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Check on 26.8 & 9that Stanley can indeed get Thinkagrams via the linkup. Now question that really remains is can Maggie give the thinkagram in the 'handholding' position when she was last seen in.
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It may not have succeeded for any of several reasons. It may be that there cant be any real combat during the night since, as best we know, its nobodies turn, and thus it was just a symbolic attack as an extension of her emotions, rather than a real attack. It may be that she would have liked it to be a real attack but everyone is disarmed of effective weapons during the night, and thus she didnt have her warsword available, and had to make do with the ineffective knife. It may be that it was a real attack with an effective weapon, but her attack rating with the knife wasnt sufficient, either in general, or due to a bad dice roll, to hit/harm Ceasar. There is some form of random generation in the Erf system, so no attack is guaranteed to succeed, after all.
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I'm not convinced that's it, VV. Caeser and his boys are clearly entering combat in the background, so it is, as they say, "on".
Efr's roll system seems to play out in a "real" sense as well. You roll a hit, your swing's going to be good. You roll a miss, and you end up slashing air. I don't remember seeing deus ex style game mechanics.
To my eye, it looked more like Caeser blocked the blow via some passive magic.
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Originally Posted by Antrozous:
What I want to know is: Why did the attack not succeed? What's with the *SNAG*?
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It's unsurprising she didn't have her "big sword". She's essentially a captured unit at this point. The Translv guys must have either convinced or required her to relinquish it earlier on. They'd have had to have known she'd turn on them eventually. Frankly, I'm surprised she even had the knife.
Another thought: I seem to remember Stanley saying something interesting about "real time" to Parson in regards to attacking out of turn. Didn't he say it was "Barbaric"?
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I haven't looked at old pages in quite a while, but checking now made me wonder about veiling. According to this page it appears Jillian only has 2 peeps left. That means, on page 126 / 114, if I read it correctly, the illusionary dwagon toasted some of her real gwiffons? Were they killed by the veiled dwagon or later in the battle, or is the illusion that strong? Obviously it's all speculation but I know a lot of people on here read this story more carefully than I do.
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It certainly seemed like the illusion killed some orlies. But the toasting of the peeps was done by the real dwagon; the cloud of bats was not around when the peeps got roasted. One peep died in the fire breath and three survived, so one must have died in the battle.
Now Jack maybe be able to use other kinds of magic, and kill stuff like that. He did come from the same location as Wanda. Or illusions may be able to kill stuff, or I may not have interperted it correctly.
If illusions CAN harm that has implications for hiding GK.
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So if she also know the question the Erfworld must suddently disapear and be substituted by something even weirder and less comprehensible, cue book 2
But Stanley is in really a boopy place right now, how many turns can he aford on upkeep for the few troops he got left? And having 4 of then are out of reach dosen't help much.
And about Red assuming Attuned Arkentool trumps duty, it may trump other froms of natural thinkmancy, and even if Ceasar's story is corect and there is no lie (to him or by him) still she may be alive but her sides thinkamancer coulden't find her (is that wishfull thinking trumping logic?) if she attuned.
Oh Well I guess I'll just have to keep reading lovely comic.*remember, english is not my mother language, heck, it's not even my aunt language, well maybe my 3rd degree cousin language
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He can choose to disband anyone he feels like, so if he can't get the trio back from the Magic Kingdom, they'll go unemployed. (Not sure if Barbairan is the right term for casters, but probably is.)
How long? Long enough to start a new city with fewer units than he planned initially. He can't restart in Faq, but he could restart on GK, and hide the fact using Jack. Vinnie's analysis of Stanley running out of money was before he found out about the end of RCC... he was assuming RCC would capture GK. RCC failed in that, and the volcano might have revealed new gesm, so Stanley may be able to be back in full form in relatively short order. All he neeeds to do is hide the fact, and Jack can do that for him. Of course, The trio would be a big help, if they could all be brought out conscious. Sizemore builds the city with untiring golems while Wanda builds the city with untiring uncroaked.But it all depends on how much money Stanley could take with him.
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Actually, the real answer to the argument of whether the knife should be held blade up or blade down is to just use the most infamous fighting knife of all time, the Fairbairn-Sykes SAS Commando Dagger. Use one of these babies, and it doesn't matter WHICH way you hold it.
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PS. Oh, and regarding the whole "Volcano was out of left-field" school of thought, I totally disagree. As others have said (but since I love to hear myself talk, I am going to say it again), I was getting really tired of the old "Ansom pulls another game winner out his ass" happening again and again and again, but the revelation that Erfworld WAS Parson's game and he was going to cheat made everything clear.
There was NOTHING in the story that was not foreshadowed over and over, even if we didn't realize at the time it was being foreshadowed. I am perfectly satisfied that the authors treated us right and dealt fairly with their audience. And that is coming from someone who was complaining BITTERLY right here in the forums about how Ansom was just too lucky for his own good after the whole dance-fighting thing.
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Things to consider;
It's reasonably likely that the Uncroaked Volcano destroyed the city of Gobwin Knob entirely. It would probably remain a potential capital site, but would not belong to any side, and the process of restoring a capital site into a functioning city is implied to be expensive in Jillian's conversation with Ansom. Thus, it's possible that Stanley and Co. are barbarians and Gobwin Knob remains unclaimed even if Scarlett miraculously survived (and I'm not calling that one either way), because the hex she's occupying no longer constitutes a city.
It's unlikely that Jack would be sufficient to mask any attempts to discreetly rebuild, since his antagonists are abundantly aware that Stanley has the services of a Master-Class Foolamancer and would investigate thoroughly.Praise me not for my born strengths, but for what I make of them.
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That raises an interesting question: What if he disband one or more caster from the trimancer while they r still linked? The others are automaticaly disbanded as well? Or they just get booped by an sudden link-break backlash? Or none of the above?
I wouldn't like to see that but I got a bit curious now.
PS: And my understanding, because of this, is that if a unit is disbanded it cease to exist, kaput baby*remember, english is not my mother language, heck, it's not even my aunt language, well maybe my 3rd degree cousin language
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Yes, of course, it was explicitely trying to cheat, I realize that. I was commenting less on the comic itself more as I was analyzing the fan reaction. Back when Ansom was "cheating" and pulling solutions to plans out of nowhere and working around the rules, many people complained bitterly about the use of "Deus ex Machina" and attacked the writing, but there's no such criticism when the characters they like do something even more absurd. Again, not being critical (not at this part anyway), just observing.
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When the Archons fragged everything in the courtyard and started up the giant DDR display, people complained "We didn't know they could do that, is that allowed in the rules?" Well, we didn't know that Wanda could whip up a perfect veil anytime she wanted either. The difference, of course, is that this time the fans like the character who benefited, so there's no criticism of the writing this time. Just to be clear, not neccesarily criticizing people's reactions, but wanting to understand them.
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And besides, people will look past the flaws of really vile characters like Stanley and Wanda to see the depth and sympathetic qualities they have, so why can't they do that for someone like Ansom? The only thing that makes the GK characters more sympathetic than the coalition is that they're on the same side as our protagonist.
Now it's no secret that the comic creators set this dynamic up on purpose. They create a conflict where one side is the historical aggressor but has now been put in a highly vulnerable defender position. They populate that side with "monsters" such as goblins, trolls, and dragons, but then weave a few sympathetic characters (who are very put-upon) into the mix, and then they give us a couple of characters who are pretty repulsive but include some hints that there might be more to them than meets the eye (for example, what is Stanley really IS the Chosen One? Would that excuse his megalomania?). On the other side we've got traditinal "good guy" kinds of characters, helped along by "good" fantasy creatures, elves, griffons, treants, and such, but then suggest that those characters might have ulterior motives, and on top it they bicker and politic in a rather petty way (I always liked Vinny for the presense of the anamalous "vampire" amidst all the cutesy fantasy beasts). Then, just to throw the balance totaly out of whack, they put our hapless hero on the "bad" team and then throw the whole thing together and watch what happens.
The idea was to create a conflict where both sides were sympathetic and reasonably easy to identify with, where the reader wouldn't neccesarily be sure who they wanted to win and where fans could debate the "correct" outcome. To a degree, that worked, but for the most part fan support on the forums was a landslide for Gobwin Knob. But, as I've pointed out, a distinct double standard is often employed to that end. Cheating is "okay" for Parson but illicits rage when his opponents did it. Arrogant behavior from some character is acceptable but off-putting in others. How to account for this discrepancy? My theory is just that it's an issue with the fan base instead of the comic itself, that certain pop culture trends (which I've babbled on about at length in the past), the nature of the kind of fan who posts on message boards, and the kneejerk reaction to side wth the main character unbalanced the equation. But I'm open to the idea that there's something in the comic itself that accounted for it. What that might be I don't know, but I'm sure someone out there is willing to chime in.
The other possibility, that I've mischaracterized Mr. Balder's writing entirely and that we were meant to hate the RCC, has been suggested, but I don't really believe it. That old "Let's make the good guys into the bad guys and then we'll seem edgey!" schtick is old hat and a little amateurish for Erfworld, which has proven to be a surprisingly layered and complex story.
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But ah, you might say, we know thanks to the outcome of the battle that victory was NOT impossible (and in fact, Parson could have "won" the way he did pretty much anytime he wanted to, or at least anytime after he had a rudimentary grasp of how Erfworld magic worked). But we also know that Parson basically cheated to win (or at least abused the rules. This volcano trick is the sort of thing that would get banned from competitive play if Erfworld were a real game). But the enchantment was something that operated within the rules. Would the enchantment then punish him for not trying to cheat to win? It seems unlikely, but then, I suppose it's possible, since Parson's very presence in Erfworld shows that the Summon Perfect Warlord spell does not work the same way normal spells do, so who knows what crazy **** it might do.
So it wasn't a sure thing one way or the other. But this is less about what Parson did or did not have to do and more abot how he felt about it. As I've mentioned, the story clearly offers a moral crisis, but Parson never seemed to let that matter cross his mind, even when he saw Sizemore struggling with it. Misty's death impressed on him the very real consequences of "gaming" in Erfworld (btw, is it obnoxious when I keep using quotation marks like that? It feels like it might be), but even thereafter he never seems to think about the consequences of his actions, the people who die as a result of his orders. Of course, as is always the case in war, pragmatism and a "Them or me" mentality pushes him to act regardless of how he feels, but I would think that he would at least once be depicted hesistating, weighing the consequences, showing something resembling remorse or regret. Normal people aren't built to handle the horrors of war or the terrible responsibilities of command, they often strain and snap when faced with the irrevocability of death. But Parson doesn't.
This is all just observation. The important part is to consider why this matters (or if it does. I gather from your post that you might say it doesn't, which is your entitled opinion. But it doesn't make for much to discuss, so I'm going to go ahead with my point of view). We might conclude that Parson shields himself by thinking about the war like it's a game (which of course it is). This plays into what I consider the major themes of Erfworld, namely, that way that entertainment skews our perception of violence (hence wargaming, dance-fighting, "booping" censorship, etc), and the matter of free will and ultimate responsibility. Most characters in the comic, from Stanley right on down to the lowliest RCC foot soldier, believe that they're acting on the orders and behalf of some kind of higher power, be that the Titans or their immediate commander. Some characters are slaves, some are conscripts, some have been enchanted, some are following orders from a king or a military commander, some believe they're fulfilling their divine destiny, while others are slaves in a more abstract sense, to their ambition, to their past, to their view of the world, etc. And some are just mindless Uncroaked. In one sense they're all people with free will, but they're also just pieces in a game (with Loyalty scores no less) being moved around by higher powers. Do these characters bear real responsibility for their actions?
And what about Parson? Is he a part of the game, a pawn just like the others, or is he one of the higher powers (notice the ambiguity of whether he is or is not Erfworld's creator via his homebrew wargame)? Does he lead the fight because he's forced to, because it's his competitive nature, or because he's the Chief Warlord, and he's filling his role in the game just like anyone? Does one interpretation or the other change our perception of the morality of his actions? These are the kinds of questions that Erfworld poses on a thematic level.
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Does Parson's indifference to the fates of the RCC characters also account for the board fans' indifference?
Like I said earlier (waaaaay the **** up there), it seems like the urge to identify with Parson just outweighed all the other factors in the majority of people's minds. So does the spill over into these thorny moral questions too?
Now of course, I realize that by analyzing people's reactions I'm playing with fire more than usual. Someone is going to respond with a "Hey, I don't care about Ansom and the Coalition because they were douches and because I just like Parson, why is that so ****ing hard to understand?" And yeah, people's individual reactions and opinions are of course subjective and ephemeral. But this is less about individual people and more about the broad trends and the marked popularity of some characters over others. When a majority of people overwhelmingly feel one way instead of the other, there's got to be a reason for that. "Ansom was a douche" doesn't account for it, because, well, so was Stanley, but Stanley seems the more popular character, so why?
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You're right that none of this is unusual in the context of war, but war isn't something Parson is used to. A lot of people in his position would have done the same thing, but most of the would have felt worse about it than he seems to.
One final thought: Unless the pliers weird magic has caused them to fly or teleport to some unexpected locale (which wouldn't be that surprising), they're shortly going to be buried under a quarter mile or so of lava rock. Probably gonna need a good Dirtamancer to find them and dig them out again...Last edited by TamLin; 2009-04-03 at 01:29 AM.
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Page 83, last panel
Jillian mentions her purse that contained a little more than 1700 shmuckers she spent on a Thinkagram to Ansom.
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Why does it surprise anyone that the hotheaded barbarian warrior princess responds by pulling a stabbing implement? She seems to be overreacting; but maybe it's more about lashing out or simple denial.
I don't think that there's any question that there were no survivors: all field units lost simultaneously in a "trap" covering multiple hexes. RCC thinkamancers would have had more information if there were any surviving units from those that were in GK. Caesar specifically said that this was not the case.
Presumably the pliers are indestructible, but they are likely well buried. Yes, the redhead could have miraculously survived, but it isn't what I'd bet on. She would have had to move incredibly rapidly and have a lot of luck to make it out of the inner courtyard and, basically, off the whole mountain.. I don't think anyone makes it out "alive," even golems.
I think the city is completely obliterated: Parson did make it impossible for GK to be taken, though it meant wiping it off the face of the table. Parson made his stand and did his duty. He saw it through to the end. Whatever else happens, despite the same twists and turns that did to him what he was going to to as a GM to his players, he found his Kobayashi Maru escape.
(Now I'm trying to figure out a clever way of thumbing my nose at all those who been complaining that casters are overpowered so long ago... haha)
(The cast page is gone?)
To whoever asked if the casters become "barbarians" or not, that is precisely the terms that Parson used here.Quo vadis?
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He did mroe then that. He said the coalition was disbanded. The coalition did not disband when Ansom died, and that was before the volcano.
Disbanding of that nature means only one thing: There was no leadership left to keep it together. It's possible some seige units and heavies survived and were disbanded on outer hexes, but anybody who could be in charge is gone. that tells us something. Cause if the higher stat and level units didn't make it.../co/ is love.
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Hey, this is my first post, so if I end up repeating common knowledge, ignore me. To answer your question, try these two comics:
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0048.html
Specifically, the "Overlord sets production orders for all cities" bit.
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0032.html
The second panel where Stanley says, "I can end you with a thought, y'know."
Together they imply that when an Overlord directly disbands a unit, the unit in question ceases to exist rather than becoming a Barbarian. I get the odd feeling that its said more explicitly in the comic somewhere, but I don't feel like looking any further.
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So, just found this comic; it's great.
Anyways, read most of this thread, and there's something I don't think anyone has mentioned yet.
I think that it is entirely possible that in the latest page, Jillian is not about to stab Caesar, but rather herself. The evidence is mostly ambiguous, but if you look at the picture where she's yelling, the "speed lines" seem to indicate she's rushing forward. however, if you look at her body posture, that doesn't seem to be the case. I think that this is a top-down shot of her yelling upwards.
Also, the vampires. If you look at the last panel, you may notice that in comparison to the seventh panel, Caesar seems to have moved away from the other vampires. Towards Jillian, in fact.
So yeah, weak case; but just about as good as any other interpretation, I think. Oh, and add onto all of this the fact that she was in love with Ansom, and her rather volatile personality; not evidence, certainly, but perhaps corroboration.
On an unrelated note, I think Scarlett is alive. Mainly because she is the only one not on fire in the midst of the eruption. Dunno why, but the arkenpliers seem to have some effect on uncroaked; maybe even if it's an uncroaked piece of terrain, or the damage dealt thereof.
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there are only a few sides to the RCC that can be concidered their own "side", remember, the various elf brands form longstanding alliances and have no royals or lands of their own, just like the gobwins. so they're talking about Jetstone, Hobbittm, Foxmud, Sofaking and unaroyal. (TV is not a member of the RCC anymore and I doubt charlie will be forthcoming or that they'd concider him an ally given what he did to them) He gets through to Jetstone and unaroyal calls them so he probably either talked to one other member of the RCC, either foxmud sofaking or hobbittm to get confirmation on this info
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RIDY, phah. I'm a proud member of the Scarlet Is Not Dead Yet (SINDY) club.
Weeelll ... my other pet theory that I've launched here is that Parson won't be on the side of Stanley by the end of this book.
I now see two ways that this could happen: Stanley disbands Parson for wrecking GK (and for not affording him now anyway) OR Stanley disbands him because he allowed one unit from the former RCC (guess who) to capture GK thus denying Stanley the turn income.
We don't, after all, have the full picture of what happened at GK, and as I've said, until I see the remains etc etc.The whole point of this is lost if you keep it a secret.
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A big difference between Ansom cheating and Parson cheating: one of those two characters is an outsider who perceive Erfworld and its rules as a game; the other character has lived there all his life and perceive everything as fully normal; plus it's shown he has a strong traditionalist slant.
So when one thinks outside the box and come up with the unexpected, it's fully in-character for Parson but out of character for Ansom.
1. Parson has never been depicted as being a nice human being. He's introduced as a lardass loser who simply doesn't care about life and would rather live in an escapist fantasy. And he gets his wish fulfilled.
2. Snapping from the strain? The easiest way to deal with having to kill enemies is to dehumanize them. That's why the military uses euphemisms such as "collateral damage" rather than "civilian deaths" or "casualty" rather than "kill".
3. The Erfling's lack of free will plays a big role. Bogroll's answer stunned Parson and was a turning point for him to get back to treating Erflings as units rather than as people.*
4. Ruthlessness.
* You commented about violence in media; you have surely noticed that it's always more okay to kill clones, robots or zombies -- people who, no matter how human they might look, aren't real humans -- than to kill normal people? That was the whole point of the Stormtroopers' voices being retconned into being the same as Jango Fett after the prequels were made, so that you'd know they're merely clones and thus not real humans so it's okay if the good guys slaughter them by the thousands.
You can bet there were much more people living onboard the Death Star than crewing the Rebel base on Yavin IV's moon. The moral choice for Luke would have to let the Empire win so that fewer people would end up orphan/widow/widower this day.
I disagree. In a very recent page, units have been croaked by a 4chan bomb. If that's not a punchline, I don't know what is. And in a very early page, you have a poignant moment with a big patchwork teddy bear mourning his dead comrade.
You've got cute little people looking like children's toys that kill each other gruesomely and it's sometime funny, sometime not. That has been there since the beginning.Hark! An avatar drawn by Kate Beaton!
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1) I don't think it's out of character for Jillian to attack the leader of the people who seem to now be intent on holding her hostage instead of actually doing something.
2) Red isn't the new chief warlord of the Jet Stone side. In the strip it says everyone contacted confirms all units lost to a single trap action. It wouldn't be all units if a unit survived would it? If the eruption was capable of killing unit in other hexes groundzero is unsurvivable.
3) Seems like we have confirmation that only Chief Warlord's & Overlords can claim new sites. It's also confirmed there are specifically sites that are for Capitals. Capital sites and other city sites seem to be linked in some way... the way its phrased in the strip makes it sound like claiming the capital site is the most important part of it, above and beyond getting the other sites. Maybe some city sites are linked to the capital site so taking control of the capital site gives control of the others immediately too?
4) Thinkamancers seem to be more common then any other caster so far. The odds of rolling a thinkamancer randomly on a table must be slim and its clear how important a thinkamancer is to a side given the lack of modern forms of communication... i'd say it lends weight to hte theory that you can just pop a caster and order it to become a certain kind of caster irrespective of where it's true casting strengths lie.
Seems like we'll soon be discovering more details about what happened to King Banhammer etc :) Using Caesar to nudge the story in that direction makes a ton of sense given we know Jillian isn't interested in going there at all AND we know that he was skeptical about Stanley showing up.. at the time his motivation for coming was delightfully ambiguous :)
Random Speculation - I'd find it hilarious if Jillian ended up working with Parson at some point in the future, not knowing he was the one that gave the order to croak her Beau :)GENERATION 19: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig and add 1 to the generation. This is a social experiment.
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Re: Erfworld 151 - tBfGK - 138
Wow. Lots of discussion above. . . And furthermore, lots of Intelligent, civil discussion. I'm applauding the participants now.
Anyway, just to toss my few thoughts into the brew. . . I feel that as Parson left, he changed the nature of Erfworld, just as surely as he changed it when he entered Erfworld. . .
*** Speculative nature ahead***
What if the nature of Jillian's attempted stabbity is the beginning of Real Time combat for Erfworld?
The activation of a long dormant volcano - multihex trap - 3-caster linkup power spell is likely a world changing event. The event of Parson's desummoning, possibly also reality altering. . .
What if he broke the Turn-based conventions. . . Who better to use that to their benefit (Or discover it's existence) than Jillian?
Anyway, great comic. I'll be here all week. . . Not hitting refresh (Be nice to the servers (^_^) and getting nervous.
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2009-04-03, 04:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Erfworld 151 - tBfGK - 138
Silly question.
Uncroaked volcano. It is classified as unit or not?
I think that it is unit like any uncroaked thing or golems made from dirtomancy.
Then even if all golems and garnison units are dead and Red survived Gobwin Koob is untakable.
You must first deafet Uncroaked Volcano ot wait as it degenerated and die.
If UV is unit then Stanley still control Gobwin Koob.
And control treasury and have incom (propably small or almost zero but still).
Also until UV is dead any of Coalition unit dont have chance to take city.
This is possible I think.
Proud member Red isnt dead yet Club.
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2009-04-03, 04:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-04-03, 05:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Erfworld 151 - tBfGK - 138
Why else would her hand cross to that side of her body? that's not the normal posture of someone just taking a step forward.
She's not brandishing it, but the hand that is holding the weapon isn't visible in panel 10 at all, which is interesting because in the next panel she has the knife in hand... considering the pose with her reaching across her body earlier on I'd say it is pretty clear she unsheathed the knife in panel 9.
I think the problem is with your perception of time based on the panels, all the action within it took place in less then 1 min.. probably only 20 secs.
Sorry you werent convinced, you are a renowned skeptic tho so im not surprised :)
Seems to me she has a problem with what he's saying... and like you said she kills problems :)
Why are so many people missing Vinnie's hand in that final panel? i mean its RIGHT THERE *point* lookie!
Vinnie was able to stop her because he knows her well enough to guess what her reaction would be, if this isn't enough of a confirmation that Jillian is acting in character i don't know what would be.
Read back through the comic, check http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0057.html She pulled a weapon on Webinar when she didn't like hearing what he had to say. Her actions now aren't a surprise at all.Last edited by MattR; 2009-04-03 at 05:08 AM.
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