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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
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Jasdoif
I think the proposed direction was having all the font-y quotes in a single entry. Maybe something like....
That direction hasn't been firmly established at this point, though.
I'm fine with that, apart from the minor point that "lowercase" was a typo - the font is actually just Wildwords Lower. Maybe a [sic] or something?
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
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Reboot
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Originally Posted by
Jasdoif
I think the proposed direction was having all the font-y quotes in a single entry. Maybe something like....
That direction hasn't been firmly established at this point, though.
I'm fine with that, apart from the minor point that "lowercase" was a typo - the font is actually just
Wildwords Lower. Maybe a [sic] or something?
The Giant said "Wildwords Lowercase", hence the quotation marks in the entry description. And in addition to not being certain whether the font or any of its components have ever been titled "Wildwords Lowercase", I am pretty sure that I don't want the Index itself to hold a position on whether or not the Giant's comments are accurate.
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
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Originally Posted by
Jasdoif
I think the proposed direction was having all the font-y quotes in a single entry. Maybe something like....
That direction hasn't been firmly established at this point, though.
I think that looks pretty good to me! I was forgetting that there was a quote already in the Index we could append those two entries to.
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
In what's hopefully a trivial change...I've decided that the "Latest Additions" table in the first post (and the closely related banana indicator) that used to show when we added new entries into the Index, will now be a "Latest Updates" table which also show which entries have had quotes added into them as a see also; because I'm reasonably certain adding quotes is more interesting to our audience than adding entries. (Also so I don't have to hide the "Latest Additions" table if there are no new entries in an update, and so I don't have to try explaining why there's an update with no new entries in it.)
Anyway....
With nothing eligible to be voted on, there will be no vote; the entry is now in the Index.
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
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Originally Posted by
Jasdoif
In what's hopefully a trivial change...I've decided that the "Latest Additions" table in the first post (and the closely related banana indicator) that used to show when we added new entries into the Index, will now be a "Latest Updates" table which
also show which entries have had quotes added into them as a see also; because I'm reasonably certain adding quotes is more interesting to our audience than adding entries. (Also so I don't have to hide the "Latest Additions" table if there are no new entries in an update, and so I don't have to try explaining why there's an update with no new entries in it.)
Anyway....
With nothing eligible to be voted on, there will be no vote; the entry is now in the Index.
I'd vote for it :D
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
The Giant weighed in in the current strip’s thread:
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The Giant
This is a misunderstanding of what Loki is saying.
He's not saying he can't say something because his followers would find out and be upset. He's saying that he is physically constructed from the beliefs of his followers (and the broader public), and thus because his followers believe he is incapable of honesty, he actually
is incapable of honesty (except to Thor). Everything is made up of ideas,
even him.
As far as Loki saying just six strips ago that he can do whatever he wants: he is incapable of honesty (except to Thor).
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
I think this one is worthy of inclusion.
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Wait a bit, he's made multiple posts. There could be several more coming to put together.
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
To follow up, these are the additional quotes (thus far), both of which I think are worthy of inclusion.
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The Giant
Except we know the answer to the chicken and the egg. The egg predated avian life by millions of years, and beyond that, the chicken as we know it is a domesticated form of the red junglefowl of Southeast Asia. At some point, an almost-chicken junglefowl laid an egg with what we would consider a chicken in it.
In a similar way, the fact that the gods are the way they are now does not preclude them having existed in some other form in the past—one that we might not have thought of as "gods." It's just that the mechanism for change isn't reproduction and evolution. Or rather, it's memetic evolution, not genetic.
EDIT: I also think you're forgetting that the gods originated "
from beyond the chaos." Their initial creation and/or ascension would involve how things work in that other place, wherever that might be, and has little bearing on the story.
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The Giant
"Honesty" is a broader concept than "not lying." If Loki tells the truth in the cause of trickery, he is still not being honest. Walking back in there and laying his cards on the table and coming clean requires more than just not lying, it requires total honesty. And thus he cannot do it.
In other words: Loki can tell the truth to deceive someone, but he wouldn't be wanting to deceive Hel in this instance—so he can't tell the truth. It also means that he couldn't find some way to lie for the purposes of genuinely enlightening her. His intent matters more than the truth value of the words coming out of his mouth.
This, exactly.
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
I also think the Loki comments at least are worthy of inclusion (and would probably support the chicken and egg comment too.).
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
All three are worthy of being included.
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
Okay, so first attempt at it....
On Loki and (Dis)honesty
"...because his followers believe he is incapable of honesty, he actually is incapable of honesty (except to Thor)". Also, "honesty" is distinct from "not lying": "Loki can tell the truth to deceive someone, but he wouldn't be wanting to deceive Hel in this instance—so he can't tell the truth". |
#1177 |
2019/08/26 |
The Mutable Nature of the Gods
"...the fact that the gods are the way they are now does not preclude them having existed in some other form in the past—one that we might not have thought of as 'gods' ". |
#1177 |
2019/08/26 |
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
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All three should be included.
I think Loki not wanting to trick Hel is too specific for a general summary.
Maybe
On Loki and (Dis)honesty
"...because his followers believe he is incapable of honesty, he actually is incapable of honesty (except to Thor)". Also, "honesty" is distinct from "not lying": "Loki can tell the truth to deceive someone [...] His intent matters more than the truth value of the words coming out of his mouth". |
#1177 |
2019/08/26 |
would work better?
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
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Originally Posted by
Fyraltari
I think Loki not wanting to trick Hel is too specific for a general summary.
Maybe
On Loki and (Dis)honesty
"...because his followers believe he is incapable of honesty, he actually is incapable of honesty (except to Thor)". Also, "honesty" is distinct from "not lying": "Loki can tell the truth to deceive someone [...] His intent matters more than the truth value of the words coming out of his mouth". |
#1177 |
2019/08/26 |
would work better?
Fair; but that feels a little too long...which would mean my attempt was also a little too long.
Um....Okay, how's this?
On Loki and (Dis)honesty
"...because his followers believe he is incapable of honesty, he actually is incapable of honesty (except to Thor)". Also, "honesty" is distinct from "not lying": "If Loki tells the truth in the cause of trickery, he is still not being honest.". |
#1177 |
2019/08/26 |
The Mutable Nature of the Gods
"...the fact that the gods are the way they are now does not preclude them having existed in some other form in the past—one that we might not have thought of as 'gods' ". |
#1177 |
2019/08/26 |
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
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I like it. Include it shall we.
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I too like the newest proposed quote summary, and think all three should be included.
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
Alright. That's three quotes, then....
Now, while this might be rushing things a bit....We're kind of close to the next thread; and since we just did an update, this seems like a good time to start talking about the next thread's title, including getting new proposals for it. I only found a few proposals (which may or may not have been serious) from earlier in the thread, so I threw in a couple new ones to start off with.
Also, to avoid a "post titles getting truncated by the forum" situation, subtitles need to be 40 characters long or less...hence the alteration I made to the second proposal above. (I'm not requiring anyone else to count, but don't be surprised if a phrase longer than "Fuzzy Llama Funny Llama Llama Llama Duck" doesn't get accepted)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
I vote for inclusion on the quotes.
And I vote for the first one on the new title suggestions, because alliteration is awesome and appealing.
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
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Resileaf
I vote for inclusion on the quotes.
And I vote for the first one on the new title suggestions, because alliteration is awesome and appealing.
I agree with this.
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
The last version of the #1177-related quotes' summary is perfect. Let's include.
For the thread title, I'm partial to "Now Up to 50% On Topic". But I'd be OK with "Bimonthly Banana Bread at Best" as well.
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
I'll submit another suggestion:
The Index of the Giant's Comments VI - All Inclusive Memories
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
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Jasdoif
about the next thread's title, including getting new proposals for it.
The Index of the Giant's Comments 6 – Yes, ALL of His Comments
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
TIotGC VI: Apprehensively Assessing Analytical {Alliterative} Assertions
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
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Squire Doodad
TIotGC VI: Apprehensively Assessing Analytical {Alliterative} Assertions
Too long; "Apprehensively Assessing Analytical {Alliterative} Assertions" is 61 characters.
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
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Jasdoif
Too long; "Apprehensively Assessing Analytical {Alliterative} Assertions" is 61 characters.
Take out the Alliterative bit; I added it in at the end when I realized that Alliterative also started with "A" (and so does Assonance...)