*takes a bowl of popcorn* *noms popcorn*
Yayz for being dead! I gets popcorn!
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*takes a bowl of popcorn* *noms popcorn*
Yayz for being dead! I gets popcorn!
*offers popcorn*
All the dead people get popcorn, Fostire. :smallbiggrin:
Save some of that for me! :smallwink:
Honestly, I'm not expecting you guys to lynch the Masons. That would be silly, right? But if you vote Murska in blue and Murska in red? The situation will become such that you're able to. If you want to. Will bill probably still die tomorrow? Oh, probably.
But bear in mind that they've been responsible for the lynchings of Oddity, cd4, and Irbis, and calling out the kills of Lex-kat, Fostire, TehSheen, and probably Happyturtle. We can share credit for rakkoon and we have what, Aemoh and Helgraf (Neutral)? For not being the bad guys, their good-guy body count is a good three times higher than ours.
And when you want to get into boring, you know what's boring? Neutrals deciding the game, just like every game that involves neutrals. Oh look, it's a game involving roles who can pick which team they win alongside! I bet the people they eventually decide to side with are the ones that win!
You know what isn't boring? Team Good and Team Evil teaming up to tell their treacherous, scheming hides exactly where to stick it. Fight the power! Lynch the neutrals, they've been screwing you like a two-dicked billygoat from Day 1.
I don't want Popcorn. I want vengeance on the Neutrals. :smallmad:
Where's this 'Masons calling out the lynches and kills' coming from? Masons haven't ever even pushed bandwagons before you forced us to yesterday, nor have we given kill-targets other than 'don't kill us please'.
On the other hand, our information led to two wolf lynches and we outed the third one to the villager team back on Day 3 to prevent a fake Seer claim from dominating the game. Which it did anyway, since nobody trusted us.
Let's summarize this a bit, since Geesi's just sowing confusion among you:
You can lynch a Mason or a Wolf. Wolves win if you die. Masons win with either team. Now for the accusation that we're trying to win alone: There are eight players left, two wolves, three villagers, three neutrals. We lynch a wolf today, we stop the wolf nightkill, then what? We have NO WAY of lynching a villager during the next day without losing our chance to void the wolf the next night. For that we would need 15 PP(2 voids and +3 votes) when the maximum we could in any way have if we haven't done ANYTHING this game, which we have in the form of some scries and two banes, one of which was successful, is 12.
Geesi's just feeding you bullcrap in order to get back at people who betrayed them. Their own fault for trying to use us to steamroll the game.
Now as he said, the maths don't lie. If we use a +3 vote today to force a lynch on a wolf(despite village resisting? :smallconfused:) and the PP vote goes through aswell, it leaves us with not enough points for even one void, for we can't both transfer points and buy a void at once nor can we use two abilities per one day/night cycle. Even if we could, us having 12 points would mean we haven't used a single ability during the entire game, unlikely at best.
So, they kill someone. Probably one of us. This leaves 1 wolf, 2 neutrals and 3 villagers. We lynch the wolf, game over, in the exact same way except that one of us is dead. It's pretty clearly just him being mad and trying to spite us.
We lynch a wolf today with villagers or without, then depending on which happened we void a wolf during the night or not and then the game ends. It's mathematically impossible for us to win alone.
All that is correct - if the village resists and forces you to spend points. If you can conserve them and then figure out some way to placate Bill (not that hard, he either gets revenge on you and loses or cooperates and maybe stands a chance), you could accomplish it easily.
As for controlling the lynches and kills, you don't dispute you've been directing every wolf kill except the first one. Good good.
For the lynches, look at the days. Every single successful lynch has had the Masons on it. All but one has had all of them on it.
I'm really not mad about this, what with having seen it coming from the beginning and having been powerless to stop it. But it's pretty simple. The wolf team has lost. But with exactly one kill under our belts that wasn't on your say-so... are we really the bad guys here?
Also, you mention the maximum PP you could have is twelve and claim you've taken three 3-point actions. Why then does Tsofu claim you have 9?
Murska's a master of misdirection, but as he says, the math doesn't lie. And if he feels compelled to lie about his numbers, well...
Here's the essence of what I propose:
Day 7: 3 villagers, 3 masons, 2 wolves.
Lynch a wolf despite the interference of the village. Tsofu's PP: 4
PP generate at beginning of nightfall, Tsofu buys a void for bill. Has to or he might bane the wrong Mason. PP: 0.5 Murska's PP: 1.5
3 villagers, 3 masons with no extra votes, 1 wolf.
Day 8: Seer (at least I think he's the seer?) challenges one Mason for a PP, lynches another. Votes of 3 villagers + wolf ensure both.
3 villagers, 2 masons, 1 wolf.
Seer brings back whoever he likes (I suggest happyturtle, Tohsaka and Illya were the survivors of the last game too), wolf kills Mason.
4 villagers, 1 mason, 1 wolf.
Day 9: PP challenge for Church is initiated by villager
Lynch Mason
4 villagers, 1 wolf
Wolf does whatever (I recommend seppuku)
Day 10: Villagers kill wolf if he didn't do it himself already
Villagers win game.
There's no way for the village to lose whether or not they take you out.
Benefits of doing it this way:
-Avenging the entirety of the dead
-Village-only win
-Kirei doesn't blow up the world
-Adorable purple-haired girl safe again
-King of Heroes (that's Murska) hoist by own petard
-More awesome narrations
-Free T-shirts!
-Has this ever happened before in Werewolf? You might make history!
My only comment is that Geesi's promises of epicness remind me of myself.
It is mildly disturbing. Me spouting things like that never ends well for anyone. Well, except me/my team, and sometimes even then...
What?
I claim that 'not giving the wolves any targets or anything else to do with their nightkills either' is disputing control of nightkills.
Every successful lynch has had the masons on it? For one, there were four masons at start and we've all been randomly pointing at different wagons every single day except where we've been accused or when we've been blackmailed by the wolves(yesterday). We're bound to end up with someone on any wagon. The other claim is just a lie.
I told everyone something they can calculate themselves: The maximum points for us is 12. Elder Tsofu told you that the maximum he could have is 9, and I lowered that number since we've used more abilities than he told you. Nor have I ever claimed that we've taken three 3-point actions. Again lying to obfuscate evidence.
And now, you, who killed the Seer already despite us trying to protect him, somehow drag his corpse into your maths? What the hell?
Here's what I propose:
Day 7: 3 villagers, 3 masons, 2 wolves.
Lynch a wolf.
Day 8: 3 villagers, 3 masons, 1 wolf.
Lynch a wolf.
Benefits of doing it this way:
-Wolves lose
-Villagers win
-Masons win
SIGH, why cant this be easier. Gessi and I guess Murska
Murska is right, I thought I was clear enough with that I could have 9 as maximum, but have used points for different reasons.
In the beginning there were 3 hostile wolfs who didn't know that it would be a bad move to attack the PP's.
Helgraf is the dead proof for that.
And Sanity, I don't envy you - Geesi puts up a good fight to try and survive. :smallsmile:
Problem is that he is calculating with numbers he do not know and thus draw erroneous conclusions. :smallsmile:
*eats popcorn*
Good movie though... intricate plot, good acting, several unexpected developments, beautiful comics in between. I give it two thumbs up!
*eats some popcorn*
Oh, come on, I'm pretty sure that devils don't have heart-beats. And, come to think of it, mimes probably don't either.
*thwaps devil mime*
Oy! No popcorn for you till you're lynched! :smallannoyed:
Aw...
*scuttles off to hide from rampaging lynch... uh... four people, by the time they get around to me, I think. Does that count as a mob? I think you need more than that.*
I guess you'll have to find some more, if you want any of my delicious popcorn.
He should have thought of that before he killed of all those in team good. :smalltongue:
http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/v...Fate/Srsly.png
In the beginning there was one hostile wolf who wanted you dead from the start. I look at the lynch, oh the Baner's dead. Masons. Oh, more citizens are dead. Masons. Irbis gets killed for claiming to be me. Masons. The people who die are ones that argued against working with you guys, or the people that slighted you, or the people who were competing against you for PP, or...
You say you've never had anything to do with the night kill. Would you like me to dredge up the PMs where you say "kill these people?" Or would you like to take a look at Irbis' final speech where you say "kill these people" and then kill him because he didn't cooperate?
To be frank, I never thought of Team Good as my enemy in this game because Team Good was never in control. I kind of even felt sorry for them because hey, aren't they supposed to have lynch control? Isn't that the whole point of the village?
Tsofu's right, I don't know exactly how many PP they have. I do know that Murska's said "two banes and a scry" and "You're a filthy liar if you claim that I said we used three 3-point abilities," which would give me pause even if I weren't on the wrong end of the gun.
This isn't about survival, though - I'm dead either way. I can't emphasize this enough. Murska will not die even if you kill him. What it will do is give you back control of the game. If you decide to kill bill after that, well, that's your business. But your contribution will at least be necessary for the final lynch.
You mean the one who was competing against you for a PP, who conveniently died the same night leaving only neutrals as the viable option for its control (and somehow, the Devil got voted in instead)?
I'm pretty sure that was the Fool. bill, you wanna back me up on that one? If we had wanted to force you or blackmail you or do anything but exactly what you told us, wouldn't we have killed the Seer? It's not like we don't know who he is.
These benefits are... insufficiently epic.Quote:
Benefits of doing it this way:
-Wolves lose
-Villagers win
-Masons win
In fact, I'd call them positively boring.
Lex-Kat told us that Paul is a wolf, we lynched Paul who was a wolf, he turned out to be Berserker who killed the Baner. Now you're claiming Lex-Kat was the fool who had just happened to have a lucky scry.
You can twist anything to be anti-village but that's the facts right there and I'll let anyone draw their own conclusions.
I don't see me saying "We've done two banes and a scry" anywhere here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Murska
We pushed for the lynch of Irbis because he claimed to be Rider. Rider killed one of us and voided another. Again just facts here. Again you're trying to twist that to being anti-village.
We haven't pushed for the lynch of a wolf every single day because 100% accuracy is impossible. We've still done more for the village than, say, anyone in the village themselves.
So basically you're accusing the neutrals of looking out for themselves and trying to stay alive. Fine, guilty as charged there, we have attempted to not die. So have, and are, you.
EDIT: And if you're trying to make the villagers choose between a villager or a wolf win based on an epicness contest, Elder Tsofu's done all the awesome pictures for the game. He's also done a lot of great roleplay.
Two banes and at least one scry (indeterminate).
So you were working with the wolves to "steamroll" the game at the same time as "hunting down wolves and doing more for the village than the villagers."
...and you say you're just working to keep yourself alive? Man, I'd hate to have your survival instinct, I don't think there'd be anybody left.
Also of note, for epicness: If you end up lynching Murska, we'll find out what it looks like when a big green eyeball goes "nyoron~"
And on the same note, you think the dead people in narrations talking to Murska was just because a green eyeball in a suit is hilarious? Well, it is, but it's also because Murska killed them all.
Also, Rider killed one of you after you killed Irbis for not following your kill orders. Keep it straight.
So now you're claiming that wolves don't actually have a nightkill and it was the neutrals killing people all along?
Hilarious.
Also, we 1: never gave Irbis any kill orders, just offered giving him one if he'd prove his role by telling us who he tried to kill that previous night(we baned that kill). 2: Never got to see whether or not he'd have done it for he was lynched the same day he claimed. By, as you say, us.
Actually, given the roles...
Lancer and Rider are heroes being forced into doing horrible things by...
...oh dear, it's Gilgamesh, Kirei Kotomine and Shinji, isn't it? That's just spooky.
And no. Just that there hasn't been a nightkill made that you didn't direct except the first one, which Helgraf noted he liked. And Helgraf himself.
Oh by the way, villagers! I'm not much good at drawing, but I made a couple of incentives for you:
http://tf-2.fr/ach.php?a=Enemy Mine&...c=u&e=1700&f=1
http://tf-2.fr/ach.php?a=Enemy Mime&...c=l&e=1606&f=1
For reference: Enemy Mine, Enemy Mime.
The only way that'd even be possible is that we knew every wolf back on day two? three?, and have since been lynching them every opportunity while baning some of their kills while directing the others at villagers. Great, that's good for the village.
Also, stop using the fluff as basis as to why we're evil and you're heroic. If you really want to do that then start by defining good, evil and heroism. I refuse to believe in the existance of absolute moral values anyway.
I'm just saying it's an eerie parallel.
Maybe it's just because we suck as wolves, but Team "Evil" really hasn't done much.
Much, much less than you. Have you killed wolves? Sure, you've killed everybody.
Also, you have baned no one. You have protected no one. Night 2 was Paul Muad'dib finding bill. Night 4 was bill finding me. Kills after that were your targets. That leaves... oh hey, Aemoh and Helgraf that we can take credit for.
Except that Paul never found Bill, and Night 2 was Rider's attack turn.
Night 4 was Bill finding you, that might be true, but it's not like I've ever disputed that.
Nor have we ever controlled any nightkills whatsoever.
:smallconfused:
Night 3 was Rider's attack turn. I think I would know. I think you would know, too, seeing as how earlier you claimed to violate causality in killing Irbis for claiming to be Rider for killing one of you that hadn't happened yet.
Again, would you like me to dredge up the PMs saying "kill Fostire and TehSheen"? Or "kill Lex-kat"? Because I have them.
By now you probably do. It takes maybe ten minutes to fake a reasonable PM, twenty for a really believable one, and it's been longer than that from when you suddenly started talking about such PMs.
Then again, give me a while and I'll have a PM from Trixie saying that I'm actually on the villager side and not a neutral after all. Big deal.
*Looks longingly at the popcorns*
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*Fetches cheese doodles*
Wanna have some Bill?