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Old 07-21-2011, 01:45 PM   Top  -  End  -  #11
Ziegander
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Default Re: [Base Class- Intended teir: 2+- 3.5] Battle Monk

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Originally Posted by gkathellar View Post
I personally say that Factotum is Tier 2 solely because it combines that limited not-very-limited-spellcasting with severe action economy abuse and nigh-infinite resources.
It has, at most, eight total SLAs per day which can be up to 7th level. At level 10 it has four 4th level SLAs per day. At 15th it has six 6th level SLAs.

Compared to a Sorcerer who at 10th level has (not counting cantrips or bonus spells per day) 26 spells per day, five of which are 4th level and three of which are 5th; at 15th level has 40 spells per day, six of which are 6th level and four of which are 7th; at 20th level has 54 spells per day, six of which are 7th level, six of which are 8th, and six of which are 9th.

At the same levels, and counting bonus spells per day, a Sorcerer can always out cast the Factotum with spells of the Factotum's maximum spell level and will always have at least a handful of spells of one or more levels higher than the Factotum's maximum spell level. Not only that, the Factotum is stuck using spell-like abilities, while the Sorcerer casts real spells. The differences when it comes to options to optimize are astoundingly vast.

I'm not arguing that Factotums aren't at the top of Tier 3. I am arguing that they are not Tier 2.

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So yeah, those are the two ways to get up to Tier 1-2: spells and absurd numbers of actions.
Maybe with both combined, but I assure you, if you tacked amazing action abuse on to a Fighter it would be Tier 3 at best if it climbed a Tier at all.

As a matter of fact...

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