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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XXVII
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Originally Posted by
Zaq
While this is entirely true, I still giggle when I think about the time we had two VoP prostitutes. Ardent Dilettante, I believe.
you are correct, it was ardent dilettante. that was an awesome round, and those two builds were quite inventive. I liked the one who was the emancipated interviewed by the paladin, that was really funny. the judges' reactions to two VoP prostitutes were great.
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Originally Posted by
flabort
Whoop, forget I said this.
:smallbiggrin: Thanks, Venger.
you are quite welcome.
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XXVII
I hate multiclass skills.
Fixed em, but it was such a stupid mistake.
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XXVII
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Originally Posted by
Sgt. Cookie
I hate multiclass skills.
Fixed em, but it was such a stupid mistake.
yeah, mindbender's incredibly awkward in that way.
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XXVII
It wasn't mindbender per sey, that was the easy part of my build. It was multiclass skills in general that I hate.
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XXVII
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Originally Posted by
Sgt. Cookie
It wasn't mindbender per sey, that was the easy part of my build. It was multiclass skills in general that I hate.
ah, okay, I feel ya. I just meant that the prereq skills for mindbender are sort of oddballs, it's hard to get them all as class skills without shooting yourself in the foot. multiclass skills tick me off too. I'm too spoiled from playing factoti:smallbiggrin:
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XXVII
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Originally Posted by
gbprime
Okay, so you have Complete Arcane covered now, cool. But what if I pull something out of a Forgotten Realms splatbook or Dragon Magazine Compendium? Can you check my math, so to speak?
I've judged several of these without DMC. The secret is just to ask this forum or someone you know. Within 5 minutes you typically have all the info you need for it.
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XXVII
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Originally Posted by
Venger
ah, okay, I feel ya. I just meant that the prereq skills for mindbender are sort of oddballs, it's hard to get them all as class skills without shooting yourself in the foot. multiclass skills tick me off too. I'm too spoiled from playing factoti:smallbiggrin:
Meh, as long as you get 4sp/level, anyone can enter by 5th level which is part of the "standard" entry prereqs anyway. 5th level arcane caster is (IMO) much harder for non-standard entries.
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XXVII
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Originally Posted by
Diefje
Meh, as long as you get 4sp/level, anyone can enter by 5th level which is part of the "standard" entry prereqs anyway. 5th level arcane caster is (IMO) much harder for non-standard entries.
oh, getting the skills isn't the hard part, those skillpoints are easy enough to happen upon. it's the opportunity cost of not putting skillpoints in other stuff as a result that's really hurting you. yeah, it would be. you gotta get creative
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XXVII
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Originally Posted by
Venger
oh, getting the skills isn't the hard part, those skillpoints are easy enough to happen upon. it's the opportunity cost of not putting skillpoints in other stuff as a result that's really hurting you. yeah, it would be. you gotta get creative
And heck, if you don't mind a late entry, you can cross class some or all of those skills at only 4 ranks. That might be an elegance hit, but your mileage may vary. :smallwink:
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XXVII
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Originally Posted by
gbprime
And heck, if you don't mind a late entry, you can cross class some or all of those skills at only 4 ranks. That might be an elegance hit, but your mileage may vary. :smallwink:
yeah, depends on how much the judges care about you taking all the mindbender levels ASAP, everyone's different about that.
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XXVII
So...prepping to PM the build, noticed tons of editing errors, fixed them, hit send...and got a server too busy error :smallfurious:
These things are a lot more work than I thought, great credit to everyone who puts the time in :smallsmile:
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XXVII
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Originally Posted by
Venger
yeah, depends on how much the judges care about you taking all the mindbender levels ASAP, everyone's different about that.
Well when I'm a judge, I care about whether the class abilities are taken at a level when they'll be useful or not. Getting the ability to cure 20 hp of damage a day is pretty good at 6th level, but much less so at 16th.
I can't say what our judges this time will decide, but the capstone ability (Thrall) mimics a 9th level spell, and getting it before 17th level is therefore a step ahead of the curve, whereas getting it at 20th is a touch behind.
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XXVII
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Originally Posted by
gbprime
Well when I'm a judge, I care about whether the class abilities are taken at a level when they'll be useful or not. Getting the ability to cure 20 hp of damage a day is pretty good at 6th level, but much less so at 16th.
I can't say what our judges this time will decide, but the capstone ability (Thrall) mimics a 9th level spell, and getting it before 17th level is therefore a step ahead of the curve, whereas getting it at 20th is a touch behind.
aye but 9th level casting has so many other goodies attached. so you are still behind the curve considering how many caster levels you are giving up.
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XXVII
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Originally Posted by
Narsis
aye but 9th level casting has so many other goodies attached. so you are still behind the curve considering how many caster levels you are giving up.
If the PrC had the ability to be out in front of said curve, or even vaguely close to it, it wouldn't be our special ingredient, now would it?:smallamused:
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XXVII
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Originally Posted by
gbprime
If the PrC had the ability to be out in front of said curve, or even vaguely close to it, it wouldn't be our special ingredient, now would it?:smallamused:
very true.
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XXVII
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Originally Posted by
gbprime
If the PrC had the ability to be out in front of said curve, or even vaguely close to it, it wouldn't be our special ingredient, now would it?:smallamused:
Not necessarily, we've had nice PrCs before. War Mind and Master of Masks are both decently powered.
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XXVII
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Originally Posted by
Cieyrin
Not necessarily, we've had nice PrCs before. War Mind and Master of Masks are both decently powered.
I've never seen anyone really take more than one level of master of masks for the exotic weapons.
Also one of my favorite PrCs was done in IC, the dervish.
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XXVII
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Originally Posted by
Cieyrin
Not necessarily, we've had nice PrCs before. War Mind and Master of Masks are both decently powered.
Divine Crusader is also pretty solid, if only for the fact that it fast-tracks you to 9th level spells by 16th level.
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XXVII
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Originally Posted by
Grey McBannert
Divine Crusader is also pretty solid, if only for the fact that it fast-tracks you to 9th level spells by 16th level.
well, 9th level spell but your point is well made
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XXVII
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Originally Posted by
Amphetryon
A PrC that expressly requires [some form of] Leadership is banned, as you're not allowed to take it for the Iron Chef Optimization Challenges.
A PrC that grants [some form of] Leadership may be taken, but any use of or benefit from that Leadership ability is ignored. This may or may not make the PrC entirely undesirable for your purposes.
Does the ban on the Leadership feat extend to similar/related feats, such as Dragon Cohort, Wild Cohort, Undead Leadership etc. ?
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Originally Posted by
Venger
well, 9th level spell but your point is well made
There a few ways to expand from your 1 spell/level class list, using DC casting as the chassis, though.
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XXVII
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Originally Posted by
Thurbane
There a few ways to expand from your 1 spell/level class list, using DC casting as the chassis, though.
oh, I see, use DC's casting to fulfill "must be able to cast such and such level divine spells" by getting in early. that's cute, I never thought of that before. that would explain its popularity around here
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XXVII
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Originally Posted by
Thurbane
Does the ban on the Leadership feat extend to similar/related feats, such as Dragon Cohort, Wild Cohort, Undead Leadership etc. ?
It has historically. I'm not going to be the one to break that particular dam.
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XXVII
KNow that feeling that goes: "Man this is a sweet build, can't wait to enter my first IC and see what everybody thinks of my build... Hmm... better look that rule up one more time that i was a bit in doubt about... FECK! that makes the whole build illegal" =(
oh well... back to the drawing board =P
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XXVII
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Originally Posted by
Amphetryon
It has historically. I'm not going to be the one to break that particular dam.
I seem to remember Wild Cohort making an appearance before. It's not really on the level of the other ones, anyway.
Edit: Tamalin in IC XVIII at the least. I remember, because I judged that one.
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XXVII
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Originally Posted by
dextercorvia
I seem to remember Wild Cohort making an appearance before. It's not really on the level of the other ones, anyway.
Edit: Tamalin in IC XVIII at the least. I remember, because I judged that one.
Good catch. I hadn't had coffee yet. Wild Cohort is generally fine, though judges are free to quibble.
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XXVII
in the table there is a spot for BAB fort ref will and skills
I needed to know real quick, If we are supposed to list base and ranks or are we supposed to add it all together and list final bonus?
for example a lvl 1 rogue with a 17 dex, 12 con, 12 wisdom and weapon finesse
would his chart say rogue / +0 / +0 / +2/ +0 4ranks in tumble
or would it say rogue / +2/ +1/ +4/ +1 and +6 tumble modifier
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XXVII
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Originally Posted by
Gotterdammerung
in the table there is a spot for BAB fort ref will and skills
I needed to know real quick, If we are supposed to list base and ranks or are we supposed to add it all together and list final bonus?
for example a lvl 1 rogue with a 17 dex, 12 con, 12 wisdom and weapon finesse
would his chart say rogue / +0 / +0 / +2/ +0 4ranks in tumble
or would it say rogue / +2/ +1/ +4/ +1 and +6 tumble modifier
?
I have always just included the base bonus, and the number of ranks, never the combined bonus including ability scores.
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XXVII
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Originally Posted by
Gotterdammerung
in the table there is a spot for BAB fort ref will and skills
I needed to know real quick, If we are supposed to list base and ranks or are we supposed to add it all together and list final bonus?
for example a lvl 1 rogue with a 17 dex, 12 con, 12 wisdom and weapon finesse
would his chart say rogue / +0 / +0 / +2/ +0 4ranks in tumble
or would it say rogue / +2/ +1/ +4/ +1 and +6 tumble modifier
?
Don't add in the stats and equipment, you describe those in your writeup. So for each level...
0/0/2/0 Tumble 4
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XXVII
Thanks so much for the quick answers. I can now proceed :smallredface:
(That was the answer I was secretly hoping for as well :smallwink:)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XXVII
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Originally Posted by
Amphetryon
Good catch. I hadn't had coffee yet. Wild Cohort is generally fine, though judges are free to quibble.
Just remember the SI is supposed to be the star. "hey look at my completely unplayable dude, but he has a sweet pet!"