Quote Originally Posted by ronnyfire View Post
overwhelming force aint overpowered, its 6TH LEVEL. go thru some random spells and tell me the lowest level effective save or die spell
Spell != manuver. Lowest level save or LOSE manuver? Nothing but Feral Death Blow, 9'th level. 9'th level manuvers are like 6'th level spells or so, for crying out loud.

Yeah, my evaluation of Warlord's grip was probably over-hasty.