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    IS he lvl 20 or epic?
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    So Vaarsuvius is an Epic Whatsit now. "Whatsit". I think I like that term.

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    Default Re: Is vaarsuvius epic?

    Normally, No. (Well, okay, we don't know for sure but It's pretty unlikely!)

    Now? Yes. Oh 12 gods, yes.

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    He was unable to breach the Cloister spell before, and Roy's Dad could scry on Haley through the cloud on account of having "Epic Inside", so I'm pretty sure he was not Epic before. Besides, we only saw him use 7th level spells against the dragon, which would imply he's less than 15th level normally.

    Now, he's got 3 casters who according to the fiends have Epic level spells.
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    suppose that makes sense. Since V has fought like 50 bosses, youd think hed level up...
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    So Vaarsuvius is an Epic Whatsit now. "Whatsit". I think I like that term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaarsuvius4181 View Post
    suppose that makes sense. Since V has fought like 50 bosses, youd think hed level up...
    Well, we don't know whether any of the stuff they've faced on the high seas was enough of a CR for V to level.
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    uh...d and d is confusing...
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    So Vaarsuvius is an Epic Whatsit now. "Whatsit". I think I like that term.

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    Default Re: Is vaarsuvius epic?

    And really, 50 bosses? More like 10, and that might be a stretch.

    Anyway, Vaarsuvius is definitely epic now. Call me crazy, but I'm sure that Epic Conjurer + Epic Necromancer + Epic Sorceror + Non-Epic Evoker = Epic Whatsit
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgeo View Post
    So Vaarsuvius is an Epic Whatsit now. "Whatsit". I think I like that term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CapedLuigiYoshi View Post
    And really, 50 bosses? More like 10, and that might be a stretch.

    Anyway, Vaarsuvius is definitely epic now. Call me crazy, but I'm sure that Epic Conjurer + Epic Necromancer + Epic Sorceror + Non-Epic Evoker = Epic Whatsit
    So Vaarsuvius is an Epic Whatsit now. "Whatsit". I think I like that term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgeo View Post
    So Vaarsuvius is an Epic Whatsit now. "Whatsit". I think I like that term.
    Mind if I quote that? I find it very funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgeo View Post
    So Vaarsuvius is an Epic Whatsit now. "Whatsit". I think I like that term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CapedLuigiYoshi View Post
    And really, 50 bosses? More like 10, and that might be a stretch.

    Anyway, Vaarsuvius is definitely epic now. Call me crazy, but I'm sure that Epic Conjurer + Epic Necromancer + Epic Sorceror + Non-Epic Evoker = Epic Whatsit
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    So Vaarsuvius is an Epic Whatsit now. "Whatsit". I think I like that term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgeo View Post
    So Vaarsuvius is an Epic Whatsit now. "Whatsit". I think I like that term.
    It's even funnier if you think of the Homestar Runner definition of whatsit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CapedLuigiYoshi View Post
    Mind if I quote that? I find it very funny.
    Sure, go ahead. Is permission really needed to quote people?

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    V's minimum effective level is upwards of 30. 40 is not out of the question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaarsuvius4181 View Post
    uh...d and d is confusing...
    When taken too far, D&D is like an epic-level meat grinder that turns stories into spreadsheets and people into dorks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaarsuvius4181 View Post
    uh...d and d is confusing...
    Not really. It just seems that some people here have fun making it more confusing than it is and also try to apply rules where they simply do no apply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Argall View Post
    V's minimum effective level is upwards of 30. 40 is not out of the question.
    Try 77. Probably closer to 100.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magic9mushroom View Post
    Try 77. Probably closer to 100.
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    Quote Originally Posted by magic9mushroom View Post
    Try 77. Probably closer to 100.
    He said "effective level". A true level 50 would probably wipe the table with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kusje View Post
    He said "effective level". A true level 50 would probably wipe the table with him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozgun92 View Post
    Over 9000!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kusje View Post
    He said "effective level". A true level 50 would probably wipe the table with him.
    Oh, sure. I was referring to "effective level for spellcasting purposes", which I assumed to be what he meant.

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    Wait, isnt 40 max?
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    So Vaarsuvius is an Epic Whatsit now. "Whatsit". I think I like that term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rxmd View Post
    When taken too far, D&D is like an epic-level meat grinder that turns stories into spreadsheets and people into dorks.
    Mind if I take that as a quote?
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    V did make a comment that could be taken as leveling. Or then again the comment could have been about getting more exp to use in research. With the splice V either has access to one 11th level slot at the minimum or 8th level of Ultimate magus (burning sorceror spell slots for feats) or the feat that allows metamagic for free 1 or 3 times per day (can't remeber what feat that was)

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    Quickened Disintegrate is impossible below Epic without some serious cheese. So yeah. Effectively and probably temporarily. But we knew that...

    I'm more interested in V's family's abilities, and whether they might have any role to play in this. The kids--probably not. But V's spouse could have something to say about having hir kids tortured.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magic9mushroom View Post
    Try 77. Probably closer to 100.
    This assumes the levels stack. The normal ruling would be that they don't, that V is now 4 mages, 3 of about 30th+ level and 1 of 13th or so. V might get the total hp and saves of 100 levels, but she casts as a 30+ level, just as she would cast at 3rd level if she was a wizard3-sorcerer3-cleric3-druid3.

    Now the fact V tried Disjuncture, and it worked, suggests they may stack, or that our writer prefers dramatic effects to being correct about D&D rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaarsuvius4181 View Post
    Wait, isnt 40 max?
    In Neverwinter Nights, yes. In actual D&D 3.5, there is no theoretical maximum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Argall View Post
    This assumes the levels stack. The normal ruling would be that they don't, that V is now 4 mages, 3 of about 30th+ level and 1 of 13th or so.
    I don't think we really know the ballpark numbers for the Epic Souls spliced to V yet... and I'd doubt that in a world where an 11th level spellcaster is extraordinary, all three hit level 30...

    ...however, each of them probably has at least 21 caster levels that stack with V's own, for a total caster level of probably at least 77... which would make me (at least) quite confident when casting Disjunction at an AMF (77% dispel rate, probably a better shot at that than forcing the Dragon to fail the Quickened Disintegrate's saving throw...).
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Argall View Post
    This assumes the levels stack. The normal ruling would be that they don't, that V is now 4 mages, 3 of about 30th+ level and 1 of 13th or so. V might get the total hp and saves of 100 levels, but she casts as a 30+ level, just as she would cast at 3rd level if she was a wizard3-sorcerer3-cleric3-druid3.

    Now the fact V tried Disjuncture, and it worked, suggests they may stack, or that our writer prefers dramatic effects to being correct about D&D rules.
    The fiends implied it would stack when they said that V would "dwarf any mortal arcane spellcaster who has ever lived".

    Otherwise, why bother tripling up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mando Knight View Post
    I don't think we really know the ballpark numbers for the Epic Souls spliced to V yet... and I'd doubt that in a world where an 11th level spellcaster is extraordinary, all three hit level 30...

    ...however, each of them probably has at least 21 caster levels that stack with V's own, for a total caster level of probably at least 77... which would make me (at least) quite confident when casting Disjunction at an AMF (77% dispel rate, probably a better shot at that than forcing the Dragon to fail the Quickened Disintegrate's saving throw...).
    The OotScr and Xykon are both epic. They are big-timers, but not insanely so.

    These mages are the greatest that have ever lived.

    I'd think they'd be well into epic, wouldn't you?

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