.
Even more hugs to those who identify as Bisexual or Pansexual. It amazes me that in an ostracized group like the queer community would still ostracize others. The hate that Bisexuals experience comes from all sides, they seem to be the hated of the hated. Many people don't believe that position can even exist, which boggles my mind. And Pansexuality is still so unheard of that very few seem to know about it, let alone accept or embrace it. So lots of hugs and support and love. :smallsmile:
Speaking of the unfamiliar or unheard of… I am glad that the title is LGBT, but we may want to address that there are certainly many other identities in the queer community. Some people out there may be questioning and wondering where they fit, and be unaware of a group that feels the same way they do. And I do want to say that Allies of the queer community are certainly welcome as well. You don’t have to leave through the window Serp. :smallwink:
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Originally Posted by E
Well, I have a problem. (well, obviously I do, why else would I be e-mailing this). And I do not know where to start, I am a guy, and for a long time I have thought that I was straight, but recently I have just been sorta, thinking maybe I am Bi, because, well its hard to say, I just find myself becoming attracted to certain guys I know. I have tried to think about this and sort it out, but I cannot. It doesn't help that the community I live in is not very accepting.
I just don't know what to do? Should i give it time and see what happens?
If such feelings are quite recent, then yes, you should wait sometime to see what happens. You may be going through a phase or a particular moment of your life.
If there's already been sometime since you start feeling that way, you should try and hang out with a guy on a date.
Since your community is not very accepting, I'd suggest spending a weekend on a near by city and going to a well reputable gay bar.
There you'll find whether this what you want or not.
If so, then it'll be time to start taking small steps on being open about it for your friends.
That's all the advice I can give. Hopefully someone around here will have more experience on the subject at hand and give out some better advice. :smallsmile:
Also, I want to take the chance to thank Doihaveaname? for telling me to make this thread.
Wasn't for him, I wouldn't have posted it. :smallredface:
Hugs.
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Originally Posted by
Quincunx
Found it!
Free Fall, William Golding. It's one of his more straightforward and unified novels, if not the easiest to find in print in the U.S. What most of us could take away from it, messages aside, is technique--how to write an internal monologue on the eternal questions and make it satisfying to its readers. Somewhere I picked up the maxim that quotations of less than 100 words don't threaten copyright, and I'll keep to that here. The narrator is male and middle-aged, speaking about school days:
"But I would have liked to be a girl. . . .I wanted to be one of them and thought this unique as self-abuse and very shameful. But I was mistaken all round. Masturbation is universal. Our sex is always uncertain. I wanted not so much to become as to enjoy. . . ."
D--- me, I've torn the page with my mouse cord. Must be more careful with tatty old paperbacks.
That sounds very much like a book to which I'd take well. Luckily, I won't have to crawl the musty bookstores in the city as Amazon has a tidy handful of copies. Then again, there's always a rare tome to be found, even if it's not the one you intended.
Thank you much, I have a feeling I'll enjoy that read.
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So, I've been reading a few posts with anger toward those who aren't "understanding" of their close ones' "preferences". Well, I find that a little hypocritical. Think of something you're really not comfortable with. It could be anything as common as cracking knuckles. As long as it somehow strikes you as "off" or "unusual". Now, for pretty much everyone, you can find something that when you think about it, you really don't mind when nobody brings it up around you. However, once it's introduced to your environment, you suddenly do not want to be near whoever's talking about it/doing it/being it.
Now, is it really so hard to imagine that someone might not be comfortable with lifestyles that are very different from theirs, and that they may have never encountered, and that may present very real changes in their lives?
Sure, there are people who are just intolerant. But for most people, when a close one 'comes out of the closet' or whatever, they become total strangers, distancing themselves with that one thing that just doesn't sit right. It's certainly not a difficulty on the same level as having to deal with a bunch of people suddenly being uncomfortable with you, but it's not something that most people can just let fly past their minds without thinking about it. I mean, come on, we fight over which carbonated beverage one should swear by. You think we can all agree on what sexual lifestyles are acceptable?
Quit pretending that people are horrible just because some totally alien lifestyle makes them uncomfortable. Nobody deals with these things well, it's only a matter of what constitutes "unfamiliar and unsettling". Perhaps while people are encouraged to learn to be accepting, those who need to be accepted should learn how to make acceptance more comfortable. You know, pretty much the opposite of what Kaeleroth does.
That said, I don't happen to be one of those who gets too uncomfortable around anyone on the GLBT spectrum. But many fine people are, and it's your job as much as it is theirs to get along.
Play nice, kids.
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Lesseee....
*hug for Memnoch, my Fangirl*
Because being confused and not having support from those close to you isn't cool.
Kael and Doihaveaname:
People don't suck. In fact, once you get to know them, you'll likely find that they are really, really more similar than you might expect.
That's something that we of all people should know- having differences doesn't affect value as a person, even if you do disapprove of some of the things they think. Try and keep an open mind, even around those who don't.
I agree with Phoe. I think this thread was an excellent idea.
Quincunx- Tearing a book?
:smalleek:
:smallfurious:
BLASPHEMY! :smallwink:
Doihaveaname again:
Telling people is certainly tough. I'm personally planning on moving out (which I want to do within a year's time) then coming out and letting people avoid/come to me as they damn well want.
*hugs PxP back*
You should talk to me via MSN more! Stop hiding! :smalltongue:
E:
See what happens? :smallconfused:
Maybe this is just my recent thinking on pansexuality speaking here, but-
You've said you've found yourself being attracted to guys you know.
Okay then. That means you may be attracted to some guys.
*shrugs*
If you think that is the way you are, accept it, and act on it as you will. Just because you may be attracted to a guy doesn't mean you have to radically change and begin dating them, or hitting on them, or really acting any differently than normal. If you don't feel comfortable doing anything other than admiring them, then don't! Don't change yourself to fit a definition, you are YOU.
For example: I find, in general, women to be far more attractive than men. In fact, I really don't find that many men attractive. However, I'm completely willing to date a guy, while I may or may not be willing to date a woman that I think is utterly hot. So what do I do?
Date guys and admire women. Gee, really? I act on what I want? Damn, who told me I could make sense in this world? :smallbiggrin:
On the other hand, don't let it scare you away from acting on what you want to act on. If you'd like to try dating a guy, go with SMEE's advice. If it is something you find desirable, then by golly you should try it out, but don't let one thing you like force you into something you don't.
That's my take on it.
*hugs Doihaveaname*
Good for helping SMEE!
Brickwall: Right on.
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The problem with many people (I guess it's part of humanity?) is that they act before thinking - not only on the spot but in the big picture. That way, from the start, the option of sitting down and talking is made very much more difficult.
Dammit, I hate it when the world is not perfect!
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Originally Posted by
Brickwall
So, I've been reading a few posts with anger toward those who aren't "understanding" of their close ones' "preferences". Well, I find that a little hypocritical. Think of something you're really not comfortable with. It could be anything as common as cracking knuckles. As long as it somehow strikes you as "off" or "unusual". Now, for pretty much everyone, you can find something that when you think about it, you really don't mind when nobody brings it up around you. However, once it's introduced to your environment, you suddenly do not want to be near whoever's talking about it/doing it/being it.
Now, is it really so hard to imagine that someone might not be comfortable with lifestyles that are very different from theirs, and that they may have never encountered, and that may present very real changes in their lives?
Sure, there are people who are just intolerant. But for most people, when a close one 'comes out of the closet' or whatever, they become total strangers, distancing themselves with that one thing that just doesn't sit right. It's certainly not a difficulty on the same level as having to deal with a bunch of people suddenly being uncomfortable with you, but it's not something that most people can just let fly past their minds without thinking about it. I mean, come on, we fight over which carbonated beverage one should swear by. You think we can all agree on what sexual lifestyles are acceptable?
Quit pretending that people are horrible just because some totally alien lifestyle makes them uncomfortable. Nobody deals with these things well, it's only a matter of what constitutes "unfamiliar and unsettling". Perhaps while people are encouraged to learn to be accepting, those who need to be accepted should learn how to make acceptance more comfortable. You know, pretty much the opposite of what Kaeleroth does.
That said, I don't happen to be one of those who gets too uncomfortable around anyone on the GLBT spectrum. But many fine people are, and it's your job as much as it is theirs to get along.
Play nice, kids.
Personally, I agree. However, I firmly frown upon you pointing Kaeleroth out, s'pecially since his comment came off of my story.
In all relevance, my boyfriend had no right to use it against me in an argument. I understand it might be hard to accept what I so flippantly told him, but I told him while I was crying and emotional and to flip it back on me is cruel.
There's a point where its not quite understanding and a point where its being spiteful about it.
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Well, here's the thing, if a friend told me he was into Shakira, not for her body, but for her music, I would not totally alienate him for his tastes in music. I'd ask that he'd not play that crap in my presence, and continue being friends.
I mean, the one thing I hate is Ignorance. And that is pretty much taking one part of a person, and completely alienating them for it. What's wrong with not conforming to society, is it scary to know that some people don't fit?
I've told people in the past, "I'm not against Gay PDA, but all PDA." I ask people to stop, and we talk about more comfortable stuff. You know? So, yeah, I have a right to shun people who shun others. I can get angry at people for focusing on a small part of people when they know nothing else about a person.
What, you think someone coming out of the closet means you have to watch them making out with another man? Not the case.
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Originally Posted by
Brickwall
So, I've been reading a few posts with anger toward those who aren't "understanding" of their close ones' "preferences". Well, I find that a little hypocritical. Think of something you're really not comfortable with. It could be anything as common as cracking knuckles. As long as it somehow strikes you as "off" or "unusual". Now, for pretty much everyone, you can find something that when you think about it, you really don't mind when nobody brings it up around you. However, once it's introduced to your environment, you suddenly do not want to be near whoever's talking about it/doing it/being it.
Now, is it really so hard to imagine that someone might not be comfortable with lifestyles that are very different from theirs, and that they may have never encountered, and that may present very real changes in their lives?
Sure, there are people who are just intolerant. But for most people, when a close one 'comes out of the closet' or whatever, they become total strangers, distancing themselves with that one thing that just doesn't sit right. It's certainly not a difficulty on the same level as having to deal with a bunch of people suddenly being uncomfortable with you, but it's not something that most people can just let fly past their minds without thinking about it. I mean, come on, we fight over which carbonated beverage one should swear by. You think we can all agree on what sexual lifestyles are acceptable?
Quit pretending that people are horrible just because some totally alien lifestyle makes them uncomfortable. Nobody deals with these things well, it's only a matter of what constitutes "unfamiliar and unsettling". Perhaps while people are encouraged to learn to be accepting, those who need to be accepted should learn how to make acceptance more comfortable. You know, pretty much the opposite of what Kaeleroth does.
That said, I don't happen to be one of those who gets too uncomfortable around anyone on the GLBT spectrum. But many fine people are, and it's your job as much as it is theirs to get along.
Play nice, kids.
I understand your point, I just felt that QoM's bf was...erm...using that a bit harshly?
I'm also a bit colored by having to listen to "Gwuhuhuh...***!" and the like all the time. There's a level of...acceptable not-being-understanding, I guess, but using it to hurt people really...infuriates me.
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Ok...I don't really know if I'm comfortable actually putting everything out there like this, but I suppose if it all goes wrong, I can just make a new account :P
So...I reckon I'm bi. I can't be totally sure, but from a few experiences I'd say I am. I'm not exactly secret about it, but I'm not open either. At school (which is all male, making it somewhat more awkward at times) I'll often hug some of my closer friends or make somewhat suggestive comments on things. Thing is, no one takes me seriously. They all think I'm joking, mucking around...It's a relief in some ways but it pisses me off at the same time. I'll admit I'm not often one to be all that serious, but every once in a while I am, and people don't seem to realise that.
I might actually say I'm more bicurious than bi. Still only being in high school. I haven't had any chances to experiment. I do have a girlfriend, so I know that I'm at least straight, but I do wonder what it's like to with a man...
I don't know if that really fits into this thread, or if I'm just confused or what...But yeah...
Also, on another note. I am in awe of the courage of the people who've already 'confessed'. Phoe in particular. I thought I kind of knew you. Now I realise I knew nothing.
Thankyou GitP, for listening to me whine :P
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Originally Posted by
Rex Idiotarum
Well, here's the thing, if a friend told me he was into Shakira, not for her body, but for her music, I would not totally alienate him for his tastes in music. I'd ask that he'd not play that crap in my presence, and continue being friends.
I mean, the one thing I hate is Ignorance. And that is pretty much taking one part of a person, and completely alienating them for it. What's wrong with not conforming to society, is it scary to know that some people don't fit?
I've told people in the past, "I'm not against Gay PDA, but all PDA." I ask people to stop, and we talk about more comfortable stuff. You know? So, yeah, I have a right to shun people who shun others. I can get angry at people for focusing on a small part of people when they know nothing else about a person.
What, you think someone coming out of the closet means you have to watch them making out with another man? Not the case.
Okay, now suppose one's taste in music suddenly became the central issue of human culture, much like sex is now. Despite the huge magnification, do you think you would be as comfortable around him?
So, if you have a right to shun people who shun others, does that mean you don't like people who avoid rapists? Or does this only apply to things that you don't shun as well? So it's not okay for people to be "ignorant" unless they are in the same way as you? That sounds pretty wrong to me. Oh, and is it wrong for me to assume you don't hang out with rapists? If it is, my bad, really.
You seem to not realize the difference between "non-conformist", which is the girl in high school who wears long pants because she doesn't shave her legs, and "alien", who is the guy in high school who insists on eating nothing but insects. Both are outside the norm, but one is so in a way that others have no way of understanding. Now, I would be one of the people who hangs out with that guy, probably, but would you hate most people just because they thought he was unsettling? If so, then you're a bigot. Don't try to justify your actions with the guise of righteousness.
Anyway
Dis: Don't take this the wrong way, but...I really saw that coming. And this is over the net. I certainly hope you're not trying to hide it from anyone, because chances are you're not doing a stellar job.
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Originally Posted by
Brickwall
Okay, now suppose one's taste in music suddenly became the central issue of human culture, much like sex is now. Despite the huge magnification, do you think you would be as comfortable around him?
So, if you have a right to shun people who shun others, does that mean you don't like people who avoid rapists? Or does this only apply to things that you don't shun as well? So it's not okay for people to be "ignorant" unless they are in the same way as you? That sounds pretty wrong to me. Oh, and is it wrong for me to assume you don't hang out with rapists? If it is, my bad, really.
You seem to not realize the difference between "non-conformist", which is the girl in high school who wears long pants because she doesn't shave her legs, and "alien", who is the guy in high school who insists on eating nothing but insects. Both are outside the norm, but one is so in a way that others have no way of understanding. Now, I would be one of the people who hangs out with that guy, probably, but would you hate most people just because they thought he was unsettling? If so, then you're a bigot. Don't try to justify your actions with the guise of righteousness.
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Dis: Don't take this the wrong way, but...I really saw that coming. And this is over the net. I certainly hope you're not trying to hide it from anyone, because chances are you're not doing a stellar job.
Wait.
Waitwaitwaitwaitwait.
So, now you're the compassionate lover of outcasts and Rex is the bigoted *******?
When did THIS take place???