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2009-01-03, 08:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: ABR Discussion Thread XVI: Matters of Futures Imperfect
I know. But Lying&co. are gonna fight the Shades. Meanwhile, the UNA will fight--and win--against the Shades' armies. At least, that's my understanding.
/\No. That will ruin everything! And anyways, it is time for teh Shades to be destroyed, once and for all. That is what the entire plot of FFF 1 was about!!! The Shades! And FFF 2: FI will be about the UNA.Last edited by The Gremlin; 2009-01-03 at 08:36 PM.
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2009-01-03, 08:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: ABR Discussion Thread XVI: Matters of Futures Imperfect
Okay let's sum this up: NO-one absolutely no one, despite technology, numbers, organization, magic or other superpowers is able to even hurt the shades, except for salmon and leroy.
If the shades are not going to be destroyed, they will destroy everything else (at a blinding pace, including all sovice that try to come near them). And there wouldnt be any future that salmon could have come back from.
That is why Salmon has to kill the Shades. They're number one priority for the sake of anything that is alive, undead and/or animated in any other way, unless its some form of demon. Though most of these will be gone too.
So Salmon will fight the shades and beat them, the UNA subsequently taking over the world founding the prerequisites for FI.
That way we get salmon's future (which then probably come after FI) and FI to match somewhat, and the FFF plot closes like a plot should.
That'd be one hell of a can.
And no.Last edited by Threeshades; 2009-01-03 at 08:40 PM.
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2009-01-03, 08:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: ABR Discussion Thread XVI: Matters of Futures Imperfect
Alright, if the Shades can only be defeated by Salmon, that begs the question: how do the UNA win in Salmon's dark future? With Salmon removed from the timeline, the Shades should not have been defeated.
There are a few solutions to this:
a) The Shades can be beat without Salmon
b) The dark future is one in which the Shades win.
c) Time in Avbaroy is a stable time loop. Salmon goes back in time, defeats the Shades but fails to defeat the UNA, creating the dark future.
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a) Already contradicted by word of God from Threeshades
b) Contradicted by the fact that Salmon saw Ins in the future. It is unlikely that Threeshades would have allowed him to live.
c) FI truly becomes hopeless, as the future is unchangeable and Avbaroy is doomed to UNA rule.Visit the Chocolate Hammer IRC channel!
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2009-01-03, 08:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: ABR Discussion Thread XVI: Matters of Futures Imperfect
Okay, Salmon kills the shades (Potentioally being godmodded into doing so if he goes on Hiatus again), then the UNoA takes credit for it.
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2009-01-03, 08:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-01-03, 08:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: ABR Discussion Thread XVI: Matters of Futures Imperfect
Another question: Why are the Shades so powerful? We know that the Shades were promised to Sildyu's descendants by Vilkarlig, but Vilkarlig is no where near that powerful, as evidenced by his capture by the Sovice.
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2009-01-03, 08:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: ABR Discussion Thread XVI: Matters of Futures Imperfect
A creation cannot be more intelligent than it's creator. It can however always be more powerful.
The shades grew out of hand as soon as they were created, like a zombie-virus experiment. Their bond to threeshades' soul is the only weakness, and it only is present, if threeshades' soul is too.
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2009-01-03, 08:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-01-03, 08:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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I already said once; Parallel universe. A bit like the ending of this star trek episode (the 5th paragraph in synopsis)
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2009-01-03, 08:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: ABR Discussion Thread XVI: Matters of Futures Imperfect
It still seems a little far-fetched to me.
The problem I have with the Shades, and many ABR chraracters, is that they seem to somehow be more ass-kicking that Cthulhu, Chuck Norris, the Emperor of Mankind, and Squirrel Girl combined. Their powers are so far over 9000 that its not even funny anymore, just annoying.
But what creates a new alternate universe? If we accept that it is time travel, the future that Salmon arrives in is still one in which he has been removed early from the timeline. Without him the Shades should have been unstoppable and the future should have been one with Shade rule.Last edited by kpenguin; 2009-01-03 at 08:57 PM.
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2009-01-03, 08:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: ABR Discussion Thread XVI: Matters of Futures Imperfect
A fishy sort of example. The reason you can't have a live plant in a goldfish tank is because either the goldfish eat the plant to nothing or the plant grows too fast and takes over the tank.
The shades are the like the plant over-growing the tank, it starts small but gains lots of power (growing); Salmon and Leroy are the human removing the plant from the tank to keep the fish alive (destroying the shades).
@/\; the universe Future Salmon is from could be one where the bad sovice have beaten the Resistance, so Salmon goes back in time (to the universe we use) to try to prevent the future he came from from happening. Thing is, he doesn't know that they're parallel universes.Last edited by memnarch; 2009-01-03 at 09:02 PM.
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Re: ABR Discussion Thread XVI: Matters of Futures Imperfect
Can't Salmon and leeroy go slaughter the white shades while the other people and me hold the red+purple ones at the entrance? (then have them come help us kill the rest.)
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Re: ABR Discussion Thread XVI: Matters of Futures Imperfect
While we fight the UNA takes over avbory then we have a big climactic scene at the cave were salmon barely saves someones life then we go back to avabory to find it under UNA control. Owned. o_O
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Re: ABR Discussion Thread XVI: Matters of Futures Imperfect
That actually makes more sense than you might think.
The Many Worlds theory in a (heavily-influence if not entirely abiding by) D&D setting is extremely apt. Travel far enough into the Plane of Shadow and you find other worlds.
Meaning it's possible Threeshade's "temporal teleport" was really an extremely whacked out Plane Shift.
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2009-01-03, 09:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: ABR Discussion Thread XVI: Matters of Futures Imperfect
unnecessary as the UNA already controls a lot of Avbaroy by default. Also unlikely as the fight against the shades cant possibly take so long asnd be so distracting that they wouldn't notice the UNA conquering the world in the meantime.
Also casting a spell named "reality shift" several times can quite easily throw reality out of its hinges, i imagine.Last edited by Threeshades; 2009-01-03 at 09:55 PM.
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2009-01-03, 09:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: ABR Discussion Thread XVI: Matters of Futures Imperfect
Question: Is Avbaroy the Material Plane, or is it for all extensive purposes, the material plane for spell effects.
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2009-01-03, 09:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: ABR Discussion Thread XVI: Matters of Futures Imperfect
Yeah, but imagine this: The heroes go to face off with the Shades. Meanwhile, far away, a terrible battle begins as the UNA marches to battle against the Neo-Moon Elf Empire.
The heroes win (hopefully)but are aware of the battle. They thus travel to Alphantica. By the time they get there, and hear the news, the battle is over and the Neo-Moon Elf Empire is no more.
/\The former.Last edited by The Gremlin; 2009-01-03 at 10:00 PM.
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Re: ABR Discussion Thread XVI: Matters of Futures Imperfect
I treat Avbaroy's universe as the Prime Material Plane. The fact that it has more planets in it makes it even more suited, given that there are infinite demons. "Avbaroy" is also used as shorthand for the PMP.
I also like to think there are other planets mirroring Avbaroy's in their own planes, like an entire universe full of planets entirely of lava for the Elemental Plane of Fire. But that's a personal preference.Last edited by Lyinginbedmon; 2009-01-03 at 10:03 PM.
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The Neo-moon elf empire. Does that even exist? I mean there has been only one moon elf shown in plot-setting time that was Threeshades. Who was usurped by the Shades. And together they never controlled much more than lots of Evil-because-the-book-said-so races and underdark races (that dont necessarily have to be evil). A real neo moon-elf empire doesnt really exist anymore, at least it has been just recently left behind by the shades who assume to have gotten rid of their bothersome host and dont produce their own mooks now.
anyhow that would be way too much work, I thought we wanted to get this plot done.