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Re: What if Real Life worked by RAW?
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Originally Posted by
Swiftmongoose
Did you read Reincarnation's description? It says it can brung back even people who died of old age.
I literally just picked up my PHB. It specifically says (last line before the table) that it can't bring back a creature that has died of old age. It does work for up to a week after death, though. Last Breath is better because there's no level loss, but the time after death is limited to within six seconds.
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Re: What if Real Life worked by RAW?
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Originally Posted by
NNescio
You mean this part?
Alright, I'm sitting here. In front of me is the 3.5 PHB and the PF core rulebook. This is why I thought you could bring someone back if they died of old age, because that's the PF version of the spell.
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Re: What if Real Life worked by RAW?
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Originally Posted by
Swiftmongoose
Alright, I'm sitting here. In front of me is the 3.5 PHB and the PF core rulebook. This is why I thought you could bring someone back if they died of old age, because that's the PF version of the spell.
That's convenient. I haven't actually gotten around to checking that version out yet.
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Re: What if Real Life worked by RAW?
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Originally Posted by
NNescio
Still won't work on people who have already died of old age.
Too bad that all the historic people said documents would be about would have died before the 3.5 rules went into effect... Meaning, by RAW, they didn't die of old age: there hasn't been a secret roll for maximum age, nor have they reached their maximum age. Needless to say, they also would have died from reasons other than old age, as old age in and of itself doesn't specifically cause death in real-world land.
That's setting aside the popularity of awesome people who died far before their time, which I personally believe would make the majority of topics, but your mileage may vary.
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Re: What if Real Life worked by RAW?
Lets see, some figures we could bring back, since we know they didn't die of old age:Adolf Hitler(shot himself), Cleopatra(unkown, likely poisoned), Abraham Lincoln(shot), Julius Ceasear(stabbed, bled out), Elvis Presley(CON drain due to drug overdose), Blackbeard (decapitated), Pablo Escobar (shot),Grigori Rasputin (hypothermia).
On a semi related note: Hospital recovery times would be much quicker. Even if a man is brought to -9, as long as he is stabilized, he benefits from natural healing. Even assuming a level 1 character, a day of bed rest is 2 hp (even assuming their simply stabilized, then ignored, this can be raised with other peoples heal checks). So as long as they are still alive, the most someone can be in the hospital for is 5 days. And ability damage would only keep you for 8 hours, since your ability can never go below 0, so after 8 hours of rest, you'll regain one point of your ability, have an ability of 1, and be able to get back up.
Also, people would become more productive. Only spellcasters/psionicicists/meldshapers have to rest to use their abilities, everyone else functions fine without sleep, since their are no rules for lack of sleep.
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Re: What if Real Life worked by RAW?
We can't bring back people like Julius Caesar or Vercingetorix (that's one crazy name) because they've been dead for more than 2000 years. We need someone with over 200 levels in cleric to get that.
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I would think the Pope or the Dalai Lama qualify.
And personally, I would try to find a way to bring back Theodore Roosevelt, clone him, and then train him to be a druid. Not sure which spells would work.
Clearly what this country (Or any country) needs is a wildshaped Theodore Roosevelt as a bear riding a larger bear and summoning other bears while shooting a gun that shoots out more bears.
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Re: What if Real Life worked by RAW?
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Originally Posted by
Swiftmongoose
We can't bring back people like Julius Caesar or Vercingetorix (that's one crazy name) because they've been dead for more than 2000 years. We need someone with over 200 levels in cleric to get that.
They're funded by diamond barons, I think that they can wait a few days while someone levels up. After all, Clericzilla's ready and willing to fight all day against non-dispelling monsters.
Come to think of it, I guess this would put Deadliest Warrior in the obsolete bin. And it'd be a whole lot more accurate, too!
GASP we could give Amelia Earhart another shot at flying around the globe! This time without a plane!
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Re: What if Real Life worked by RAW?
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Originally Posted by
Swiftmongoose
We can't bring back people like Julius Caesar or Vercingetorix (that's one crazy name) because they've been dead for more than 2000 years. We need someone with over 200 levels in cleric to get that.
Oops, I forgot the 10 year/ level limit.
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Re: What if Real Life worked by RAW?
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Originally Posted by
Honest Tiefling
I would think the Pope or the Dalai Lama qualify.
And personally, I would try to find a way to bring back Theodore Roosevelt, clone him, and then train him to be a druid. Not sure which spells would work.
Clearly what this country (Or any country) needs is a wildshaped Theodore Roosevelt as a bear riding a larger bear and summoning other bears while shooting a gun that shoots out more bears.
Teddy was more of a Ranger - the only way he was one with nature was when his fist would punch through a wild animal. :smallbiggrin:
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Hence the training in druid. I make no claim that he used to be a druid of any sort. I guess a wildshaping ranger with the bear gun is acceptable, but he would need items to summon in more bears most likely.
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Re: What if Real Life worked by RAW?
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Originally Posted by
noparlpf
That's convenient. I haven't actually gotten around to checking that version out yet.
Still,all you have to do is wait 'til you ding into venerable and Stab yourself while your Druid buddy looks on, just make sure you've earned 1,000gp in the meantime.
Of course you keep your mental stats, just in time to collect more bonuses from ageing-->Druids are the most powerful beings on the planet, Immortal, all wise and all knowing.
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Re: What if Real Life worked by RAW?
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Originally Posted by
Dragonsoul
Still,all you have to do is wait 'til you ding into venerable and Stab yourself while your Druid buddy looks on, just make sure you've earned 1,000gp in the meantime.
Of course you keep your mental stats, just in time to collect more bonuses from ageing-->Druids are the most powerful beings on the planet, Immortal, all wise and all knowing.
Can druids take Craft Contingent Spell, or whatever that feat is called? Because then they wouldn't even need a druid buddy. They could do it all on their own.
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Re: What if Real Life worked by RAW?
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Originally Posted by
noparlpf
Can druids take Craft Contingent Spell, or whatever that feat is called? Because then they wouldn't even need a druid buddy. They could do it all on their own.
Yes, but it takes a whole freaking lot of xp, though you have a long amount of time to regain the xp.
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Re: What if Real Life worked by RAW?
and Geas is cheaper:smallbiggrin:
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Re: What if Real Life worked by RAW?
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Originally Posted by
Necroticplague
Yes, but it takes a whole freaking lot of xp, though you have a long amount of time to regain the xp.
I had a killoren druid character once who was over 300. (I seem to recall that most killoren get reincarnated at around 150, but I could be remembering incorrectly.) His thing was that he went around Awakening plants to talk to them and learn from them, which was why he was only a 16th level druid at 308 years old. (Trees are more interesting to talk to when they're smart than by using spells to talk to them.)
Of course, allowing killoren to attain venerable bonuses when they don't reach venerable was a houserule because not continuing to gain mental bonuses after all that life experience doesn't make sense.
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Craft Contingent Spell [Item Creation]
You know how to attach semipermanent spells to a creature and set them to activate under certain conditions.
Prerequisite: Caster level 11th
Benefit: You can make contingent any spell that you know. Crafting a contingent spell takes one day for each 1,000 gp in its base price (spell level x caster level x 100 gp). To craft a contingent spell, you must spend 1/25 of this base price in XP and use up raw materials costing one-half the base price. Some spells incur extra costs in material components or XP (as noted in their descriptions), which must be paid when the contingent spell is created. See Contingent Spells, page 139, for more information.
Complete Arcane page 77.
So for a druid to make Last Breath cast on him contingent on his death, it would cost him ((4x7x100)/2)+500=1.900 GP, and 56 XP. (You can craft items at a lower CL than your own; the minimum CL for Last Breath is 7.)
And Geas isn't on the druid spell list.
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Re: What if Real Life worked by RAW?
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Originally Posted by
JBento
Truth is, no-one would be able to do anything, because whatever you tried to do, people would say you can't because it's against your alignment.
My alignment is about as close to chaotic evil as any sane functioning member of society can be.
Give me D&D power? That sanity thing goes out the window and I go over the edge.
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Originally Posted by
randomhero00
I'd assume I'd be a sorcerer. But since that's a bloodline type deal it may not work. If so I'll take a class level in psion and a-hunting I will go. Grizzly bears give pretty good experience. And since RAW doesn't care if a spell caster levels up using a pointed stick only, I'll use my rifle and kill wolves and bears. That should get me started nicely.
After that I'll use my knowledge and powers to quickly make money. Then form an organization for people with super powers. But really its just to keep an eye on them. Eventually I'll research a way to sort of auto-spy them and blow up their head from any distance if they're being murderers or what have you.
After that comes social change. No more religious wars. If one starts I destroy both sides.
No more racism. If someone makes a comment they get their tongue removed.
I'd get rid of most of the politicians. Start over there. Figure out a way to force people to vote.
Then I'd try to help the poor people with food, clean water, etc.
Then tackle the energy crisis. Figure out a good way to get off petrol.
I probably forgot a few things but that about sums it up.
Wonderful! D&D world and now a BBEG to go with it? All I need is five trustworthy companions and I'm good to go.
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Re: What if Real Life worked by RAW?
Everyone would ride to work on commoner railguns, and no one would get hurt b/c moving fast doesn't have any damaging effects.
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Re: What if Real Life worked by RAW?
If a business owner is famous and is based out of a city, his business will never be effected by bad weather or natural disasters.
Conversely, if a business owner is not famous and is located in the middle of nowhere, he will never be forced to pay protection money and (if his business is failing) will be immune to unexpected tax increases.
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(pre-edit: this will probably get shot down via the Stronghold Builder's Handbook or some such, but it's worth a try.)
There's no listed price for lead, so the DM sets the price. A wise DM would set it very, very high indeed, because lead is much more useful than gold. You might find alchemists trying to turn gold into lead ... or wizards PAOing it.
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Re: What if Real Life worked by RAW?
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Originally Posted by
Ksheep
If a business owner is famous and is based out of a city, his business will never be effected by bad weather or natural disasters.
Conversely, if a business owner is not famous and is located in the middle of nowhere, he will never be forced to pay protection money and (if his business is failing) will be immune to unexpected tax increases.
Doesn't the DMG II's business rules have businesses burning down terribly often or something?
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Re: What if Real Life worked by RAW?
One could purchase endangered animal young for as little as 200 GP (Rhinoceros mount in Arms and Equipment Guide)
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Re: What if Real Life worked by RAW?
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Originally Posted by
NNescio
Doesn't the DMG II's business rules have businesses burning down terribly often or something?
It's on the Business-related encounter chart, which is "roll a d20 and add these modifiers", which is what that other stuff is. Living in a metro gives +3, being famous gives +2… and fire is a 6 on that table. So the famous person in the big city would have to roll a 1… unless his business was booming, in which case he'd get another +1 and be immune from fires as well.
EDIT: Looks like both the person in the big city and the person in the middle of nowhere are equally likely to have bad competition.
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Re: What if Real Life worked by RAW?
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Originally Posted by
Ksheep
It's on the Business-related encounter chart, which is "roll a d20 and add these modifiers", which is what that other stuff is. Living in a metro gives +3, being famous gives +2… and fire is a 6 on that table. So the famous person in the big city would have to roll a 1… unless his business was booming, in which case he'd get another +1 and be immune from fires as well.
EDIT: Looks like both the person in the big city and the person in the middle of nowhere are equally likely to have bad competition.
Have another .07 of an internet. :smallbiggrin:
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Re: What if Real Life worked by RAW?
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Originally Posted by
Ksheep
One could purchase endangered animal young for as little as 200 GP
Which, when converted to current gold prices, comes out to $96,000 dollars. Start saving your pennies now.
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Re: What if Real Life worked by RAW?
As long as we're talking economics, note that the current economy would be non-existent, because all professions would pay the same, and only skill would make a difference. Likewise, all trade would grind to a halt, since all items would cost the same no matter where they're made. Out would all be like some hippy's dream.
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Re: What if Real Life worked by RAW?
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Originally Posted by
hamishspence
"Good" means "makes personal sacrifices to help strangers" but a good person might not be especially physically brave.
Similarly "hurting and oppressing others" is common enough, that I would say evil alignment is not significantly less common than Neutral alignment.
So while I'd agree with "neutral is the most typical alignment" I am a bit more dubious about "most people are Neutral".
I thought humans officially had "no preference for any particular alignment", which (I assume) would mean there would be an equal number of people with each alignment.
Indeed, just as humans are the base-line for attributes, maybe they can be seen as the baseline for alignment as well. The evilest third are by definition Evil (or Evil by definition represents the behaviour of the evilest third of humanity), the "goodest" third define Good, and the intermediates define Neutral. Ditto for Law/Chaos.
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Re: What if Real Life worked by RAW?
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Originally Posted by
Chess435
I've heard discussions about applying Real Life Physics to D&D, but let's examine the flip side of the coin. What if you woke up one morning and realized that instead of the normal laws of reality, RAW was the guiding principle of the universe? (Would catgirls spontaneously reanimate? :smallwink:)
Dude, I'd be rejoicing, and taking levels in wizard, then exploiting my way to xp.
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Disturbing thought: Could we actually create computers or the internet via RAW? Can't remember the rules for electricity and metals (if there even are any), although I'm sure that we could create a magical equivalent. I tend to remember someone mentioning making an undead-powered computer on one of these threads.
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Re: What if Real Life worked by RAW?
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Originally Posted by
Ksheep
Disturbing thought: Could we actually create computers or the internet via RAW? Can't remember the rules for electricity and metals (if there even are any), although I'm sure that we could create a magical equivalent. I tend to remember someone mentioning making an undead-powered computer on one of these threads.
Depends on how you define "computer," I guess.
At the very least I do not think you could make a cost-effective computer.