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I also forgot, regarding Shank's display of CH on Whitebeard's ship; Right there we saw it do environmental damage. I don't think anyone else has displayed that skill yet (though I'd imagine Rayleigh probably is able to).
Shank's role in the complete story is one of the things I look forward to most in all of One Piece. Oda has made a deliberate point to tell us that both Luffy and Shanks don't want to meet each other until the end. I'm just so curious as to how much is left after they actually meet.
Additionally related to Shanks, Mihawk's actual role is intriguing too. The way Oda writes the story these days, I will be shocked if Mihawk is "only" the world's best swordsman. He has a clear connection to Shanks with them being rivals and him stepping down from Marineford pretty much the moment Shanks appeared. It's not impossible to think he might be an actual Red Hair pirate on a sleeper agent mission as a shichibukai, or something. Oda can probably make that way more interesting than I ever could.
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I actually kinda like the idea of shanks being his final instructor in how to use conquerors haki. A sort of "Ok, you passed the final exam by getting here. Time to teach you what that special haki of yours can REALLY do." Maybe along with some sort of revelation that shanks could have become the pirate king, he just didnt want to. We have already seen various hints of just how strong he is. Mihawk used to treat him as a rival, he was able to make kaido back down about marineford, even with one arm he was able to end the war at marineford being pretty much the first and only time we have ever seen akianu back down in his pursuit of "absolute justice" Basically, everything we see him take seriously signifies that he is a real power, one that even the other yonko and marines are extremely wary of provoking. Not wanting to be king would also fit in well with his personality I think.
No, i think thats just wishful thinking about a favorite character. We already had Whitebeard as the person who could have become the Pirate King had he actually aimed for it.
He is a Yonko, that already is an extremely high position, one thats enough to explain peoples reaction to him.
Akianu had to back down when Shawks stepped in, by the simple reason that while the Whitebeard Pirates were withdrawing they were not destroyed. They had a long list of extremely powerful names left, like Marco or Ivankov. Had Shanks stepped in to aid them the marines would be crushed, and Akianu knew that.
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Given that Shanks is the only person we've seen who can damage solid objects at a distance with Conqueror's Haki, and even when not using it at full force as he mentions' he's trying to keep a lid on it but having a hard time keeping 100% of a lid on it on his enemy's ship, I don't think it's that Wishful a thought process.
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There is also this. So far as we know, its just shanks and his crew. Every other yonko (But blackbeard i guess for right now) has also come along with a fairly established army. Big mom and her forces, kaido and his artificial zoans, whitebeard and that vast alliance of his. They all tend to claim large amounts of territory. But shanks? He is a yonko, yet has his one ship, his one crew (badass as they doubtless are) and thats about all we know he has right now. And yet he is still powerful enough to be a yonko. That suggests to me that he is powerful enough to not need an army to be a yonko level threat. All these clues may just be red herrings or whatever, but honestly? It all seems to add up to shanks being a lot more than we think. I may be wrong, it may be that he is just a lazy yonko. Unlike the others he isnt interested in territory or loot or ruling, he just is powerful enough to protect his nakama and thats all he cares about. But the potential is there.
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Given that Shanks is the only person we've seen who can damage solid objects at a distance with Conqueror's Haki, and even when not using it at full force as he mentions' he's trying to keep a lid on it but having a hard time keeping 100% of a lid on it on his enemy's ship, I don't think it's that Wishful a thought process.
And Whitebeard is the only person we have seen able to crack an island. And Big Mom is the only person we have seen able to scoup someones soul/lifeforce out of their body.
I dont contest that Shawks is the greatest wilder of Conquers Haki, only that it means he could have become Pirate King.
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It sounded like you were contesting that there was any real merit to the idea that near the end Shanks is going to have a couple of tricks to teach Luffy as a final teacher along the journey.
Also, Whitebeard and Big Mom are Devil Fruit users, them having a unique trick is sort of default because Devil Fruit. Shanks, OTOH, is evidently a Haki and Martial Arts specialist. Him having a special trick means it can be passed on, and that it's probably even more special, ironically enough.
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Unrelated note, the Gorosei. Anyone have any theories or random guesses about these dudes they want to toss out here? As an example, does anyone think that there will be a time where they will have to physically take part in a battle and just roflstomp their way through the enemy? There is reason to think it possible. First off, the standard old martial artist thing. In just about any film or show where you see the ancient one appear, he generally will at some point turn into yoda versus dooku. At least one of them may or may not have that third kitetsu blade that zoro is looking for. So its possible they all have powerful artifacts to use even if their own skills arent amazing. There is also all the mystery behind them. Why are THESE guys the gorosei? What made them get chosen? Were they elected by the dragons? Did they prove themselves in some way? Were they previous high ranked marines who showed a combination of mass murdering raw power and skill along with high end political strategic and tactical thinking? Or is it just a family thing like the dragons? These guys have been of the line of stewards for the dragons for 900 years now, father to son and all that.
On the other hand, they could just be a bunch of old dudes who will basically be nonentities once the fists start flying if luffy and the straw hats ever reach mariejois. Possibly full of doom filled portents about what all this will cause if luffy doesnt stop blah blah blah.
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Personally I think the series is going to go:
Defeating Big Mom.
Go to Wano.
Kaido arc.
Dragon is introduced.
Defeat Whitebeard pirates.
Alliance with Shanks.
Destruction of Marjoise.
Trip to Raftel.
Blackbeard follows them there, battle with Blackbeard.
Luffy becomes Pirate King before dying.
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There's at least one gorosei with a sword, so I'm expecting at least one to be a competent combatant (or used to be one).
They also kinda look like they are based on RL influential people (even world leaders), but I guess that's just an Oda thing nowadays
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Oda seems to have something of an anti authoritarian leaning in his series, so, modeling him after some real world leaders he thinks are sub par wouldn't be too bad if it's just a visual reference.
Beyond that, yeah, I personally expect there going to be Admiral/Warlord level combat monsters. And as we've already seen, there the one's whom, at the end of the day, order the bulk of the genocides and protect the slave trading, torture and rape the Celestial Dragons partake in and do it with out flinching. So I suspect at some point a fight with them is going to be inevitable.
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It sounded like you were contesting that there was any real merit to the idea that near the end Shanks is going to have a couple of tricks to teach Luffy as a final teacher along the journey.
Oh.. i do also disagree about that though. Not that Shanks are the greatest master of Conquers Haki, but that Luffy will have any more teachers. I believe Raylight were the last mentor, from this point on Luffy need to climb the last peaks on his own.
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Unrelated note, the Gorosei. Anyone have any theories or random guesses about these dudes they want to toss out here? As an example, does anyone think that there will be a time where they will have to physically take part in a battle and just roflstomp their way through the enemy? There is reason to think it possible. First off, the standard old martial artist thing. In just about any film or show where you see the ancient one appear, he generally will at some point turn into yoda versus dooku. At least one of them may or may not have that third kitetsu blade that zoro is looking for. So its possible they all have powerful artifacts to use even if their own skills arent amazing. There is also all the mystery behind them. Why are THESE guys the gorosei? What made them get chosen? Were they elected by the dragons? Did they prove themselves in some way? Were they previous high ranked marines who showed a combination of mass murdering raw power and skill along with high end political strategic and tactical thinking? Or is it just a family thing like the dragons? These guys have been of the line of stewards for the dragons for 900 years now, father to son and all that.
I have theorised a few times already that they are survivors from the void century, kept alive by repeated use of Bonni's age fruit. We saw how they intentionally went after her. I do bet you cant control your own age with it, so they need to recapture the user every generation.
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They also kinda look like they are based on RL influential people (even world leaders), but I guess that's just an Oda thing nowadays
What do you mean "nowadays"? Oda's always used real life people as parallels. Like...all of the Admirals before the time skip.
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I have theorised a few times already that they are survivors from the void century, kept alive by repeated use of Bonni's age fruit. We saw how they intentionally went after her. I do bet you cant control your own age with it, so they need to recapture the user every generation.
Didn't she turn into a child when she prevented Zorro from killing that World Noble?
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Personally I think the series is going to go:
Defeating Big Mom.
Go to Wano.
Kaido arc.
Dragon is introduced.
Defeat Whitebeard pirates.
Alliance with Shanks.
Destruction of Marjoise.
Trip to Raftel.
Blackbeard follows them there, battle with Blackbeard.
Luffy becomes Pirate King before dying.
Im wondering if raftel will happen before they take on the marines/government. Like, they will discover something there that they just cant stomach. The secret of the void century and what it means for the world today and decide they HAVE to take down the government and those the government is propping up. Its why rayleigh didnt want to tell robin the answer. He knew they wouldnt be ready to handle the news yet and it would likely get them killed early. As of right now, aside from possibly luffy and his feelings towards akianu, they dont have much reason to directly go after the government afaik at least. They are busy with the pirate side of the ledger and will be for some time. Anyways, im thinking luffy becomes pirate king like you said, but THEN goes after the government at mariejoise. That will be when he is powerful enough, and connected enough, to bring in an actual army to back him up. Preferably a nice alliance of not just pirates, but the nations he has helped out over the years. Alabasta, wano, dressrosa, etc etc etc.
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Didn't she turn into a child when she prevented Zorro from killing that World Noble?
No she just knocked him down, nothing more.
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No she just knocked him down, nothing more.
Just rewatched the scene on youtube. She does turn into a child when she tackles him.
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lord_khaine, there might be some confusion here because at least I don't really understand your original paragraph about Bonney's fruit. Are you saying the fruit user can't manipulate their own age? If so, that's incorrect. Bonney has changed her own age at several points, and Oda has stated that her age can only be assumed because of her powers.
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They also kinda look like they are based on RL influential people (even world leaders), but I guess that's just an Oda thing nowadays
The Gorosei were designed in 2002 at the latest. Oda modeling his characters after RL people is hardly new.
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Just rewatched the scene on youtube. She does turn into a child when she tackles him.
Hmm.. yeah alright fair enough then, it was not very obvious in the manga scene.
Guess my theory need another explanation for why the Gourosei is interested in Bonney. Though i do think the fruit is still likely the reason.
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Im wondering if raftel will happen before they take on the marines/government. Like, they will discover something there that they just cant stomach. The secret of the void century and what it means for the world today and decide they HAVE to take down the government and those the government is propping up. Its why rayleigh didnt want to tell robin the answer. He knew they wouldnt be ready to handle the news yet and it would likely get them killed early. As of right now, aside from possibly luffy and his feelings towards akianu, they dont have much reason to directly go after the government afaik at least. They are busy with the pirate side of the ledger and will be for some time. Anyways, im thinking luffy becomes pirate king like you said, but THEN goes after the government at mariejoise. That will be when he is powerful enough, and connected enough, to bring in an actual army to back him up. Preferably a nice alliance of not just pirates, but the nations he has helped out over the years. Alabasta, wano, dressrosa, etc etc etc.
It could be. Pretty much all of their lives have been ruined by the world government in one way or another. Robin, Franky, Nami, Chopper, Jinbei, and Luffy in particular, so I don't see them as requiring a new reason to be involved in such a conflict.
Blackbeard being the final boss has been foreshadowed pretty hard, and I can't see that conflict happening at the same time as the world government fight.
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I can, Akinue is exactly the level of arrogant Sociopath who would cut them a deal and figure either he can keep control of it, or he can double cross them and get away with it and wipe all his major foes out all in one go.
As for the Gorosei, we know the Devil Fruit have been around for ages, and we know The Op-Op Fruit can, at the cost of the users life, render someone immortal. I wonder if the Gorosei haven't benefited from that power in there life times? Former users form century's gone buy used to make them live forever.
And yeah, I could easily see The Straw Hats deciding that the WG, The Celestal Dragons, The Gorosei and the Navy Top Brass with the possible exception of Fujitora assuming Akinue hasn't had him done away with by that point, all need to go, and there gonna do it toward the end.
Oh, and as for Bonny, she also de-aged herself in a bit right after the defeat of Doffy. we saw her steal some food and run around the corner, chased by the person selling it, and then go walking buy as like a 6 year old, whom he ignores cause he saw the one he's looking for was like more than double a 6 year olds height. So she can certainly De Age Herself.
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Whoops, dunno why I phrased it that way. Yeah, as early as Enel and that Michael Jackson -looking dude, we already have those characters that look like RL people, and people were already speculating back then
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I can, Akinue is exactly the level of arrogant Sociopath who would cut them a deal and figure either he can keep control of it, or he can double cross them and get away with it and wipe all his major foes out all in one go.
As for the Gorosei, we know the Devil Fruit have been around for ages, and we know The Op-Op Fruit can, at the cost of the users life, render someone immortal. I wonder if the Gorosei haven't benefited from that power in there life times? Former users form century's gone buy used to make them live forever.
And yeah, I could easily see The Straw Hats deciding that the WG, The Celestal Dragons, The Gorosei and the Navy Top Brass with the possible exception of Fujitora assuming Akinue hasn't had him done away with by that point, all need to go, and there gonna do it toward the end.
Oh, and as for Bonny, she also de-aged herself in a bit right after the defeat of Doffy. we saw her steal some food and run around the corner, chased by the person selling it, and then go walking buy as like a 6 year old, whom he ignores cause he saw the one he's looking for was like more than double a 6 year olds height. So she can certainly De Age Herself.
It would explain a lot about Doffy. Like the heads of the WG are immortals that have been in charge since they took power during the lost century.
I'm still banking on devil fruits being the result of some horrible human sacrifice, and gave them the edge against the mechanical super weapons.
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I thought the Gorosei still answered to The Celestial Dragons, don't they? Or is that just another fiction they spread, including TOO the Celestial Dragons, to keep everyone targeting the wrong thing as the problem?
Cause we know the dragons age and die more or less like normal.
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Well.. i think its pretty clear that the celestial dragons dont actually run or control anything themselves.
I do personally think they are only kept around as diversion myself.
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Oh no, it would be an awesome twist. Use them to draw fire, protect them well enough to make people think there important, let them live in unrivaled luxury and privilege.
And meanwhile, you can just blame decisions you don't want the rap for on them, and make all the important decisions.
Even better if that theory that hundreds of years ago they made themselves immortal by having Op Op Fruit eaters preform the special procedure on them is true. They've been doing it for century's.
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Well.. yes i do think they are all from the void century. My own theory is just that at least not all of them are immortal. Its why they need the power of Bonnies age DF. To keep those not immortal alive.
Hmm.. either that, or help fake a cycle of aging.
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I was under the impression the dragons have something huge they are holding over the heads of the government. Some knowledge, or ability they could unleash at need to cause unheard of devastation. That its basically world wide blackmail, only noone but the gorusei actually know about it. They spread the fiction that the dragons are the real rulers but in reality its just a case of "Do this or I kill everyone" As a random example, whatever CAUSED the void century. The dragons know how to cause it again.
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lord_Khaine: I dunno. We call gained immortality with that trick we explicitly brought up as another major plot point and that's why there's a legend about it just seems cleaner and more clearly foreshadowed. I'm sure the rest can be accounted for with occasional bits of cosmetic surgery and name changes.
Traab: That's an impression, but recall that we've seen times were in the dragons were basically entirely reliant on the Navy coming to protect them extra special like to be able to carry out a threat. Both on Sadabody with The Straw Hats the first time, and on Fishman Island when one got stuck down there.
So it would be a twist if they claim that, and perhaps even think they have that, but it turns out, in actuality, they don't and the Gorosei are just letting them think they do and letting the rest of the world think it too, and offer enough protection and privilege to sell the lie, and thus, keep attention focused away from themselves.
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lord_Khaine: I dunno. We call gained immortality with that trick we explicitly brought up as another major plot point and that's why there's a legend about it just seems cleaner and more clearly foreshadowed. I'm sure the rest can be accounted for with occasional bits of cosmetic surgery and name changes.
Traab: That's an impression, but recall that we've seen times were in the dragons were basically entirely reliant on the Navy coming to protect them extra special like to be able to carry out a threat. Both on Sadabody with The Straw Hats the first time, and on Fishman Island when one got stuck down there.
So it would be a twist if they claim that, and perhaps even think they have that, but it turns out, in actuality, they don't and the Gorosei are just letting them think they do and letting the rest of the world think it too, and offer enough protection and privilege to sell the lie, and thus, keep attention focused away from themselves.
That would certainly be some interesting shenanigan level twists, but for one thing, i didnt mean every single one of them carries around a doomsday device like a Predator alien or something, I more meant its like, nukes for example. America has them, if another nation goes too far its possible america will use them. But the average american tourist in tahiti cant use them and is no more dangerous than anyone else. So if they get stuck somewhere they cant personally do much aside from, in the case of the dragons, rely on their reputation. So back in mariejois or wherever the dragons tend to live, they have their finger on the trigger if the gorosei dont do as they want badly enough, but that doesnt help the random dragon buying slaves in sabaody currently being punched so hard he leaves the anime and returns to the manga. It DOES ensure the government sends in a totally excessive response force in order to prove to the dragons they are totally taking care of this issue.
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That's true enough I suppose.
Well, will see which way it goes eventually I'm sure.