Avatar Battle Royale-Discussion Thread XXI: We're a Big, Happy, Dysfunctional Family

[Nameless]

Except for the fact that ABR is neither steampunk nor spacepunk

Or Punk for that matter.

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Da-da-da-daaa! Mediator Gremlin to the rescue!
The way I see it, this can be solved fairly easily, if people agree with me. Avbaroy has many futuristic weapons, and it has space (ship) whales, and robot aliens. As such, this would give it the label 'Sci-Fi'. However, it also has magic, and dragons. I would like to point out, though, that we often give 'physics' to the magic and stuff, thanks to MM. Not that this makes much difference, but all the same. Given that it has advanced weapons, and advanced technology in general, I call it steampunk. Steampunk isn't pure Sci-Fi, but rather a label for advanced technology. Or is it spacepunk? *shrug*
Anyways, steampunk/spacepunk fantasy seems about right.
Also, Keveak, clearly you are misinformed. There's a book, can't remember the title, in which a bunch of kids from our time stop an alien invasion (with help, of course). There are fantasy creatures, incidentally, but if there had not been, it would be Sci-Fi. Even though it happens in present-day time. Nanoseconds make no difference. It has to be a substantial difference to be 'the future'.

One of the main requirements for steampunk is that everything happens on earth. So no space travels, no space ships....it aplies for cyberpunk too...

[Lemming]

Or Punk for that matter.

Y'all have been PUNK'ED!

[Mad Mask]

I don't see why we need different genres for fantasy with different technology levels. Some happen in Roman-like types, some in Dark Ages-like times, and other in Futuristic-like times.

[Szilard]

It's not alternate history if it is happening "now."
Just because there is "advanced technology" doesn't mean it can't happen in the present.

To continue what I mean, say there is an alien invasion. It could technically be happening in the present, but by the "rules" keveak mentioned, it would not be sci-fi.

I will stop talking now.

[Lemming]

I don't see why we need different genres for fantasy with different technology levels. Some happen in Roman-like types, some in Dark Ages-like times, and other in Futuristic-like times.

We don't. Some sub-genres relate to the kind of technology though. You could have steampunk in the Medieval times (that would be cool) although steampunk is usually associated with Victorian times.

[Lyinginbedmon]

How about everyone just agrees with what they personally believe is the right genre and we stop arguing for pages on end what is, between us all, the right answer?

ABR's genre: It has one.

[Mina Kobold]

To continue what I mean, say there is an alien invasion. It could technically be happening in the present, but by the "rules" keveak mentioned, it would not be sci-fi.

I will stop talking now.

By what I know of the word present then it could be set in the present days (which means it aint too far from the actual time) but not in the actual present even that word was writen in the past (not long into the past but still in the past) I don't say that stuff can't happen at about the same time as the book/movie is made just that it has to be at least a little into the past or future (It would be fun to write a story that starts two minutes ago but makes a time skip after one minute to 2012 just to see what genre people think that is) maybe you use another version of the word "present" than me? care to explain what it cover? The one I use is that present is in the exact moment as it happens (if you stopped time then it would remain present but otherwise it would continue into the future which then becomes present as it happen, then it becomes past when over) not exact minute or anything like that.

[Nameless]

Y'all have been PUNK'ED!

ABR's genre: It has one.

Which one?

[Mina Kobold]

How about everyone just agrees with what they personally believe is the right genre and we stop arguing for pages on end what is, between us all, the right answer?

ABR's genre: It has one.

Why not say it's a mix (new gennres get's mixed all the time, I'm starting to think that it's pointless since you can just call everything a new genre or sub-genre) then it doesn't need to follow every rule that someone somewhere (like that guy who think Robin Hood is a dog) has made about the individual genres.

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How about everyone just agrees with what they personally believe is the right genre and we stop arguing for pages on end what is, between us all, the right answer?

ABR's genre: It has one.

But that would stop the discussion

[T-O-E]

(like that guy who think Robin Hood is a dog)

Wait what?

I laughed.

[Elder Tsofu]

Which one?

Chellu'chlid

[Mina Kobold]

Chellu'chlid

Is that from Call of Chutulhu or something?

[The Gremlin]

It can be solved pretty easily if people agree with me too.

No. This gives it the label "Science Fantasy".

You clearly have no idea what steampunk is. Steampunk is Spec-Fic or Fantasy set in worlds with widely used steam power, and often includes more advanced technology than common in that setting, but powered by steam or similar.


Except for the fact that ABR is neither steampunk nor spacepunk.

Keris, has it ever occurred to you how amazingly condescending you can be when you argue? It's a bit rude, to say the least.
First, no, it would be Sci-Fi. Different planet, aliens, robots, cyborgs...that is Sci-Fi. The other stuff makes it Sci-Fan, and that remains to be seen.
Second, I never claimed to know what steampunk meant, but there is one tiny hole in your argument: technically, Lokutus uses steam-powered things. Just saying.
Anyways, I side with MM's argument, but it needs a better name, as Schizotec isn't the only high-tech nation, and there are aliens. I also agree with him that Sci-Fi is way too unclear in its definition. How about 'Tech-Fan'?

[Mina Kobold]

Keris, has it ever occurred to you how amazingly condescending you can be when you argue? It's a bit rude, to say the least.
First, no, it would be Sci-Fi. Different planet, aliens, robots, cyborgs...that is Sci-Fi. The other stuff makes it Sci-Fan, and that remains to be seen.
Second, I never claimed to know what steampunk meant, but there is one tiny hole in your argument: technically, Lokutus uses steam-powered things. Just saying.
Anyways, I side with MM's argument, but it needs a better name, as Schizotec isn't the only high-tech nation, and there are aliens. I also agree with him that Sci-Fi is way too unclear in its definition. How about 'Tech-Fan'?

Aare we making anABR genre now? Cool. What about something like Varied Magi-Tech (we have steam tech-high-tech medieval-tech and hell lotta other tech levels)

[Lemming]

ABR's genre: It has one.

The whatever-the-heck-you-want-it-to-be genre?

[Mad Mask]

I said Schizotech, not Schizotec. It means it is a fantasy with a mixture of all technology levels.

[Nameless]

Abr Genre shall now be known as the Nameless Genre.

[Mina Kobold]

I said Schizotech, not Schizotec. It means it is a fantasy with a mixture of all technology levels.

I vote for that then (sounds fancier than my idea bu means the same)

[Keris]

Keris, has it ever occurred to you how amazingly condescending you can be when you argue? It's a bit rude, to say the least.

Yeah, I've been working on changing it, but I just find it frustrating when people don't bother to check their facts. I try personally, and end up browsing with Wikipedia and Wiktionary permanently open in different tabs.

First, no, it would be Sci-Fi. Different planet, aliens, robots, cyborgs...that is Sci-Fi. The other stuff makes it Sci-Fan, and that remains to be seen.

The presence of space whales and robot aliens has no basis in modern science, hence it is not science fiction. It is based on pure conjecture, so has strong fantasy elements. Sci-Fan was actually the wrong term, it's more Spec-Fic.

Second, I never claimed to know what steampunk meant, but there is one tiny hole in your argument: technically, Lokutus uses steam-powered things. Just saying.

I have no idea who "Lokutus" and google was unhelpful here. And if you intendto use the term steampunk, you should make sure you know what it means.

Anyways, I side with MM's argument, but it needs a better name, as Schizotec isn't the only high-tech nation, and there are aliens. I also agree with him that Sci-Fi is way too unclear in its definition. How about 'Tech-Fan'?

Schizo Tech is a recognised term, from which the nation of Schizotec draws its name. And "Technological Fantasy" seems awfully close to "Science Fantasy".

[BRC]

Technofantasty (Tech-Fan) sounds good, because it has the correct implications, but no prior meaning.

[Keris]

Technofantasty (Tech-Fan) sounds good, because it has the correct implications, but no prior meaning.

Really? The internet begs to differ.

And to me, a technofantasy setting is one with the primary focus on advanced tech, like P3 or possibly FI. FFF isn't tech-fan, but Fantasy with Sci-Fi elements.

[Mina Kobold]

Yeah, I've been working on changing it, but I just find it frustrating when people don't bother to check their facts. I try personally, and end up browsing with Wikipedia and Wiktionary permanently open in different tabs.

The presence of space whales and robot aliens has no basis in modern science, hence it is not science fiction. It is based on pure conjecture, so has strong fantasy elements. Sci-Fan was actually the wrong term, it's more Spec-Fic.

I have no idea who "Lokutus" and google was unhelpful here. And if you intendto use the term steampunk, you should make sure you know what it means.

Schizo Tech is a recognised term, from which the nation of Schizotec draws its name. And "Technological Fantasy" seems awfully close to "Science Fantasy".

I don't think genre names are supposed to be accurate, scifi is supposed to be future stories (could even be an apocalyptic future where we has gone back to cavemanish technology) not necessary about science (it is often but I'm pretty sure it don't need it) and the name Fantasy... I can't even see why that name....

[Wreckingrocc]

I vote for Schizotech, Nameless, and Omnitech (which really sounds like a less foreign way to say Schizotech).

[Green-Shirt Q]

Ah yes, I'd forgotten the incident with the "Plotaporter". Which, despite P3 being a prequel to F3, doesn't constitute time travel for some reason.

Because it travels through space, not time. It travels beyond the fourth wall to get to the other plot, rather then back in time. No time travel invovled.

And, since P3 is dead and all, I see no reason it couldn't be canon. And because the spaceship has returned and got destroyed in FFF already.

As for genre: We don't need no stinkin' genre! It's unclassafiable, bitches!

[Mad Mask]

I have no idea who "Lokutus" and google was unhelpful here. And if you intendto use the term steampunk, you should make sure you know what it means.

He means Lockutas, an Avbaroy nation who used steam-powered technology prior to the Age of Dragons.

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Abr Genre shall now be known as the Nameless Genre.

Thats surprisingly not as impossible as it should be

[Keris]

Because it travels through space, not time. It travels beyond the fourth wall to get to the other plot, rather then back in time. No time travel invovled.

And, since P3 is dead and all, I see no reason it couldn't be canon. And because the spaceship has returned and got destroyed in FFF already.

But your manoeuvre through space took you to a different point in time. Hence you travelled in time.

And P3 isn't dead. It's pining for the fjords.

Gremlin means Lockutas, an Avbaroy nation who used steam-powered technology prior to the Age of Dragons.

Ah. Well, they're steampunk, yes, but one swallow does not make a summer, and the presence of a small steampunk faction does not make the genre as a whole steampunk.

[Mina Kobold]

But your manoeuvre through space took you to a different point in time. Hence you travelled in time.

And P3 isn't dead. It's pining for the fjords.



Ah. Well, they're steampunk, yes, but one swallow does not make a summer, and the presence of a small steampunk faction does not make the genre as a whole steampunk.

What does pinning for the fjords mean? (I know it must be an expression or something but I don't get it)