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using disposible troops (which lacked the brains to operate with any more finesse than that) while keeping his actual forces mostly untouched, being smart enough to not duel Jon Snow, even using his weather control powers to hamper enemy air support.
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So what now? We still have three episodes to go. Cersei seems "Scouring of the Shire" anti-climactic at this point.
I expected the living to lose at winterfell because I thought it would require the combined force of ALL seven kingdoms. As it was , with Cersei and the southerners sitting it out, the living essentially beat the thousand-years-old-ultimate-threat with one hand tied behind their backs.
All of this implies that Cersei, amoral as she is, made the right decision from a purely tactical perspective. She expected the two armies to nearly kill each other, making her own eventual battle against the winner that much easier. It's because she never really took the threat of the Night King seriously even after a wight charged her.
If the dead had continued their advance, this would have come back to bite her in a big way, as the dead would have only strengthened from the increased battles , not weakened.
But the dead didn't win.
Cersei won her gamble.
At this point Daenerys' army is for the most part destroyed. The Dothraki are gone. The Unsullied are gone. She has the survivors of the north and two dragons. That's not inconsiderable, but two dragons aren't enough on their own.
And now the realms return to their normal petty bickering and squabbling. The Dead were not an ultimate world-ending menace; they were merely a distraction which the North was able to handle on its own.
At least, that is how the people at King's Landing will describe it, I'm sure. And there's no evidence to prove them wrong now.
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Lmao at the people that think you have to be an expert to make these criticisms :smallconfused:
Jorah - "The enemy is out there somewhere. We can't see them, and we don't know how big the army is or what it is composed of. We have very light armor and no polearms/spears/lances. I think we should just charge into the darkness and hope for the best."
Supposed experts - "I think that's a bad idea."
Oh wow, how genius lol. We're so intelligent...
I think the major factor to consider in this is flaming sword spell Melisandre cast. From the get-go the Dothraki really have absolutely no good use on that field. There's no flank they can turn, there's no line they can break, no terrain they can use, and there is so many of them that they could have been given maybe one or two dragonglass arrows at best. (Frankly, any dragonglass used was best put in swords, axes, spears...things that could be used on more than one wight.) To make matters worse, they're fighting at night and a running horse at night is just begging for a broken leg, which is going to take down most of the riders immediately behind them.
Then you get a witch who casts a spell on all their weapons, one that gets them some light and actually gives them the ability to hit back. You don't know how long the spell is going to last, so you're pretty much in a use it or lose it spot. Its a literal bright spot in a battle almost everyone expects to die horribly in, so why not see how many you can take out before the flames go out? If there's no good tactical option, might as well use the morale boost before it expires.
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I just realised the Dothraki have always been light cavalry - and always tried to fight like shock cavalry.
They have no staying power, but do pack a punch, and against enemies who could be affected by their reputation, it kind of worked. Well, not anymore.
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Funny how the Avengers killed more Starks than the largest battle ever filmed, in a show that has been previously unafraid of killing Starks.
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I just realised the Dothraki have always been light cavalry - and always tried to fight like shock cavalry.
It's strange, too. You'd think that whipping up a dust cloud effect on the horizon and compositing in some arrows would be a lot cheaper on the budget than wrangling all the horses.
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So what now? We still have three episodes to go. Cersei seems "Scouring of the Shire" anti-climactic at this point.
I expected the living to lose at winterfell because I thought it would require the combined force of ALL seven kingdoms. As it was , with Cersei and the southerners sitting it out, the living essentially beat the thousand-years-old-ultimate-threat with one hand tied behind their backs.
All of this implies that Cersei, amoral as she is, made the right decision from a purely tactical perspective. She expected the two armies to nearly kill each other, making her own eventual battle against the winner that much easier. It's because she never really took the threat of the Night King seriously even after a wight charged her.
If the dead had continued their advance, this would have come back to bite her in a big way, as the dead would have only strengthened from the increased battles , not weakened.
But the dead didn't win.
Cersei won her gamble.
At this point Daenerys' army is for the most part destroyed. The Dothraki are gone. The Unsullied are gone. She has the survivors of the north and two dragons. That's not inconsiderable, but two dragons aren't enough on their own.
And now the realms return to their normal petty bickering and squabbling. The Dead were not an ultimate world-ending menace; they were merely a distraction which the North was able to handle on its own.
At least, that is how the people at King's Landing will describe it, I'm sure. And there's no evidence to prove them wrong now.
Respectfully,
Brian P.
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There's only one advantage I can see the Northerners now have that Cersei doesn't: complete and accurate intel on everything Cersei is doing and everything she's telling her soldiers to do.
Bran is still the memory of the world, which - assuming he can ever be bothered to come out of his Avengers movie marathon - means he knows everything that has happened, and everything that is happening. He can tell Daenerys precisely where to put her forces and where to flame them if need be.
Assuming, of course, he actually decides to start contributing something meaningful to the campaign to keep the Stark family alive.
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Consider the possibility that John and Dany will settle down as King and Queen in the North, and leave Cersei to rot - maybe to reconquer the South after another decade of misrule. Then dismiss it, because it's out of character for at least Dany (Jon might or might not care about liberating the smallfolk of the South from the demonstrably-mad queen). But it's a pretty thought, and it gets Sansa what she wants.
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So what now? We still have three episodes to go. Cersei seems "Scouring of the Shire" anti-climactic at this point.
I expected the living to lose at winterfell because I thought it would require the combined force of ALL seven kingdoms. As it was , with Cersei and the southerners sitting it out, the living essentially beat the thousand-years-old-ultimate-threat with one hand tied behind their backs.
All of this implies that Cersei, amoral as she is, made the right decision from a purely tactical perspective. She expected the two armies to nearly kill each other, making her own eventual battle against the winner that much easier. It's because she never really took the threat of the Night King seriously even after a wight charged her.
If the dead had continued their advance, this would have come back to bite her in a big way, as the dead would have only strengthened from the increased battles , not weakened.
But the dead didn't win.
Cersei won her gamble.
At this point Daenerys' army is for the most part destroyed. The Dothraki are gone. The Unsullied are gone. She has the survivors of the north and two dragons. That's not inconsiderable, but two dragons aren't enough on their own.
And now the realms return to their normal petty bickering and squabbling. The Dead were not an ultimate world-ending menace; they were merely a distraction which the North was able to handle on its own.
At least, that is how the people at King's Landing will describe it, I'm sure. And there's no evidence to prove them wrong now.
Respectfully,
Brian P.
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I think it makes sense that Cersei won her gamble. She's always been willing to play dirty. She wagered that if the undead were that much a threat her forces wouldn't make a difference, and if they weren't that much a threat, let Dany and Jon wither their own forces against them. After all, the Hound easily destroys one right in front of her eyes, and Dany has dragons as well.
For me, it always seemed like "if the dead win, then the throne doesn't matter, but if the dead lose, then we still need to figure out the war for the throne".
I'm not crazy about the Night King getting taken out by a stab from a dagger, without anything more added to the lore/motivation/explanation around him or for him. But I think it makes sense that they still need to deal with Cersei and the other mundane evils of the world. It's not like evil or political struggles arise from the Night King. They've always been a reality, and will continue to be a reality, that must be dealt with.
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I think it makes sense that Cersei won her gamble. She's always been willing to play dirty. She wagered that if the undead were that much a threat her forces wouldn't make a difference, and if they weren't that much a threat, let Dany and Jon wither their own forces against them. After all, the Hound easily destroys one right in front of her eyes, and Dany has dragons as well.
For me, it always seemed like "if the dead win, then the throne doesn't matter, but if the dead lose, then we still need to figure out the war for the throne".
I'm not crazy about the Night King getting taken out by a stab from a dagger, without anything more added to the lore/motivation/explanation around him or for him. But I think it makes sense that they still need to deal with Cersei and the other mundane evils of the world. It's not like evil or political struggles arise from the Night King. They've always been a reality, and will continue to be a reality, that must be dealt with.
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But it just feels so unthreatening. The point of the White Walkers - from literally scene one, episode one, season one, was that they were an external threat that was greater than anything else. All politicking and backstabbing and skirmishing was pointless in the face of them. And now that they're gone.... why do we care about the rest? It's like if the end of Independence Day, they beat the Aliens, and then it was 2 more hours of Bill Pullman working on his re-election campaign because "the aliens lost so the world goes on". Who cares about that anymore? I guess Dany...
I just can't see a way to make Cersei any more interesting as a villain. Her character feels played out - she's gone down every narrative avenue, and there's no time in 3 episodes to start a new one. Just time for Jaime to kill her, I guess.
She's just a hand-wringing uber evil villain, and that's way less interesting than the one we just beat. And way less threatening, as well.
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But it just feels so unthreatening. The point of the White Walkers - from literally scene one, episode one, season one, was that they were an external threat that was greater than anything else. All politicking and backstabbing and skirmishing was pointless in the face of them. And now that they're gone.... why do we care about the rest? It's like if the end of Independence Day, they beat the Aliens, and then it was 2 more hours of Bill Pullman working on his re-election campaign because "the aliens lost so the world goes on". Who cares about that anymore? I guess Dany...
I just can't see a way to make Cersei any more interesting as a villain. Her character feels played out - she's gone down every narrative avenue, and there's no time in 3 episodes to start a new one. Just time for Jaime to kill her, I guess.
She's just a hand-wringing uber evil villain, and that's way less interesting than the one we just beat. And way less threatening, as well.
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I actually like it this way. I didn't think the Great Battle of Winterfell would end the threat of the Army of the Dead, but I do think it's good storytelling, because at the end of the day, the real monsters are human.
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I think the major factor to consider in this is flaming sword spell Melisandre cast. From the get-go the Dothraki really have absolutely no good use on that field. There's no flank they can turn, there's no line they can break, no terrain they can use, and there is so many of them that they could have been given maybe one or two dragonglass arrows at best. (Frankly, any dragonglass used was best put in swords, axes, spears...things that could be used on more than one wight.) To make matters worse, they're fighting at night and a running horse at night is just begging for a broken leg, which is going to take down most of the riders immediately behind them.
Then you get a witch who casts a spell on all their weapons, one that gets them some light and actually gives them the ability to hit back. You don't know how long the spell is going to last, so you're pretty much in a use it or lose it spot. Its a literal bright spot in a battle almost everyone expects to die horribly in, so why not see how many you can take out before the flames go out? If there's no good tactical option, might as well use the morale boost before it expires.
EDIT: Last minute addition- please don't take the cussing in here as me being angry! It's definitely just for emphasis or occasional attempts at comedy.
Basic TL;DR- I know it's jarring when the camera doesn't have a proper character's perspective, and that wide-angle shots do have the ability to take you out of the action, to disengage you emotionally. Overcompensating with indecipherable close-in shots that ALSO don't really follow a perspective is NOT the answer.
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Said it last week, saying it again- non-combatants in the ****ing crypts vs an army of the dead? Are you KIDDING me? The heroes MURDERED those people.
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I'm with you, I think, if I am getting your opinion correctly. None of the "unrealistic" stuff bothered me that much because they were mostly, like, emotionally impactful, dynamic and pretty. It was the 40 minutes of fake-darkness blue-tinted bull**** that I hated.
Also because I guess I finally exhausted my supply of caring about GoT doing stupid stuff. I'd rather see dumb stuff executed well then not be able to see anything. Trash. Traaaaaaaaaaaaaaash cinematography. Same guy who did the Battle of the Bastards and managed to turn one of my favourite techniques (long single-shot sequences) into trash and win an award for it.
All these close-in shots during high-octane action sequences are doing is covering up either a lack of knowledge of HOW to frame good, wide angle shots to actually give a good impression of what is happening OR masking shortfalls in the CGI budget. A super-cool aerial fight between dragons gets reduced to a bunch of ****ty obscured shots of fake blue fire from a GoPro angle. TRASH.
You can't just repeatedly show me how hopeless the situation is and expect me to believe an ass-pull victory. It just doesn't work. The wights were in the inner keep for like half an hour before the director decided to use his "everything's going to ****" scene.
Also, the Night King was LITERALLY ringed by the risen dead, several corpses thick. There's just no ****ing way for Arya to get to him.
Just ****. Miguel Sapochnik is a **** director, I will die on this hill. :)
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Arya evading the wights on a chase through the inner keep was awesome, Maisie Williams is a great actres, I can see why she's a standout despite not liking how this show became so much about her character.
Rory McClain did some great acting, too, even though I hate seeing the Hound having a breakdown it wasn't surprising. Dude can't handle fire. Honestly, I feel like Tyrion would KNOW that from the Battle of King's Landing? Wasn't he there when Sandor broke down due to all the wildfire igniting? Am I remembering something wrong there? Anyhow, whatever, GREAT emotion.
Tyrion and Sansa had a GREAT, AMAZING moment there, hiding behind that stone slab in the crpyts and drawing their weapons. Sophie Turner and Peter Dinklage really got to demonstrate why they made the jump to A-listers. Four seasons worth of unsaid things passed mutely in about 15 seconds.
Oh, I also enjoyed how well the Night King's emotions came across without dialogue. It's hard enough to pantomime WITHOUT all that prosthetic and CG bull****.
The Dothraki flaming swords extinguishing in the night was a good shot, too.
The muted-out, sad background music, everything's going to **** moment was effective, but also I am a sucker for that kinda stuff so no surprises there. But I'm glad they didn't botch it. I don't mean this as back-handed criticism- they executed it well.
Perfect deaths: Beric. He looked surprised as he went but he just had seemed so tired, for so long... it felt good.
Jorah. It how he wanted to go. It's what he survived the greyscale to DO.
Theon. His entire motivation, always, ALWAYS has been just to feel like he's important. Between Bran's words- "You're a good MAN, thank you" (important considering he was castrated against his will) and making it to the 'final boss', I think he got what he needed.
The Night King. Eat ****, *******, caught you monologing.
Final thought: portraying Bran must be the most boring crap ever. "Yeah, we need you to sit in this chair and look vaguely upward for several hours. Thanks. Yeah, we DID look into replacing you with a dummy but it turns out it was slightly more expensive so yeah, if you could just tilt that head back... thanks." No slight on the actor, he's doing the best with what seems like a **** scenery part, to me.
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I actually like it this way. I didn't think the Great Battle of Winterfell would end the threat of the Army of the Dead, but I do think it's good storytelling, because at the end of the day, the real monsters are human.
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Eeeehhh I mean kinda, it's super contrived but I guess. It just feels almost like a freaking meme to me:
Who's a bigger threat?
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The point of the White Walkers (and Jon puts it quite eloquently) is that it doesn't matter who sits on the throne, humanity was going to be destroyed by the armies of the dead. This was the threat set up for the entire series. And then they just kinda died in one episode. Everyone, including Cersei, acknowledged that the Long Night was the more important threat, but apparently not, since it only got one episode and now "how to kill the mean blonde lady" gets 3 episodes of its own.
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Eeeehhh I mean kinda, it's super contrived but I guess. It just feels almost like a freaking meme to me:
Who's a bigger threat?
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The point of the White Walkers (and Jon puts it quite eloquently) is that it doesn't matter who sits on the throne, humanity was going to be destroyed by the armies of the dead. This was the threat set up for the entire series. And then they just kinda died in one episode. Everyone, including Cersei, acknowledged that the Long Night was the more important threat, but apparently not, since it only got one episode and now "how to kill the mean blonde lady" gets 3 episodes of its own.
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I'd also point out that the wights and walkers shouldn't be viewed as MONSTERS. They are a NATURAL FORCE. I HATE what they did with the Night King "he wants to erase the memory of the world". They shouldn't HAVE motivations, they JUST. ARE. Winter don't CARE.
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Consider the possibility that John and Dany will settle down as King and Queen in the North, and leave Cersei to rot - maybe to reconquer the South after another decade of misrule. Then dismiss it, because it's out of character for at least Dany (Jon might or might not care about liberating the smallfolk of the South from the demonstrably-mad queen). But it's a pretty thought, and it gets Sansa what she wants.
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Personally I think it's more likely we'll get there and it'll be a frozen ruin, from food riots, thus fulfilling Dany's prophetic vision from way the hell back in Qohor. But you could be right!
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Well... That was disappointing.
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As par for the course with the least few seasons of GoT, the world's dumbest military tactics somehow win, characters miraculously teleport to where they have to go, the climax is mediocre at best and there's nothing to look forward to... How did this series become so bad?
Seriously... WTF was that cavalry charge? What's the point of having trenches and walls if you stand IN FRONT OF THEM? How the **** did Arya get to the NK? Why didn't any of the WW do ANYTHING? Why did Melissandre die (I bet it was out of embarrassment for being part of the worst military force in history)?... And most importantly... Why do people even bother wearing armor in this universe?
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I think I read somewhere that he achieves this "mystical" expression by being half-blind without his glasses. :smalltongue:
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As par for the course with the least few seasons of GoT, the world's dumbest military tactics somehow win, characters miraculously teleport to where they have to go, the climax is mediocre at best and there's nothing to look forward to... How did this series become so bad?
Seriously... WTF was that cavalry charge? What's the point of having trenches and walls if you stand IN FRONT OF THEM? How the **** did Arya get to the NK? Why didn't any of the WW do ANYTHING? Why did Melissandre die (I bet it was out of embarrassment for being part of the worst military force in history)?... And most importantly... Why do people even bother wearing armor in this universe?
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Re: Teleportation - Literally my first thought when Jorah comes to Dany's rescue was "how the **** did this dude get there after the Night King raised all of the dead castle defenders?". And something similar with Melisandre after the battle; it's like Davos had a tracking beacon on her.
With regards to Arya, they went to some considerable effort to show us just how sneaky sneaky she is. I'm assuming she got there before the Night King and hid in a tree or something.
Melisandre allowed herself to die I believe. I think she felt her duty was done and she is so old and wanted death, so she simply dismissed whatever magic was keeping her alive. That's how I took it anyways.
Totally agree on the cavalry charge. It would have been better tactics to ambush he Dothraki in their sleep and keep the horses for food.
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It was a great episode. I loved it.
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As par for the course with the least few seasons of GoT, the world's dumbest military tactics somehow win, characters miraculously teleport to where they have to go, the climax is mediocre at best and there's nothing to look forward to... How did this series become so bad?
Seriously... WTF was that cavalry charge? What's the point of having trenches and walls if you stand IN FRONT OF THEM? How the **** did Arya get to the NK? Why didn't any of the WW do ANYTHING? Why did Melissandre die (I bet it was out of embarrassment for being part of the worst military force in history)?... And most importantly... Why do people even bother wearing armor in this universe?
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As has been mentioned, when everyone's sword magically goes aflame, you use it. Other than that I understand where yer coming from, but at NO POINT have the Dothraki been portrayed realistically as troops so I guess I just made the choice to put up or shut up a while back.
There were way too many troops to fit inside Winterfell at the outset. They had multiple fall-back points so as to tighten up as they lost troops. This was not, IMO, one of the stupid things done in this episode.
Arya had NO WAY to get to the Night King, but whatever. It is what it is. Suspend yer disbelief or not, I guess, cuz it was ****tily done and they obviously expect us just to eat that **** cuz it was cool or whatever.
Melisandre died because she was 300 years old and her god was done with her. It was implied when she watched Beric die- the lord had brought him back to serve a purpose, but that purpose was fulfilled. Rhllor kept her alive for a purpose, and that purpose was fulfilled.
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Do you have a map of Winterfell's lay out?
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Do you have a map of Winterfell's lay out?
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According AWOIAF wiki, the Godswood is several acres of woods with the Weirwood at the middle. According to the TV show, there's some sparse woodlands but the area right around the Weirwood is thoroughly clearcut.
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Thank you for that!
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I think I read somewhere that he achieves this "mystical" expression by being half-blind without his glasses. :smalltongue:
I have heard that, too. Do you think they let the poor bastard wear flesh-tone earbuds or something? It just seems so TEDIOUS.
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I get that Melisandre just decided to die (she throws away her choker thingie)... But why, though? Belric dies doing something... Melisandre just... Stops living. Well... I guess she'd be executed anyway.
There's sneaking and then there's "somehow moving past a literal circle of white walkers and gods-know-how-many wights...
(Besides, if she's so good at sneaking, why is she shouting before attacking. :smallbiggrin:).
But really, what annoys me the most is how under-used the white walkers, and even the NK are... And the way he dies is just too dumb and anti-climatic, and not in "Look how cleverly we are deconstructing this trope" way, just in a... you know... boring way.
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I get that Melisandre just decided to die (she throws away her choker thingie)... But why, though? Belric dies doing something... Melisandre just... Stops living. Well... I guess she'd be executed anyway.
There's sneaking and then there's "somehow moving past a literal circle of white walkers and gods-know-how-many wights...
(Besides, if she's so good at sneaking, why is she shouting before attacking. :smallbiggrin:).
But really, what annoys me the most is how under-used the white walkers, and even the NK are... And the way he dies is just too dumb and anti-climatic, and not in "Look how cleverly we are deconstructing this trope" way, just in a... you know... boring way.
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Melisandre was alive to see this fight through and kill the Night King.
Do we know all of the tricks that Arya was taught to become a Faceless Man? Nope, we don't.
White Walkers underutilized? Yeah, I'll give ya that one, felt the same way for a bit.
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I actually like it this way. I didn't think the Great Battle of Winterfell would end the threat of the Army of the Dead, but I do think it's good storytelling, because at the end of the day, the real monsters are human.
I think part of the problem is Martin has been saying how he hates the idea of an evil race of monsters and prefers when evil is complex and human.
I think everyone took that to mean that the Others motivation was complex and human. Instead it just ends up meaning that Cersei was the actual big bad. Which just makes the Others kind of a let down.
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(Besides, if she's so good at sneaking, why is she shouting before attacking. :smallbiggrin:).
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She didn't. She was silent. The Night King just sort of sensed her last minute and turned on the spot to grab her.
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I think part of the problem is Martin has been saying how he hates the idea of an evil race of monsters and prefers when evil is complex and human.
I think everyone took that to mean that the Others motivation was complex and human. Instead it just ends up meaning that Cersei was the actual big bad. Which just makes the Others kind of a let down.
Not to mention that Cersei's behavior has become maniacal to the point of being impossible to identify with on any human level.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 (spoiler tags)
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I think part of the problem is Martin has been saying how he hates the idea of an evil race of monsters and prefers when evil is complex and human.
I think everyone took that to mean that the Others motivation was complex and human. Instead it just ends up meaning that Cersei was the actual big bad. Which just makes the Others kind of a let down.
I don't think that's entirely fair to GRR Martin. My understanding is that the Night King doesn't exist in that form in the books -- he may very well be a purely legendary figure in the books. Where the TV series went with it may not be where Martin intended to go.
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WINTER IS COMING! FOR SEVEN SEASONS!
Then it wraps up in, like, an hour and a half. If you blink you might miss it.
I frankly feel a little cheated. They spend years building these guys as the ultimate threat which all the lands must fear, only for Death Itself to be completely and totally defeated at the first major battle south of the wall.
People won't believe the threat even in the same generation of these events, let alone centuries later... but maybe that's part of the story?
Respectfully,
Brian P.
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Re: Game of Thrones Season 8 (spoiler tags)
One point of interest to toss out there: some movie-and-TV folks on Twitter were pointing out that however you feel about the episode in terms of plot development or storyline beats, it was apparently a landmark undertaking in terms of filming, requiring 55 back-to-back nighttime shooting sessions to complete.