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    Default The opposite of "non sequitur"? (Latin language question)

    A very quick question: if "non sequitur" means "that which does not follow", then what would be the Latin equivalent of "that which follows"? E.g. the direct opposite of "non sequitur". Would it simply be "sequitur", or something else?

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    Maybe "quod erat demonstrandum?" It means "that which was to be demonstrated," and is the "QED" that you'll often see in arguments.
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    If you want an opposite that is in common English usage, I'd go with "ergo", which means "therefore". If you are desperate for a noun, my Google fu is turning up "consequens". I suppose it depends on how nuanced you want to be in the notion of "that which follows".

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    "Sequitur" literally means "that which follows". It's correct latin, but unlike "non sequitur", you can't use it in English without invoking the wrath of the language gods.

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    Sorry to be pedantic, but sequitur does not literally mean "that which follows". Sequitur means "it follows". It's the third-person-singular conjugation of a verb. Non sequitur means "it does not follow". Construe the similar English idiom, "it follows that..."

    I'll skim through Cicero for something with a precedent, who is full of this kind of cute hypotaxis. I like the two suggestions ergo and quod erat demonstrandum, the latter particularly because of the imperfect tense and passive periphrastic: a nice little combination of syntax to suggest a successfully discharged purpose.
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    The point is that it's latin.
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    Hrm...I was looking for "that which follows" in the context of, "the results of an action", like the effect that results from a cause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kneenibble View Post
    Sorry to be pedantic, but sequitur does not literally mean "that which follows". Sequitur means "it follows". It's the third-person-singular conjugation of a verb. Non sequitur means "it does not follow". Construe the similar English idiom, "it follows that..."
    Don't worry, pedantry is what linguistics is all about!

    But anyway, here's what Wiktionary has to say about "Sequitur": Linky!

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    Actually, judging by the Wiktionary entry, "sequitur" is perfect for what I'm going to use it for. Thanks for the help, everyone!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 13_CBS View Post
    Hrm...I was looking for "that which follows" in the context of, "the results of an action", like the effect that results from a cause.
    "That which follows," literally, would be "id quod sequitur."
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    Well, in general as long as something is Latin it sounds smart even if it's complete blather.
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    Exactly! Saxa cadunt, omni moriuntur.

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    Exactly! Saxa cadunt, omni moriuntur.

    ...did I say that right, Chunklets?
    Really close! It's "omnes moriuntur."
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    Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.
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    Vero dictu; hac ratione primus condidici. Alioqui ratio sit?!

    Actually Mr. Chunklets, I'd be curious to hear whether you have an answer to the OP's question? - is there a rhetorical Latinate antonym to non sequitur? I know sequitur is technically correct and appears in the English dictionary as a noun, but I doubt most people would recognize its meaning.
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    I've always wondered, is Cogito Ergo Vicco proper latin grammar, or not?
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    It's Vinco, not Vicco. Vici is an irregular perfect; hence the missing N.

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    At this point, I have reached the extent of my Latin knowledge, so will follow the old maxim: Quando omni fluncus, mortati.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kneenibble View Post
    Actually Mr. Chunklets, I'd be curious to hear whether you have an answer to the OP's question? - is there a rhetorical Latinate antonym to non sequitur? I know sequitur is technically correct and appears in the English dictionary as a noun, but I doubt most people would recognize its meaning.
    To the best of my knowledge, the best Latinate antonym to "non sequitur" is, in fact, "sequitur." For some reason, it's appears a lot less in common usage than "non sequitur," but it is valid. I am absolutely willing to be corrected on this, though!
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    Necromancy!

    Another question: what's a good Latin translation of the word, "History"? I can't find it on any Latin dictionaries for some reason...

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    Necromancy!

    Another question: what's a good Latin translation of the word, "History"? I can't find it on any Latin dictionaries for some reason...
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    Thanks!

    And, finally, a true challenge for our Latin scholars:

    A poem. Sorta. Actually, 3 poems. (Fans of anime should recognize these.)

    The first:

    My body is an amalgam of swords
    Iron my blood and glass my heart
    Ten thousand battles lie behind me
    Not once defeated, not once retreating,
    Not once understood
    Always alone, intoxicated with victory on that hill of death
    There has never been any meaning to this life
    And so I pray, Unlimited Blade Works


    The second:

    The sword is the bone of my flesh
    Steel my body and fire my blood
    Ten thousand blades these hands have forged
    Never knowing death
    Never knowing life
    Strengthened by sorrow and strengthened by pain
    Yet these hands will forever hold nothing
    And so I pray, Unlimited Blade Works


    The third:

    The sword is the bone of my flesh
    Steel my body and fire my blood.
    Ten thousand blades these hands have forged
    Not once understanding, not once aware of gain
    Yet strengthened by conviction and strengthened by will
    These hands will forever be a shield
    I have no regrets though this was and will be the only path
    So I pray, Unlimited Blade Works

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    Oh, I recognised it ^^

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    From Fate/Stay Night. It's something Archer says, right? Well, the Unlimited Blade Works line at the end was pretty obvious as a hint, but I got the same vibe from the rest of the poem.
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    Yep! I took three versions of the Unlimited Blade Works incantation and posted them here after some editing. The first is an alternate rendition, a literal translation of the original UBW chant that appears in the original visual novel. The second is the original UBW chant by Archer in the anime and the visual novel. The third is the UBW chant by Shirou.

    Now I just need them in Latin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 13_CBS View Post
    Yep! I took three versions of the Unlimited Blade Works incantation and posted them here after some editing. The first is an alternate rendition, a literal translation of the original UBW chant that appears in the original visual novel. The second is the original UBW chant by Archer in the anime and the visual novel. The third is the UBW chant by Shirou.

    Now I just need them in Latin.
    Oh, in that I can't help, sorry. My Latin is limited to stuff like Ad-Hoc, Ipso-Facto and Cogito, Ergo Sum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 13_CBS View Post
    Now I just need them in Latin.
    I'll give it a shot. My Latin's a little rusty, but I've got a handy-dandy dictionary and my old textbook, so I should be okay.

    Any preference on the order? Also, do you want literal translations, or ones that keep the spirit of the original without necessarily keeping the same words?
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    One that keeps the spirit of the original, please.

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    Well, here's the first one. Any other Latinists can feel free to shoot down any part of it I might have gotten wrong, but I think it's decent at least.

    Corpus meus est malagma* gladiorum,
    Ferrum meus sanguis, vitrum mea cordia.
    Proelia decem milia contigor mihi,
    Sed numquam vinctus sum, numquam recessi,
    Et numquam intellectus sum.
    Semper solus, ebrius victoria in illo monte mortis
    Numquam habuit Vita sententiam.
    Et ita precor, O Infinita Lamina Facta


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    My body is an amalgam of swords,
    Iron my blood, glass my heart.
    Ten-thousand battles have befallen me,
    Yet never have I been defeated, never have I retreated
    And never have I been understood.
    Always alone, drunk with victory on that mountain of death
    Never has Life had meaning (or purpose)
    And thus I pray, O Infinite Blade Deeds.


    *This is just right from the Greek, and even though it doesn't mean the same as in English, I couldn't find a better word.
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    That's awesome! Thanks!

    (And for the literal translation, too!)

    Edit: Upon further research of the term "Unlimited Blade Works", I found out that the original Japanese meant something more like "Infinite/ Unlimited Sword-Crafting", since this chant is supposed to, in simple terms, facilitate sword making. What would be a good Latin translation for it?
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