Avatar Battle Royale Discussion Thread XIX: To FAIL, or not to FAIL?

[Nameless]

So can I put your vote down for "For Including FAIL" then?
If you want, I could word it as "Against the Exclusion of FAIL", because it amounts to the same thing.

*Totally not trying to gain as many votes as possible through clever campaigning.*
Which is a lie. I mean, that's the point of campaigning.

You should totely vote for not-FAIL because unlike Keris, I'm not doing that ^

We also have a vote from Bayar!. YAY BAYAR!

[Mina Kobold]

Who wants me to make a new house o' horrors. (ABR)

You're on my hate list (That means I hate you)

[-skimmer-]

So can I put your vote down for "For Including FAIL" then?
If you want, I could word it as "Against the Exclusion of FAIL", because it amounts to the same thing.

*Totally not trying to gain as many votes as possible through clever campaigning.*
Which is a lie. I mean, that's the point of campaigning.

How shrewd of you Yes, you can.
But if it ends as tie again, just don't count me and let "not-FAIL" win, so we can finally leave this topic.

[Fawkes]

I refuse to vote on account of this being dumb.

[Nameless]

@Crimson: I've already made one, try finding it and revive it. >:D

@^: That's one vote for us.

[Mad Mask]

If anyone wants to do a Fat Fish Fury comic taking people to the Shades, they can do it, since I've decided to not do it.

I also mention that I abstain from voting in this ridiculous debate.

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@Crimson: I've already made one, try finding it and revive it. >:D

oh, crap...my eyes! I really didn't knew what it means until now

[Mina Kobold]

oh, crap...my eyes! I really didn't knew what it means until now

That's why I hate it. Down with horror!

[memnarch]

A more useful place for voting, I give you, Hurt/Heal!

Also, who are we to say what people can or can't call something?

My vote is still the same as last time though.

[Lemming]

Using in just in the TV show isn't the problame, it's using it in real life that's the problame, which is what we're arguing about... I think. >.>

Nameless called a vote on whether the concept of FAIL should be kicked out of ABR completely. So if you don't want that, vote "For including FAIL", and then after that we can vote on how much people use it.

Go-go length democratic process!

I think part of the problem here is that the vote is too general. We already decided that there is a TV show with the name FAIL. The vote should be about whether normal people sometimes call ALF FAIL instead of ALF.

"FAIL' is a vote for normal people using FAIL to refer to ALF in real life.
"NOT FAIL" is a vote for normal people not using FAIL to refer to ALF in real life.

That should clear some of this up.

[The Gremlin]

The problem with this whole vote is, no matter what side wins, it can't stop the 'losing side' from using it. I say that we should stop wasting time here, as such. The tradition of ABR has (almost)always been: If you get an idea, use it in a comic. If it's something which you think bears explanation, post it and explain. The only reason there's debate is really because the current intention of FAIL is differing from the original(s). Originally, it was a joke. Then it became what the UNA called the ALF. Then, an idea surfaced for a short time to have it be a separate group. Then, that idea died, and it went back to the first. Then, we got the compromise.
Because the first two were very impopular, Nameless can't drop it and allow FAIL to survive. It's all about first-impressions. Ironically, when the joke came around, it was Nameless who said something like: "No. "
Anyways I'll get back to the point. The intent of ABR is to, generally, come up with an idea and use it. If it's major (like a new plot, a dead character, or a new guy), the person will ask. This idea is not major. And yet we're calling a vote on it. We never call a vote on something so minor. It's something that will barely even come into play. Voting to disallow something with no repercussions AT ALL (besides this idiotic vote and a lot of wasted time)goes against ABR's spirit.

[Nameless]

The problem with this whole vote is, no matter what side wins, it can't stop the 'losing side' from using it. I say that we should stop wasting time here, as such. The tradition of ABR has (almost)always been: If you get an idea, use it in a comic. If it's something which you think bears explanation, post it and explain. The only reason there's debate is really because the current intention of FAIL is differing from the original(s). Originally, it was a joke. Then it became what the UNA called the ALF. Then, an idea surfaced for a short time to have it be a separate group. Then, that idea died, and it went back to the first. Then, we got the compromise.
Because the first two were very impopular, Nameless can't drop it and allow FAIL to survive. It's all about first-impressions. Ironically, when the joke came around, it was Nameless who said something like: "No. "
Anyways I'll get back to the point. The intent of ABR is to, generally, come up with an idea and use it. If it's major (like a new plot, a dead character, or a new guy), the person will ask. This idea is not major. And yet we're calling a vote on it. We never call a vote on something so minor. It's something that will barely even come into play. Voting to disallow something with no repercussions AT ALL (besides this idiotic vote and a lot of wasted time)goes against ABR's spirit.

Yes it can, with teh magicz of non-cannon.

[memnarch]

So, just using the word, would a comic non-canon?

[Lemming]

So, just using the word, would a comic non-canon?

You can't non-canonize every time someone does it. So you'd have to either have the other characters think he's talking about the TV show, not understand what he's talking about, or god-mod and brutally murder him in his sleep and hang his guts from a tree as a warning to all others who defy the will of Vote! or make fun of him because he calls a terrorist organization a joke name; "Dude, just call it ALF."

[Lyinginbedmon]

I'm going to change my vote to "Shut the heck up with this argument."

Aka, tally with the most votes gets mine.

[Green-Shirt Q]

I'm going to change my vote to "Shut the heck up with this argument."

As much as I hate to say it, for the very first time I agree with Lyinginbedmon.

This arguement is stupid and pointless. It's the reason why I haven't participated much in ABR recently. I say we just have the organization go unnamed just so we don't have to talk about it anymore.

[Zerglinkeke]

Yeah. Canadia sucks!

Canada however is the awsomest country in the world. It's like a spin-off of Britan and it's like America minus the cowboys and not everybody hates us.

I agree, here in Edmonton it only snowed about another 20cm and is -25 degrees. In fact a week ago we could play hockey on my driveway with some friends, real ice hockey. Whats not to like in this frozen wasteland wonderland?

[Lemming]

I agree, here in Edmonton it only snowed about another 20cm and is -25 degrees. In fact a week ago we could play hockey on my driveway with some friends, real ice hockey. Whats not to like in this frozen wasteland wonderland?

Really? It was only like -5 here today. Freakin' warm. Which sucks cause I haven't been on the Rideau Canal yet or had a beavertail.
I don't like Russians trying to steal the north pole. And beer ads (stupid Molson Canadians).

[The Gremlin]

Yes it can, with teh magicz of non-cannon.

You forget. The Non-Canon Cannon is manned by MY character!
Hey, let's nuke Nameless's character now! Fire!

[Bayar]

You forget. The Non-Canon Cannon is manned by MY character!
Hey, let's nuke Nameless's character now! Fire!

Your non-canon cannon sucks. Re-draw it without being all pixely and stuff and then we can talk...

[Keris]

I think part of the problem here is that the vote is too general. We already decided that there is a TV show with the name FAIL. The vote should be about whether normal people sometimes call ALF FAIL instead of ALF.

"FAIL' is a vote for normal people using FAIL to refer to ALF in real life.
"NOT FAIL" is a vote for normal people not using FAIL to refer to ALF in real life.

"For Including FAIL" is a vote for having FAIL included in ABR in some way, shape, or form.
"Against Including FAIL" is a vote for not having FAIL in ABR in any way, shape or form.

That's what Nameless called a vote on, so that's what we're voting on.

*I say the best way to sort this out is a simple vote. Those who want the name being used as a joke by some of the public because of a kids TV show, and those who don’t think it’s necessary to have it in.

So we separate into those of us who want some of the public to use FAIL (i.e., those of us who compromised earlier), and those of us who don't think it's necessary to include FAIL at all.

[The Gremlin]

Your non-canon cannon sucks. Re-draw it without being all pixely and stuff and then we can talk...

Okay, you can't argue with someone who insults Paint.
Don't make me hit you with the Cannon.

[Mina Kobold]

Your non-canon cannon sucks. Re-draw it without being all pixely and stuff and then we can talk...

I agree with gremlin, that's mean

[Falgorn]

Your non-canon cannon sucks. Re-draw it without being all pixely and stuff and then we can talk...

Yeah. I agree with Gremlin and Keveak. When you start drawing, and I see it, then you can judge like that. Wait- you can't. We're in a no-judgement zone. You should provide suggestions, and not just insult people.

[Nameless]

We could have another vote on how much we use it if Not-FAIL wins.

Nice story Kev

[Falgorn]

We could have another vote on how much we use it if Not-FAIL wins.

Nice story Kev

I say we have a vote on whether to have that vote. And it was a good story, Keveak. Happy endings make me...smile?

[Keris]

We could have another vote on how much we use it if Not-FAIL wins

If "Against Including FAIL" wins, FAIL isn't in the plot at all. No mention whatsoever. That's what you called the vote on.

If "For Including FAIL" wins, then we will have to vote again on the level of inclusion.

[Bayar]

Yeah. I agree with Gremlin and Keveak. When you start drawing, and I see it, then you can judge like that. Wait- you can't. We're in a no-judgement zone. You should provide suggestions, and not just insult people.

I would, but Im too lazy to make a character right now. Or draw really.

Wait- you can't.

It wouldnt be wise to taunt me, boy.

[Falgorn]

Taunt you? I was just saying that we, as a whole, don't insult one another...about artwork at least. That fail arguement doesn't count. They're using political slander, so it's fair... somehow. And I won't draw this out into a 30-page-long arguement.

[Keris]

I would, but Im too lazy to make a character right now. Or draw really.

It wouldnt be wise to taunt me, boy.

These statements appear to be contradictory. If you're too lazy to draw, then what are you going to do?