Results 1 to 30 of 41
-
2011-09-13, 02:14 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Oct 2009
- Location
- New York
- Gender
How exactly did Roy's gender swap make him hate Miko?
I'm probably missing something really important here, which I know is going to make me dope slap myself once I figure it out, but how exactly did Roy's turning himself into a woman make him completely change his tune about Miko? Before the assassins attacked it was clear that Elan was making Roy think about what Miko was really like, though he was obviously trying not to consider that uncomfortable truth. But then just a couple of strips later he says, "I have a plan, and plans and Miko don't work well," or something like that.
Clearly the dwarven assassin's hitting on him made Roy want to treat Miko with more respect instead of always calling her "Honey," or "Baby," but was it ever really shown how those events made Roy change his thinking from "head over heels in lust," to "I wouldn't touch your skinny ass with a standard-issue ten foot pole, you overbearing, self-righteous bitch." Was he given more time to think about what Elan and the rest of the Order said? Was it just the sudden lack of hormones? I'm sorry, I just want this clarified.My webcomic!
Currently DMing:
Tales of Aequar: Runite's Rise IC
OOC Map
Playing Natalia Bolts,Jadeite Nocrius, and Soren Lowell
-
2011-09-13, 02:20 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Apr 2011
- Location
- USA
Re: How exactly did Roy's gender swap make him hate Miko?
He already hated Miko, but he didn't realize it until he lost Trouser Titan.
It was the lack of hormones.Last edited by ORione; 2011-09-13 at 02:21 PM.
-
2011-09-13, 02:55 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- May 2009
Re: How exactly did Roy's gender swap make him hate Miko?
Exactly.
It's possible you've never been a single heterosexual male in your 20s, but one of the major pitfalls of that state is that you are completely incapable of forming a balanced opinion of an attractive woman. Your Trouser Titan insists on taking over and judging for you.
Spending an hour or so, however long it was, without the TT was long enough for the scales to fall from Roy's eyes."None of us likes to be hated, none of us likes to be shunned. A natural result of these conditions is, that we consciously or unconsciously pay more attention to tuning our opinions to our neighbor’s pitch and preserving his approval than we do to examining the opinions searchingly and seeing to it that they are right and sound." - Mark Twain
-
2011-09-13, 03:04 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Mar 2010
- Location
- Lake Wobegon
- Gender
-
2011-09-13, 03:17 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Mar 2009
- Location
- Valencia, Spain
- Gender
-
2011-09-13, 03:52 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Aug 2008
- Gender
Re: How exactly did Roy's gender swap make him hate Miko?
I think a lot has to be said for the attack itself. Elan was right when he said that Miko was mean and also right to challenge Roy's choice of Miko over the party, his true friends. When push came to shove and Roy really had to make the choice to sacrifice to save Elan, he did so and also reset his priorities.
-
2011-09-13, 03:52 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Feb 2011
- Location
- Doha, Qatar
- Gender
Re: How exactly did Roy's gender swap make him hate Miko?
Additionally, saying that she and plans don't work well doesn't mean hating her. It just means good common sense + first hand experience.
The hating came later, and is just a direct consequence of Miko's words, choices and behaviour. Nothing to do with Roy's mishap.
-
2011-09-13, 05:43 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Sep 2005
- Location
Re: How exactly did Roy's gender swap make him hate Miko?
There's a lot to be said about Belkar hitting on Roy, and him realizing what it's like to be the recipient of unwanted, less-than-subtle amorous advances.
Last edited by OmegaDonut; 2011-09-13 at 05:45 PM.
-
2011-09-13, 06:15 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Oct 2008
- Location
- Hixson, TN
- Gender
Re: How exactly did Roy's gender swap make him hate Miko?
Despite (or perhaps because of) his Lawful alignment, Roy has always been a person to buck authority he considers unjust. Given this, his going along with Miko in the first place was largely due to him finding her attractive. Granted, he would probably have stopped wanting to fight her when he found out she was a paladin regardless, but under the circumstances, he was very willing to give her what she wanted in the hopes of getting a date. He tolerated much more in the way of insults to himself and his teammates for the same reason. Upon losing that physical attraction, Roy realized that he was acting against his own nature, and when he became himself again, I suspect all the things he might have said at the time came out with the full force of his Greenhilt causticity (causticness?). Hence, a much stronger reaction than one might expect in such a short time.
-
2011-09-13, 08:26 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Jan 2011
Re: How exactly did Roy's gender swap make him hate Miko?
I think there's a bit of a misapprehension here; it didn't make Roy want to treat Miko with more respect, but rather to treat her as a fellow warrior. And a fellow warrior who behaves the way Miko does gets called an "overbearing, self-righteous bitch". As The Pilgrim points out:
While the lack of hormones may have helped him think about her as a person(and certainly wouldn't hurt), I think Roy's experiences while female also helped.
-
2011-09-13, 08:33 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Sep 2007
Re: How exactly did Roy's gender swap make him hate Miko?
There are two heads on the male body. There is only enough blood to run one at a time. Without the other one , his brain had enough oxygen to function.
-
2011-09-13, 10:41 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- May 2007
Re: How exactly did Roy's gender swap make him hate Miko?
That's not exclusive to heterosexuals. Try telling the gay waiter who spent the whole meal asking me to follow him into the bathroom and sitting on my lap at one point that he was forming a balanced and rational opinion an attractive man. (No, I don't think I'm that hot, he might have been drinking) And it's certainly not exclusive to men. I've seen women be that stupid too. It's hormones, not gender.
Bingo, that was what did it. Belkar unintentionally did something GOOD by showing Roy how he was failing to treat Miko with the same respect as the rest of the party. In this case, too much respect, overlooking her attitude.
Way to run those stereotypes into the ground. Clearly, all us men can only think with our penis or our brains. If only we were women, who have never done something stupid in the name of sexual attraction in their lives.
-
2011-09-14, 01:57 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Jan 2007
- Gender
Re: How exactly did Roy's gender swap make him hate Miko?
Actually, Roy wasn't treating her with any respect, really. Sure he listened to her above and beyond the rest of the party. But only because he wanted to bump uglies with her. He objectified her sexually, so he couldn't have respected her as a person.
Of course, when he did treat her as a real human being, he treated her as an abhorrent one based on her actions, which is arguably better than with faux-adoration.
-
2011-09-14, 02:34 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Sep 2007
Re: How exactly did Roy's gender swap make him hate Miko?
Way to run those stereotypes into the ground. Clearly, all us men can only think with our penis or our brains. If only we were women, who have never done something stupid in the name of sexual attraction in their lives.
2) I have seen a lot of men do a lot of stupid things for a pretty face. Most of said things involved credit cards, some of them involved fighting people they had noooo business fighting, breaking up with lifelong friends, and more yet involved spending time doing things they absolutely hated.
The song when a man loves a woman pretty much covers it.
3) Don't let the nuances of reality get in the way of a good joke. (or a bad one). Yes its a stereotype, yes its not true of everyone (my honorary eunuch self is an example of that) but its true enough to have become a stereotype, and that's enough for a cheap laugh.
4) Women do some really dumb stuff too, like thinking they can change a man or staying in dangerous relationships.
-
2011-09-14, 02:51 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Jul 2011
- Location
- Denver
- Gender
Re: How exactly did Roy's gender swap make him hate Miko?
Homebrew PrC: The Performance Artist
Avatar by Kymme
-
2011-09-14, 07:06 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Jul 2009
Re: How exactly did Roy's gender swap make him hate Miko?
As said, he already hated her, he just was too busy trying to get in her pants to notice. I don't think it was the lack of hormones so much as the fact that he received the same treatment pretty much non-stop during his brief stint as a woman. He considered this treatment, realized it had nothing to do with his personality (or anything else about him) but rather to do with his looks, concluded that the looks and the person were, in fact, separate, and used that insight to have a look at who Miko was, aside from the hotness.
And so he arrived, at last, at the obvious: he actually hated Miko. So the gender swap didn't make Roy hate Miko; it helped give him the necessary distance he needed to realize it.
-
2011-09-14, 07:32 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Jul 2008
- Location
- Sweden
- Gender
Re: How exactly did Roy's gender swap make him hate Miko?
Being a woman made him learn to respect women for their personality, or in Miko's case, despise her for her personality.
Black text is for sarcasm, also sincerity. You'll just have to read between the lines and infer from context like an animal
-
2011-09-14, 08:46 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Dec 2006
- Location
- Raleigh NC
- Gender
Re: How exactly did Roy's gender swap make him hate Miko?
My observation is that males lose any sense of balance right around the time they hit puberty. They sometimes get their sense of perspective back at 30 .. assuming they've lived that long. Been there, done that.
Respectfully,
Brian P.
-
2011-09-14, 09:08 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Mar 2008
Re: How exactly did Roy's gender swap make him hate Miko?
I've got to disagree with the general thrust of this thread. IMO, it the gender change had little or nothing to do with Roy's change in attitude. Miko's attitude and actions towards the party at first were a result of her thinking that they were evil, but when that misunderstanding was cleared up and she learned that they weren't (execpt for Belkar, who at that point she couldn't be sure of--remember, she hadn't seen his homocidal tendancies yet, and couldn't scan him to detect evil), she hadn't been that bad. Yeah, she got exasperated with Elan, but Roy actually related to that, and he was right on board with her about saving the dirt farmer (as he should have been). But then, after the destruction of the inn, she went on what was effectively a rant, and a stupid rant at that, blaming the destruction on the fact that the party wanted to stay there, rather than sleep in a ditch. Roy's patience was just used up by then, IMO.
-
2011-09-14, 06:57 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Oct 2010
Re: How exactly did Roy's gender swap make him hate Miko?
To find in order to lose; To fall in order to stand up
To freeze in order to ignite; To find myself within, and not fear the edge
To die in order to be reborn to the new world
-
2011-09-14, 08:09 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Oct 2009
- Location
- New York
- Gender
Re: How exactly did Roy's gender swap make him hate Miko?
My webcomic!
Currently DMing:
Tales of Aequar: Runite's Rise IC
OOC Map
Playing Natalia Bolts,Jadeite Nocrius, and Soren Lowell
-
2011-09-15, 01:01 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Sep 2010
- Location
- Birmingham, UK
- Gender
Re: How exactly did Roy's gender swap make him hate Miko?
Oh this is totally off-topic but I can't let that slide.
Effect of long-term abuse on self-respect and independence + practical difficulty of leaving a controlling partner != doing really dumb stuff.
Super fun fact: if a woman dies from domestic violence, it's usually just after she leaves. If she fears it getting worse if she tries to leave, she's generally right. Expecting her to just leave without looking at support systems, legal protection, etc is kind of irresponsible.Last edited by Juggling Goth; 2011-09-15 at 01:06 AM.
-
2011-09-15, 02:32 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Aug 2003
- Location
- Philadelphia, PA
- Gender
Re: How exactly did Roy's gender swap make him hate Miko?
Rich Burlew
Now Available: 2023 OOTS Holiday Ornament plus a big pile of new t-shirt designs (that you can also get on mugs and stuff)!
~~You can also support The Order of the Stick and the GITP forum at Patreon.~~
-
2011-09-15, 01:53 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Dec 2006
- Location
- Raleigh NC
- Gender
Re: How exactly did Roy's gender swap make him hate Miko?
Fascinating. Elan figured that out quite quickly . No one ever accused Elan of being the sharpest pencil in the drawer. Given his dalliance with Haley, his hormones also seem to be in working order.
So why did Elan get it so quickly when Roy "I have 18 intelligence" Greenhilt didn't?
Respectfully,
Brian P.
-
2011-09-15, 01:59 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Mar 2008
-
2011-09-15, 02:03 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Jan 2007
Re: How exactly did Roy's gender swap make him hate Miko?
A) Roy doesn't have an 18 INT (I wish that notion would die a fiery fiery death).
B) Elan wasn't attracted to Miko and thus had the neccessary distance to see things more clearly. I think the emotional distance is pretty important here. After all, he was just as clueless about Haley's attraction to him.
C) Just because someone has smarts to one degree or another, doesn't mean they can't do stupid things. De Nile ain't just a river in Egypt and all that. Basically Roy blinded himself to certain things because he wanted to get into the sack with Miko.
D) Maybe Rich was making a joke about saying, "This is so obvious to everyone that even Elan can see what is up.Concluded: The Stick Awards II: Second Edition
Ongoing: OOTS by Page Count
Coming Soon: OOTS by Final Post Count II: The Post Counts Always Chart Twice
Coming Later: The Stick Awards III: The Search for More Votes
__________________________
No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife between the shoulder blades will seriously cramp his style - Jhereg Proverb
-
2011-09-15, 02:31 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Dec 2006
- Location
- Raleigh NC
- Gender
Re: How exactly did Roy's gender swap make him hate Miko?
A) Roy doesn't have an 18 INT (I wish that notion would die a fiery fiery death).
Respectfully,
Brian P.
-
2011-09-15, 02:38 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Sep 2008
Re: How exactly did Roy's gender swap make him hate Miko?
Please write all sarcasm in blue text. All metaphors should be marked in red text and for any split infinitives, please use green. Thank you.
-
2011-09-15, 02:38 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Oct 2009
- Location
- New York
- Gender
Re: How exactly did Roy's gender swap make him hate Miko?
My webcomic!
Currently DMing:
Tales of Aequar: Runite's Rise IC
OOC Map
Playing Natalia Bolts,Jadeite Nocrius, and Soren Lowell
-
2011-09-15, 03:50 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Mar 2007
- Location
- Lancaster, UK
Re: How exactly did Roy's gender swap make him hate Miko?
Word of God:
Originally Posted by The Giant