Quote Originally Posted by Morph Bark View Post
I'd just like to point out here that manipulation is by no means the same as creation, at all.

For example, there are superheroes that can manipulate fire, but cannot produce it, whereas there are other superheroes that can both create and manipulate fire. (You may substitute "fire" for basically any other "elemental" ability.)
The one that only manipulates the fire is a transmuter. Maybe I didn't express myself well enough.

Quote Originally Posted by peacenlove View Post
Shadow Evocation disagrees.
That is true only because WotC are fallacious. Hence, for instance, my Prc having a penalty to both normal and shadow evocation.