I need a plus 2 template (3.5)

[ScionofImperius]

i need a plus 2 template for a monk, that can be combined with githzerai. I am currently considering half fey, as weird as that is, but am looking for something a little better. thanks in advance

[monty]

How about Dark (the Lords of Madness version)? It can make you go crazy fast, among other things.

[ScionofImperius]

what template is dark? it is in LoM?

[Keld Denar]

Dark is in Tome of Magic and is +1. Shadow is in Lords of Madness (pg 167-168) Both are good. Shadow is REALLY good.

I love Gravetouched Ghoul (Libris Mortis, the Book of Bad Latin) as a +2 template. It has good all around ability buffs, the Undead subtype, natural weapons, and a ZOMGTASTIC paralysis attack that is based off your Cha. Great for any high Cha character like a Hexblade or evil Pally variant.

[monty]

Dark is in Tome of Magic and is +1. Shadow is in Lords of Madness (pg 167-168) Both are good. Shadow is REALLY good.

Shadow, that's the one I was thinking of. My mistake.

[Chronos]

So far as I know, there are five templates which are generally considered to be worth their LA:
Dark (Tome of Magic): Huge stealth bonuses, including Hide in Plain Sight, for 1 LA.
Feral (Savage Species): Fast healing and natural attacks, among other benefits, for 1 LA.
Mineral Warrior (Races of Stone): DR/adamantium and a big Con boost, among other benefits, for 1 LA
Half-Minotaur (Dragon issue 313): Large size and insane stat boosts, for 1 LA. This is generally suspected to be in error.
Phrenic (Expanded Psionics Handbook): Power resistance and a bunch of psi-like abilities that scale with level, for 2 LA.

Shadow probably would be worth it, but Dark gives you close to the same benefits for half the price. And Phrenic unfortunately can't be added to a creature that's already psionic, so Githzerai is out.

[wadledo]

I'd consider Gravetouched Ghoul as one too, seeing as how it's possibly the best template for making sentient undead ever.

[DownwardSpiral]

Saint? In book of exalted deeds? Unless you don't like the whole lawful stupid bit. But your dm might relax it a weeeeeee bit.

[sonofzeal]

Saint? In book of exalted deeds? Unless you don't like the whole lawful stupid bit. But your dm might relax it a weeeeeee bit.

Probably the strongest +2 template ever printed. Restrictions ("must never ever ever have done anything evil ever") are rather harsh. Still, it's omg-good.

[Sstoopidtallkid]

Probably the strongest +2 template ever printed. Restrictions ("must never ever ever have done anything evil ever") are rather harsh. Still, it's omg-good.

Eh, not really. There's ways of breaking it, but generally you get similar benefits from class levels, plus, you know, HP.

[DownwardSpiral]

Eh, not really. There's ways of breaking it, but generally you get similar benefits from class levels, plus, you know, HP.

True. Although not a lot beats it. But yeah, you could get more from class levels. Although he asked for a +2 template so eh. =D

[ScionofImperius]

DM just nixed saint. perhaps more background information is necessary. He is running a game in which all characters must have a plus 4 level adjustment, and a total level of 11. there are 7 or 8 players, so core should be covered. i want something interesting, not just a half celestial. I started with half fae githzerai for the plus 8 to dex, but most of the fae abilities are overcome by the class i chose (monk). Any suggestions?

[DownwardSpiral]

From Chronos,

Half-Minotaur (Dragon issue 313): Large size and insane stat boosts, for 1 LA. This is generally suspected to be in error

I'd suggest this. Seems you should be alright not taking hits, considering there should be 7 other people. Might need a bit of help in the damage department I assume?

Also.....half fey half minotaur. You cannot unsee.

[The Glyphstone]

It'll definitely be said again, but are you completely set on the monk as a class? It honestly is a very weak class, and its archtype as the unarmed kung-fu master warrior is done better by both the Psychic Warrior and the Swordsage.

[woodenbandman]

I say go for Feral. Great wisdom boost, good strength boost, natural weapons, scaling abilities, lots of extra jazz. if you add Dark onto that from Tome of Magic, you have a superfast superstrong monk who might actually turn out to be useful.

[Chronos]

Also.....half fey half minotaur. You cannot unsee.

But if you're part fey, you can unseelie.

[Biffoniacus_Furiou]

Shadow Creature is exceptionally good, though you may want to go with two +1 LA templates instead. Mineral Warrior is just amazing, considering the DR, burrow speed, and natural armor bonus, which help offset the slight Wisdom penalty. Other strong +1 LA templates include Draconic from the Draconomicon, Blooded and Shadow-Walker from Unapproachable East, and Feral from Savage Species.

[Maltore]

I have always really liked the winged template for my monks (Savage Species).

Your fly speed is your land speed +20, so your monk gets even faster, your manoeuverability is perfect (if not, you're doing something wrong with your stats), so you can hover in the air while flurrying, and you get +4 dex and +2 wis.

I know, not the most "OMG-über!" +2 LA template, but definitely nice.

[Draken]

I prefer insectile myself. For +2 LA you get Four extra arms, tremorsense, all-around vision, darkvision, the aberration type, a climb speed and the same ability score adjustments as winged (that is, +4 Dex and +2 Wis).

I think this one would be cool on a monk.

Having six arms can be all sorts of twisted.

[Typewriter]

Theres a template called shade from forgotten realms that has two listings.

One of them is in the main book, and the other is in races of faerun or some such. One lists it as +2 and all it's powers only work in the dark. The other lists it as +4 but lists no restrictions.

It gets:
SR
Small stat boosts
Shadow Jump 300 ft/2 rounds @ level 8
Invisibility at will
Light control w/in 100 ft.
Bonus to speed
+4 deflection AC
+2 to hit and damage
Fast healing
Shadow image 3x day (mirror image)
Teleport or planeshift 1/day @ level 12
+4 luck to all saves

As I said most, if not all only work in the shadows if you go by the rules from the main faerun book, and it's listed as LA+2

Forgotten Realms campaign setting page 314

[Bugbeartrap]

Another nifty +1 template is Lolth Touched from MM4 I. Nets you immunity to fear (always sexy) and +6 to STR and +6 to CON (helps your MAD).

Although if you want to pile on the crazy, you could go Half-Giant (+1 LA) for psionic power points and go psychic warrior as was mentioned above. You even get Powerful build out of it. A Dark Feral Lolthtouched Halfgiant Psychic warrior would be scary.

Or go Dark (+1 Tome of Magic) Feral (+1) Lolthtouched (+1) Chameleon (+1 Underdark) Whispergnome (+0 Races of Stone) unarmed swordsage (Tome of Battle) and NOBODY WOULD EVER SEE YOU! Thats at least a +30 bonus to hide at level 1 (+4 from small, +4 from Whispergnome, +8 from Dark, +10 from Chameleon, +4 from Lolthtouched). From Feral and Dark you'd increase your speed. Needless to say, go shadowhand. I think the ninja like stuff you could pull would make up for the decrease damage of your small gnomish hands. Use a ki channeling weapon anyway.

[Keld Denar]

Feral Mineral Warrior Anything Monk2/PsyWarX with Monastic Training and Tashalatora (from Secrets of Sarlona) would be freakin amazing. Yea, the wisdom hit would suck, but you could make it up with the other +2 LA you have coming. The claws you get + Claws of the Beast augmented + Vampiric Claws + Expansion...RAWR.

[herrhauptmann]

Half vampire from Libris Mortis is meh, unless you're evil. Then take blood-drain and it's better.
But you can't be an outsider (which should exclude tieflings, genasi, etc).
There's several versions of half-ogre floating around that you might want to look at.
Feral is ungodly powerful I think.
The elemental templates from I think it's Manual of the Planes (Earth, fire wind water, wood, shadow) are all +1 or +2.

[SoD]

Another nifty +1 template is Lolth Touched from MM4 I. Nets you immunity to fear (always sexy) and +6 to STR and +6 to CON (helps your MAD).

Only you can't apply it to a monk, as you apply it to any non-good non-lawful creature, and it becomes CE.

[mostlyharmful]

White Dragonspawn from the Dragonlance setting is good for anything, +1LA for wings, cold immunity, breath weapon, minor stat boosts, +7 Nat Armour and a exploding death rattle, you wind up mindbound to a big bad dragon but that can be fun too. Oh, and a level of Sorc casting which is damn useful for a monk.

[Typewriter]

I personally no longer allow feral in my campaigns. I did away with that book completely as I'm fairly certain it was considered a 3.0 book. Isn't that why it doesn't add up to MM entries, and it still uses the old methodology for DR?

[Starscream]

Also.....half fey half minotaur. You cannot unsee.

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[Eldariel]

I personally no longer allow feral in my campaigns. I did away with that book completely as I'm fairly certain it was considered a 3.0 book. Isn't that why it doesn't add up to MM entries, and it still uses the old methodology for DR?

Yeah, Savage Species is 3.0. Feral is also "broken" in the sense that the bonuses are way too high for +1 LA for melee characters (and obviously useless to casters) - I've run a Feral character in my game before, but I cut most bonuses in half and that didn't hurt him at all.

[monty]

I personally no longer allow feral in my campaigns. I did away with that book completely as I'm fairly certain it was considered a 3.0 book. Isn't that why it doesn't add up to MM entries, and it still uses the old methodology for DR?

Not to say that you're necessarily wrong for banning it, but by RAW at least, 3.0 materials are still valid unless they were updated in a later book.

[Draken]

Half vampire from Libris Mortis is meh, unless you're evil. Then take blood-drain and it's better.
But you can't be an outsider (which should exclude tieflings, genasi, etc).
There's several versions of half-ogre floating around that you might want to look at.
Feral is ungodly powerful I think.
The elemental templates from I think it's Manual of the Planes (Earth, fire wind water, wood, shadow) are all +1 or +2.

No. They adjust CR by +1 or +2.

The elemental creature templates in the manual of the planes do not list Level Adjustment, but they were reprinted in the Planar Handbook somewhere else (just checked the planar handbook and didn't find them), and there they have level adjustments that go from +2 (Wood) to +5 (Air), most are +4.