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Old 02-01-2012, 10:18 AM   Top  -  End  -  #9
Zeta Kai
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Default Re: Class'ina Can 3.5

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Originally Posted by Cipherthe3vil View Post
Your way over thinking this.
And if you want anyone to actually use this homebrew, & not point to it as an example of why nobody should be allowed to use homebrew, then you are under-thinking this. You wrote it, now you have to back it up or fix it. I'm just pointing out a glaring flaw.

Here's a build for a bog-standard fighter, aiming to be an archer. He's human, with no flaws, no real optimization, & only using Core material:

LevelFeats
1Point Blank Shot, Precise Shot, Rapid Shot
2Far Shot
3Dodge
4Mobility
5 
6Manyshot, Shot on the Run
7 
8Improved Critical
9Combat Reflexes
10Improved Initiative
11Improved Precise Shot
12Quick Draw, Weapon Focus
13 
14Weapon Specialization
15Greater Weapon Focus
16Greater Weapon Specialization
17 
18Skill Focus, Stealthy
19 
20Lightning Reflexes

Did you notice how, with the exception of Improved Precise Shot, I ran out of archery-related feats at 6th level, & had to take things that were only tangentially related to being a better archer? Did you see that? Well, take a look at a fighter with all of the same parameters, except using your FIAC at first level:

LevelFeatsFIAC
1Point Blank Shot, Precise ShotRapid Shot
2Dodge 
3Improved Initiative, Mobility 
4  
5Combat ReflexesFar Shot
6Weapon Focus 
7Weapon Specialization 
8  
9Improved Critical, Greater Weapon FocusManyshot
10  
11Quick Draw 
12Greater Weapon Specialization 
13Skill FocusShot on the Run
14  
15Lightning Reflexes, Stealthy 
16  
17Rapid ReloadImproved Precise Shot
18Spring Attack 
19Iron Will 
20  

Notice how I didn't get most of my archery-related feat until way later? Why did I wait? Because if I didn't wait, then my FIAC class feature would've been wasted, & I'd get no feats from it later. So I ended up with a diluted build full of feats that are largely unrelated to what I set out to do. I took your dip class to become an archer, & I ended up being less of an archer because of it.

And it works the same way with any other combat style offered by your class (archery was merely chosen because it was first, & it has the most related feats in Core). The FIAC does offer 3 feats for a single-level dip (well, it actually offers 4, but I get the last one at 17th level, & taking this class dip costs a fighter his 20th-level bonus feat), but I have to take the build-related feats far later than I would normally otherwise, which goes against all logic. Outside of Core, I could possibly do better, but most related feats have higher prerequisites, so I'd have to wait to take those anyway.

No matter what, I'm missing out by taking your dip class. And you never gave it skills or starting gold, so I'd have to fudge that myself to even get this far. I may be over-thinking it, but the alternative is obviously bad homebrew, so I'll take that label.
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