[Dr.Orpheus]

Originally Posted by Denomar

Level 50 tristalt. Why? What on earth is possibly going to challenge someone like that. At that point everyone and everything without even trying is immune to everything from damage to breathing, I can't even begin to guess how I would spend Thirty Three Million Gold.

At what point does it cease to be possible to not break the game sideways? Anyone that puts even a little bit of time into diplomacy will be the only one who can do anything practical at all because its the only thing that no one can be immune to.

For example, Let's conservatively say that someone drops around 21 levels in warlock, and about six or so levels in Binder. Another large amount of levels in artificer...

Here we have a character that adds his charisma score to diplomacy thanks to Morpheme Savant, and makes rushed diplomacy checks as a standard action by binding Naberius. Being able to make magic items for 25% off the listed gold cost due to Extraordinary Artisan. For an almost Meager 19507500 gold our hero has a +51 cloak of charisma. Leaving ten million gold to buy more or less everything anyone could ever need (say, a ring of universal elemental immunity for 1620000, +1 Heavy Fortification Soulfire Bracers of Armour for 75000, a ring of freedom of movement for 30000, a Third Eye Conceal for 90000 if for some reason the character can't just Cast mind blank and that's under two million gold by itself). Metamagic completion to use persist spell on Monstrous Regeneration and Construct Essence and you have a character that's immune to mind effecting, criticals, negative levels, death effects, grappling, damage, non lethal damage and every type of elemental damage to boot.

*sigh* sorry. Too much math, I like the idea of epic a lot, but it always goes downhill so fast, and with this much book-keeping making a character would take a month at the least which would cross the line into actual work for me. I think I can unabashedly say that I dislike wealth by level more than any other mechanic in D&D, because while its meant to reflect what someone has likely acquired over their adventuring career being able to jump into the magic mart at character creation gives you way too much control over your vast fortune. No random silver daggers and +1 leather armors cluttering up the bank so to speak.

Best of luck, but I can't see how this could possibly not crush itself under its own weight.

Originally Posted by Denomar

I'm entirely too long winded for my own good. A more succinct and clear version of what I'm trying to say is:

1. I would get extremely frustrated with the amount of book-keeping required to keep track of three different characters (which is a level 50 tristalt).

2. I can't figure out a way to actually spend that much money in such a way as to not make the character completely and utterly invulnerable, immortal and otherwise enduring. Unless the DM bans items or certain abilities at which point any other character can end another as a standard action or less.

3. The only things that could challenge such a character would Also have to be similarly invulnerable, immortal and otherwise enduring outside of direct DM Fiat. Rocket tag at its finest.

4. Therefore the game becomes one of intrigue and politics where dice are rolled less and less because the dice rolls are immaterial since no one's abilities as super powerful characters can actually affect anyone.

In which case. Why is the game D&D at all? If everyone is so powerful that they can destroy the world but can't touch the other players who also happen to be everyone else's primary nemesis than why not simply say that everyone is arbitrarily powerful, the ruler of their own nation, and seek to conquer the world but can't do so directly and simply engage in free-form roll-playing?

This is a recruitment thread not a discussion thread sir. so as Co-DM I suggest you leave or join the game. I personally have had great fun in campaigns of this level broken or not.

So on another note any one with a character consept want to ally with Bivore the Strongest.