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Galloglaich · 09-13-2012, 07:22 PM

Skill definitely effects your ability to cut (cause damage with a sword). If you don't know what you are doing you can in some cases barely cause any damage at all, it's pretty easy to slap with the flat, to hit and pull back right away, to where you can't even cut a plastic water bottle (it will just fly away) or a pool noodle. On the other hand if you do know what you are doing, you can

Tatami are pretty hard to cut, and are used (at least today) to improve your cutting skill.

People lining up cuts in youtube videos are not particularly skilled at cutting (myself included) but they are starting to have more realistic cutting contests now in HEMA circles.

Here you can see Mike Edelson doing some Mastercuts on Tatami

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNEBpu8eDsU

and here some quicker ones

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4ucq...feature=relmfu

In Japanese and Korean martial arts circles that has been going on already for a long time and they have it down to a science, I think this is as fast as in any real fight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHNjKu1Kx9c

Here is a fairly realistic test showing rate of shots for a longbow vs. a relatively low powered (about 180 lbs) crossbow. That is about the lowest grade for military use historically, most would be much stronger and as Spiryt said, require spanning devices.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HagCuGXJgUs

These weapons were used in very different ways though. One of the many differences between them is that infantry crossbowmen were often deployed behind a pavise ('tower shield', more or less, in most RPG's) and two weapons were used, one being spanned by an assistant while the other was aimed by the shooter. The other way was mounted on horseback where they would shoot and move out of distance, more similar to the way pistols were used.

They were also used less often for 'area fire' for lack of a better word (bad term since bows aren't 'fired') though they were also used that way ... bows tended to be used more for 'lofted' shots and crossbows were more specialized at direct shots. The crossbow tends to have a much longer direct-shot range for individual targets, and is more accurate, but the longbow shoots a lot further at small areas (where the rate of shots is much more important)

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Galloglaich Bugbear in the Playground Join Date: Oct 2009 Gender:	Re: Got a Real World Weapons or Armour Question? Mk XI Skill definitely effects your ability to cut (cause damage with a sword). If you don't know what you are doing you can in some cases barely cause any damage at all, it's pretty easy to slap with the flat, to hit and pull back right away, to where you can't even cut a plastic water bottle (it will just fly away) or a pool noodle. On the other hand if you do know what you are doing, you can Tatami are pretty hard to cut, and are used (at least today) to improve your cutting skill. People lining up cuts in youtube videos are not particularly skilled at cutting (myself included) but they are starting to have more realistic cutting contests now in HEMA circles. Here you can see Mike Edelson doing some Mastercuts on Tatami http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNEBpu8eDsU and here some quicker ones http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4ucq...feature=relmfu In Japanese and Korean martial arts circles that has been going on already for a long time and they have it down to a science, I think this is as fast as in any real fight. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHNjKu1Kx9c Here is a fairly realistic test showing rate of shots for a longbow vs. a relatively low powered (about 180 lbs) crossbow. That is about the lowest grade for military use historically, most would be much stronger and as Spiryt said, require spanning devices. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HagCuGXJgUs These weapons were used in very different ways though. One of the many differences between them is that infantry crossbowmen were often deployed behind a pavise ('tower shield', more or less, in most RPG's) and two weapons were used, one being spanned by an assistant while the other was aimed by the shooter. The other way was mounted on horseback where they would shoot and move out of distance, more similar to the way pistols were used. They were also used less often for 'area fire' for lack of a better word (bad term since bows aren't 'fired') though they were also used that way ... bows tended to be used more for 'lofted' shots and crossbows were more specialized at direct shots. The crossbow tends to have a much longer direct-shot range for individual targets, and is more accurate, but the longbow shoots a lot further at small areas (where the rate of shots is much more important) G __________________ “The nation that makes a great distinction between its scholars and its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools.” -Thucydides The Codex Guide to the Medieval Baltic - take your RPG to a world you've never been before. Codex Martialis- fast paced realistic combat for 3.5 OGL. Last edited by Galloglaich : 09-13-2012 at 07:27 PM.