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Re: Gunnerkrigg Court 3: Mystery Solved!
Holy - or in this case, unholy - crap. :smalleek:
Run away.
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That's it. Coyote has officially moved from creepy to ****ing terrifying.
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Keep in mind Coyote said he would "Keep hold of it" instead of "get rid of it". Does that imply that he plans to USE THEM down the line? The first thing that comes to mind is that he can cripple Yssengrim with guilt with these memories when he wants to, but that implies he would need to do so. Perhaps he plans to turn him into a berzerker?
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Oh. I guess Coyote is evil then.
I didn't know that.
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This explains so much. About Reynard and Ysengrin.
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Originally Posted by
PhantomFox
Keep in mind Coyote said he would "Keep hold of it" instead of "get rid of it". Does that imply that he plans to USE THEM down the line? The first thing that comes to mind is that he can cripple Yssengrim with guilt with these memories when he wants to, but that implies he would need to do so. Perhaps he plans to turn him into a berzerker?
Eh, Coyote was wrapping the whole thing in Faux-Friend language. I doubt he plans to give it back anytime soon.
This could explain Ysengrim's madness. If Coyote keeps yanking memories out of his head.
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Luzahn
Oh. I guess Coyote is evil then.
I didn't know that.
Coyote is large. He contains multitudes. He isn't human, and trying to slot him into a human system of morality is bound to end badly. I complained earlier in the thread that I was hoping to get a reminder of the fact that Coyote isn't (just) a harmless prankster, and I'm very much satisfied.
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SlyGuyMcFly
That's it. Coyote has officially moved from creepy to ****ing terrifying.
Thats exactly what I wanted! Its like this chapter is entirely for me! :smallbiggrin:
Maybe all that Coyote wants is to eat BRAINS
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Oh, yeah. Coyote knows how to turn the creepy up to 11.
Anyone else notice that that's not Coyote's paw doing that? It's Ysengrin's tree-armor hand.
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John Campbell
Oh, yeah. Coyote knows how to turn the creepy up to 11.
Anyone else notice that that's not Coyote's paw doing that? It's Ysengrin's tree-armor hand.
I believe the court hinted at Ysengrin being considered nothing but Coyote's puppet earlier, so it makes a bit of sense to see it literally.
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Pretty sure that's just Coyote's hand. He has them sometimes.
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John Campbell
Anyone else notice that that's not Coyote's paw doing that? It's Ysengrin's tree-armor hand.
Coyote's hands just look like that.
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Yuki Akuma
Coyote's hands just look like that.
Making it clear that every star is a memory!
(Not a serious post)
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Bilious
Making it clear that every star is a memory!
(Not a serious post)
You say that, but Coyote did mention to Annie to 'ask Jones about the stars' or something like that. Maybe they're all memories he's stolen. Yay, wild guessing.
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Bilious
Making it clear that every star is a memory!
(Not a serious post)
Or that every memory is a star. Thus when we look up and see the constellations, we are seeing the memories of our ancestors. Hence light pollution.:smallamused:
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Rockphed
Or that every memory is a star. Thus when we look up and see the constellations, we are seeing the memories of our ancestors. Hence light pollution.:smallamused:
Didn't Coyote have something to do with stars in certain mythos?
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Ravens_cry
Didn't Coyote have something to do with stars in certain mythos?
Well, we already know that he put them there.
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memnarch
Yeah, I thought I remembered something like that.
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No he didn't. He was just retconed into existence by belief.
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Scowling Dragon
No he didn't. He was just retconed into existence by belief.
My understanding is that he's not seriously suggesting that as a theory, but rather that he said it knowing it would drive Ysengrin and Annie apart.
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Marnath
My understanding is that he's not seriously suggesting that as a theory, but rather that he said it knowing it would drive Ysengrin and Annie apart.
But why then would he ask Annie to ask Jones re: the stars? It wasn't mentioned to Ysengrin, and I'm not sure that a mention of Jones i.e. Wandering Eye would serve to affect the situation. No, I'm thinking that Coyote put forth the theory to drive apart Ysengrin and Annie, but that it would only be a happy side-effect to his true aim, which is probably either to expose Wandering Eye and force her back to the Forest, or to get Jeanne out of the Annan Waters in order to leave the Court defenseless against him. Or something else entirely, it's not as though we mere mortals can figure out why something like Coyote would do anything.
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Connington
Coyote is large. He contains multitudes. He isn't human, and trying to slot him into a human system of morality is bound to end badly. I complained earlier in the thread that I was hoping to get a reminder of the fact that Coyote isn't (just) a harmless prankster, and I'm very much satisfied.
Coyote is a product of the minds of humans, not an entirely alien entity. I'd say that he can, at least loosely, be bound by our morality.
Besides, that was more for comedic effect than anything. :smalltongue:
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Luzahn
Coyote is a product of the minds of humans, not an entirely alien entity. I'd say that he can, at least loosely, be bound by our morality.
Besides, that was more for comedic effect than anything. :smalltongue:
Trouble is there's no such thing as "our" morality. Anything you can do, there's a group of humans out there that's totally cool with it.
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Landis963
we mere mortals can figure out why something like Coyote would do anything.
For fun? Cause it amuses him? I think thats 90% of his motivation.
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Is Coyote more about twisting the truth till what he wants to be seen is seen or just outright contradicting reality with no twist?
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Marnath
Trouble is there's no such thing as "our" morality. Anything you can do, there's a group of humans out there that's totally cool with it.
While it is true that there are outliers, it is also true that much of humanity for a large portion of our history has had certain commonalities in their beliefs on what is ethical and acceptable. It is hard to lay down specific tenants of "our" morality, but common broader principles can be found in our earliest written records.
There are humans out there who believe that anything is acceptable, so long as you can get away with it, but a significant portion of the human population would not agree with this position and would have some degree of commonality in the things they did agree upon as acceptable, even if the details did differ significantly.
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Word! That is a convenient - and disturbing - placement of Coyote's head. Would Ysengrin make his humanoid body anatomically correct? There would be no reason for that, but still...
And Yse is back to normal. Which is horrific now that we know what his 'normal' consists of. :smalleek:
RE Coyote being evil by human standards: Yes, he may be. His methods certainly seem to be. But we'll have to know what he's trying to do before we can say for sure. One thing I think we can assume is that this brings to an end for the foreseeable future Annie's visits to the Forest. Coyote won't be able to allow Annie and Ysengrin together again without risking her saying something about this incident, and Ysengrin either losing it - again - or realizing his mind is being tampered with.
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eee
There would be no reason for that, but still...
To torment him some more eg:
"Here is a body. Its more powerful then the one you have. It also looks like a humans body =D"
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Neon Knight
While it is true that there are outliers, it is also true that much of humanity for a large portion of our history has had certain commonalities in their beliefs on what is ethical and acceptable. It is hard to lay down specific tenants of "our" morality, but common broader principles can be found in our earliest written records.
There are humans out there who believe that anything is acceptable, so long as you can get away with it, but a significant portion of the human population would not agree with this position and would have some degree of commonality in the things they did agree upon as acceptable, even if the details did differ significantly.
My point is, they may be outliers, but Coyote never said he only draws on certain kinds of people so he must use them all.
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Originally Posted by
Luzahn
Coyote is a product of the minds of humans, not an entirely alien entity. I'd say that he can, at least loosely, be bound by our morality.
Besides, that was more for comedic effect than anything. :smalltongue:
But he's created from human minds as a malignant other.