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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
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Originally Posted by uncool
Well, the body language of the Eld says that they're angry.
Looks more like a standard "powerful sage" pose. Although, given that them having an argument with Nimmel would screw up the pacing even further, I am hesitant to cling to either theory.
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Originally Posted by
random11
So if the time theory is correct, they will probably worship Nimmel.
The time theory doesn't need to be correct for people to worship Nimmel, as documented numerous times. We need a bit more justification before we can turn Dominic Deegan into The Chronicles of Narnia.
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
It looks like you have all forgotten what the basic tenets of Dominic Deegan. Nimmel will fail (while still being cool. The Eld will just they they can't help). All of Dominic's friends and family will fail. How else can Dominic be uber cool and defeat the king's enchantment all by himself before he defeats him? What the group is doing is show us that it's either Dominic's way or no way.
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
That's true, but on the other hand, the Eld are the least likely ally against the king (Why didn't they contact the orcs instead?), so the most mookie thing would be to have them be the ones to actually end up joining the fight.
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Originally Posted by
Traab
Nope, there were a few survivors. One lost a limb and they made mention of her at the first battle for barthis talking about how she couldnt get a fake limb due to something something infernal magic or whatever.
Oh yeah, you're right. Point stands, though, if they were characters instead of sock puppets, Miranda and Nimmel should be somewhat more reluctant about letting those guys play in the laser beam cross fire.
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
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Originally Posted by
Johnny Blade
(Why didn't they contact the orcs instead?)
An unexpected bout of common sense on the Deegans' part? Given what we saw in Maltak, the orcs would be about as useful in the fight against the King as a piece of styrofoam on a string.
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
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Originally Posted by
Johnny Blade
That's true, but on the other hand, the Eld are the least likely ally against the king (Why didn't they contact the orcs instead?), so the most mookie thing would be to have them be the ones to actually end up joining the fight.
Oh yeah, you're right. Point stands, though, if they were characters instead of sock puppets, Miranda and Nimmel should be somewhat more reluctant about letting those guys play in the laser beam cross fire.
Mookie is deliberately not mentioning the orcs so they can barge in and save Dominic at the last minute. Dominic will say that he planned this with them off-screen and he was only pretending to not know what the hell he was doing (just like his writer.)
Imagine the rockon value of Stonewater's orc army battling the battlecats.
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
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Originally Posted by
guttering flame
It looks like you have all forgotten what the basic tenets of Dominic Deegan. Nimmel will fail (while still being cool. The Eld will just they they can't help). All of Dominic's friends and family will fail. How else can Dominic be uber cool and defeat the king's enchantment all by himself before he defeats him? What the group is doing is show us that it's either Dominic's way or no way.
This is a "bring it all" last arc.
So while they will not reach Dominic on time for whatever-it-is, there are plenty of bad guys to share.
Nimmel will probably face TIM, not sure if alone or with dragon-Luna.
I'm also predicting at least two more artificial conflicts, both Stunt and Quilt still need to prove they are useful (assuming Mookie didn't just forget about them).
The orcs will show in the epilogue, when flowers and plants suddenly pop out of the ground.
That is, if they won't all be dead as cannon fodder to show how EVIL the king is.
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
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Originally Posted by
T-O-E
Imagine the rockon value of Stonewater's orc army battling the battlecats.
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battling the battlecats
Oh man, if king's forces would include a ragiment of cats in battle aromours I might consider giving DD another chance...
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
"How else can Dominic be uber cool and defeat the king's enchantment all by himself before he defeats him?"
So far Dominic has made 2 blunders imo, trying to look at heart of magic and giving himself up to King David.
He also has been arrogant to Celesto Morgan in a way that reminded me of B5 Sheridan being arrogant to Londo and the Centari which helped the evil drakh secretly control them... in end when Centari capital world is bombed and then Centari are expected to pay reparations... not much thought goes into looking at why and that the Centari might now really be victims as well. Londo ends up a hero who saves Sheridan's butt at cost of his own life. Same could happen here.
I don't see Dominic as being portrayed any more "superhero" than Sheridan now, mostly "superhero" but with a few noticeable flaws.
As far as arcs go, I think this last one is above average for DD standards.
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
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Originally Posted by
T-O-E
Imagine the rockon value of Stonewater's orc army battling the battlecats.
Oh, no.
No no no no no no no no no no no...
The orcs use Chandak drummers in their magic. In Mookie parlance, that means they are fueled by the power of rock.
Greg's terrible band is going to supplement their Chandak drumming with METAL screaming, and when the Heart of Magic goes back to the orcs, Greg's going to become some sort of Super-Awesome Ultra Metal Chandak.
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
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Originally Posted by
multilis
As far as arcs go, I think this last one is above average for DD standards.
Really? For me this arc currently like a worse version of Maltak. No-one is actually doing anything, they're all blandly meeting up with every single character that ever appeared in this comic and seeing if they die of Dave-rot or not. At least in Maltak meeting up with people was more of an event and there was an attempt at some character stories.
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
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Originally Posted by
multilis
So far Dominic has made 2 blunders imo, trying to look at heart of magic and giving himself up to King David.
I'm pretty sure that these are the only two things that Dominic has actively done since....
.....Wow, I genuinely can't remember the last time that Dominic went out and did something. Maybe the sword-crying attempts from last year? :smalltongue:
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
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Originally Posted by
Wraith
I'm pretty sure that these are the only two things that Dominic has actively done since....
.....Wow, I genuinely can't remember the last time that Dominic went out and did something. Maybe the sword-crying attempts from last year? :smalltongue:
I don't think his attempt to meet Celesto or his new method for sword-scrying count, given he never followed up with taking those anywhere.
Attempting to look at the Heart of Magic and giving himself up to King DJ won't count either unless they go somewhere. The only way it makes sense if is Mookie intends it to be a massive act of hubris on Dom's part. If the story goes that route then genuine credit to Mookie, but I really, really doubt anything like that will ever happen.
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
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Originally Posted by
Traab
why would the murderous monster STOP killing student wizards?
I think that is a bit uncalled for.
Here is a timeline:
Sometime in the (no so distant) past he makes a deal with a demon for power.
Sometime in the (even less distant) past he regrets it.
He researches and seeks a cure with his friend.
He is stopped for no obvious reason other then the bigotry of someone who was not willing to allow him to escape his mistake, is banished to hell and losses his friend.
He battles through hell to earn his freedom.
He is offered a deal freedom for revenge.
He takes the deal (not particularly heroic but who can blame him).
He hunts for his target and finds a school, he offers a peaceful resolution and is refused.
When someone sees sense he leaves without continuing the damage (pity no-one thought if it earlier).
He tries to fulfil his bargain in a speedy manner.
He is stopped and shown that he is free already, yet for some reason he still wants revenge on the person that had him sent to hell and also seemed to have removed his friend from existence.
He is removed from existence.
He makes a new friend.
He gets out and works to free his new pal.
While not a hero he has some positive and likeable qualities, loyalty, respect for freedom, holds to his word, rational, pragmatic, willing to see both sides of an argument.
Possibly the greatest character in the story.
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
I think TIM is the only major DD villain whose actions you can't justify or humanise. Guy is just evil. It's weird that he was the voice of reason last arc though.
Even the Beast is more sympathetic than him. That is an extraordinary failure on Mookie's part.
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Originally Posted by
Mewtarthio
Oh, no.
No no no no no no no no no no no...
The orcs use Chandak drummers in their magic. In Mookie parlance, that means they are fueled by the power of rock.
Greg's terrible band is going to supplement their Chandak drumming with METAL screaming, and when the Heart of Magic goes back to the orcs, Greg's going to become some sort of Super-Awesome Ultra Metal Chandak.
I don't think we've seen any human chandaks yet. If orc chandaks are powerful, a human chandak would be unstoppable!
Like how Nimmel is a better werewolf than most werewolves.
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
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Originally Posted by
Trazoi
Attempting to look at the Heart of Magic and giving himself up to King DJ won't count either unless they go somewhere.
I'm counting these as something that Dominic has done, because they were active decisions. Everything Dominic knew told him not to look at the Heart of Magic, but he rationalized it to himself and made the conscious decision to take a risk.
Okay, it didn't achieve much. It's not Dominic's fault that he is both passive *AND* incompetent.... :smalltongue:
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Originally Posted by
Traab
why would the murderous monster STOP killing student wizards?
Because he had what he wanted, and needed go no further; The students were no threat to him, their deaths would not serve him in any way except perhaps to further rile their protector. Because he didn't kill for the sake of killing, because he had a goal in mind and was not a one-dimensional, easily distracted fool. Because he knows mercy.
All traits, as it happens, that are not shared with the Deegans.....
Our heroes, The Protagonists, ladies and gentlemen! :smalltongue:
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
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Originally Posted by
Wraith
I'm counting these as something that Dominic has done, because they were active decisions. Everything Dominic knew told him not to look at the Heart of Magic, but he rationalized it to himself and made the conscious decision to take a risk.
Okay, it didn't achieve much. It's not Dominic's fault that he is both passive *AND* incompetent.... :smalltongue:
Oh right, my bad. You can't get more active a decision than summarily giving yourself up to the bad guys. I was distracted by how amazingly stupid that decision was.
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
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Originally Posted by
multilis
"How else can Dominic be uber cool and defeat the king's enchantment all by himself before he defeats him?"
So far Dominic has made 2 blunders imo, trying to look at heart of magic and giving himself up to King David.
Not so sure about the heart of magic yet, since we haven't seen any positive or negative impact from looking at it.
Dominic giving himself up is a writer flaw and not a character flaw.
If it was only Dominic sneaking out and surrendering to save his friends, it would have been a mistake made by a character.
But when all the protagonists agreed to this action, never bothered to contact the right people before he did, and didn't even consider an alternative plan, that's not Dominic's flaw.
The way Dominic treats Celesto is the same thing.
It's not just Dominic since the rest of the gang treats him the same way.
And all this is without mentioning the news posts, that usually consider the character's actions to be "cool".
The only exception so far is the ominous post about the cost Dominic will pay for looking at the heart of magic. If it actually develops into something, I'll count it as Dominic's character flaw.
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Sneaky
Future
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
Ah, but of course. Our heroes are just so Great at everything that even the hyperadvanced ancient civilization took notice of their amazing skills.
How did they know Steffanie's name? Whatever, they're mystical and omniscient and stuff. But the heroes are still Better.
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
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Originally Posted by
Mr. McGician
How did they know Steffanie's name? Whatever, they're mystical and omniscient and stuff. But the heroes are still Better.
They didn't know about Klo Tark. They didn't know about Klo Tark even after reading Nimmel's mind to learn about why he's there, which is to tell them about Klo Tark.
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
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Trazoi
They didn't know about Klo Tark. They didn't know about Klo Tark even after reading Nimmel's mind to learn about why he's there, which is to tell them about Klo Tark.
Their omniscience is limited to the trivial. It's a step in the right direction for Mookie's writing.
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
Nimmel is so great, guys.
It will turn out that Klo Tark was a criminal who was given the worst punishment the Eld had: they exiled him to Dominia. He reformed later though.
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
I actually groaned when they said the thing about the power and precision.
I'm glad I live alone.
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
That... Newspost...
:smallfurious::smallfurious: I am so glad I don't normally read those things, because that made Andrew Hussie's narration look modest, and at least Hussie is trying to be funny when he does it. Mookiee? Changing the lines there somewhat is, to put it bluntly, not impressive. We didn't need to know that. The expression of the Eld was fine for that. You don't need to smugly explain a stupid artistic choice.
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
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Squark
That... Newspost...
:smallfurious::smallfurious: I am so glad I don't normally read those things, because that made Andrew Hussie's narration look modest, and at least Hussie is trying to be funny when he does it. Mookiee? Changing the lines there somewhat is, to put it bluntly, not impressive. We didn't need to know that. The expression of the Eld was fine for that. You don't need to smugly explain a stupid artistic choice.
Especially when, as pointed out, they just read your mind and should know that.
The real rule of DD is the newspost always makes it worse.
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
The newsposts have never given me a greater appreciation of the comic. Whenever Mookie talks about how he used so and so to create dramatic tension or comedic value, well, why bother? The things he uses are really simple and basic with the end result being completely unimpressive or contradictory to what he set out to do.
The worst one was when he had the epiphany, after +ten years of writing in a visual medium, that sometimes silence is more effective than words (which he soon forgot anyway.)
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
Wait.
Wait, wait wait.
Wait.
Wait.
Wait.
Waaiitt.....
Wait.
Those lines around everyone weren't just the elemental plane of air?
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
There are only three locations in Dominic Deegan: white void, black void and stink lines. Occasionally there is a wall or ball made of smaller balls.
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
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Originally Posted by
Squark
That... Newspost...
:smallfurious::smallfurious: I am so glad I don't normally read those things, because that made Andrew Hussie's narration look modest, and at least Hussie is trying to be funny when he does it. Mookiee? Changing the lines there somewhat is, to put it bluntly, not impressive. We didn't need to know that. The expression of the Eld was fine for that. You don't need to smugly explain a stupid artistic choice.
The best part was this bit:
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The dotted lines that signify scrying and/or a mental connection of some kind
So basically, even Mookie doesn't know what's going on.
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
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Originally Posted by
Mr. McGician
How did they know Steffanie's name? Whatever, they're mystical and omniscient and stuff. But the heroes are still Better.
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Originally Posted by
Trazoi
They didn't know about Klo Tark. They didn't know about Klo Tark even after reading Nimmel's mind to learn about why he's there, which is to tell them about Klo Tark.
The obvious answer is that these aren't the Eld at all. They are a group of trickster faeries who have been eavesdropping on the group. Steffanie's spell was a total failure, but the faeries created the illusion of it succeeding. All the information that they "magically" know is just stuff they overheard. Those expressions in the last panel? "Oh, crap, he called our bluff! Think of some way to spin this, quick!"
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Re: Dominic Deegan, Mk. XLVII: A Flat World From Recycled Scrap
BTW, can anyone remember when Nimmel met or heard of Klo-Tark?