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Originally Posted by Matthew
Actually, reread the PHB fluff with Clerics. They don't have to be ordained.
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I know, but this is playing fast and loose with the definition of the word 'cleric'!
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Paladins are certainly not definition B secular (i.e. in the sense of uninterested in religion), but that is not really the issue.
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Well, I was of the impression you were saying they
could be... although I should note that I didn't mean 'concerned with' as in 'interested in'. I meant it as 'of or related to'.
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Paladins receive divine protection, aid and spells. The source of that power is Divine (in the D&D sense of Arcane and Divine). It does not follow that Paladins receive that power from a Deity or group of Deities, unless that is the only way such power can be granted in a given campaign world. Divinities (in D&D) acquire Divine power themselves, they are not actually the font of divine power. There are (for instance) limits to what they can do.
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Oh good grief. The worst part of this is that you're technically right, but surely you can see that this is absurd?
-- But I'm not going to let myself get all tangential on the matter of first causes. Your assertion that paladins may be 'divine' but not 'serving a deity' (as described in my post) is noted, accepted, and then politely overlooked.
Elliot stated the reason why:
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Originally Posted by Elliot Kane
Nonetheless, to get back to paladins: the vast majority will be holy warriors who draw their powers from one or more deities. Can we at least agree on that? So while there may be a tiny minority who are secular, the majority will not be?
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Indeed. Most paladins
do in fact draw their power from serving a deity. Therefore I wrote my post with such paladins in mind.