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2009-06-10, 10:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Crying baby killed teen?
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Basically dad is saying school shouldn't have done the baby project (where you get the mechanical baby that cries and are graded on how well you care for it). She was only caring for it 12, TWELVE, hours before passing it off from 'feeling tired'.
I'm sorry, she had to have been feeling tired a lot longer than that and/or feeling other stuff. She had a heart condition, to boot. She could have opted out of it.
When I took a class in high school where there was going to be a baby project, my mom and I spoke with my teacher in case it was a mechanical baby. I have epilepsy triggered by sleep deprivation so unless we wanted to risk me having a seizure, I couldn't participate, and my teacher had no problem with that (and assured us they were egg babies).
There are ways to opt out, and parents have to consent in any case. I think this is more a case of coincidence than actual cause.
As someone who has a condition which would possibly be effected by this sort of thing I KNOW there are ways to get out of it.
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2009-06-10, 10:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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*hand*
But I think we should cut him some slack; after all, his daughter did just die.
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2009-06-10, 10:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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*two hands*
If his daughter really did have a medical condition that serious then this should never have been an issue. I know that all teachers at my school were made aware of all serious medical conditions students had at the beginning of each year to avoid things like that in the classroom and otherwise. I'm sorry the girl died but I don't think her parents took the necessary precautions in the first place.Oh, you. You just couldn't let me go, could you? This is what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object. You are truly incorruptible, aren't you? Huh? You won't kill me out of some misplaced sense of self-righteousness. And I won't kill you because you're just too much fun. I think you and I are destined to do this forever. - Joker
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2009-06-10, 10:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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Well, his daughter did just die randomly, so he does need someone to blame.
Other than that, yea, he's overreacting big time.
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2009-06-10, 10:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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*hand*
But I would agree with Flame of Anor: his daughter just died. You probably can't expect him to be thinking with completely clear reason at this time. I don't really agree with the guy, but I feel sorry for him.High School Harem Comedy, my original game system!
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2009-06-10, 10:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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12 hours of work does not make one so exhausted one dies.
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2009-06-10, 10:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Well, that sounds...
Ridiculous.
Only tweleve hours of care?
Sleep deprevation?
Assuming our supposed victim got back from school and recieved the mechanical baby at 1500, that puts the time of return at 0300 (Which, in and of itself, is completely implausable). Also, let's assume that the daughter settled in for bed relativly early to compensate for what she should logically know would interrupt her as she rests and say she racked out at 2000 that would be seven hours between bed time and return time.
I took care of one of those mechanical children for 72 hours in Eighth grade. Seven hours is not a long time, and any reasonable instructor would prgramme the doll so the student could still squeeze in some decent sleep.
Most people can run fine for over twenty four hours after getting six hours of sleep (Although they will, admittidly be very tired afterwards). I do this all the time.
The numbers involved don't add up. Seems to me the father is just attacking the recent stimuli (IE, mechanical baby) instead of seeking a logical reason.NaNoWriMo Beat Me
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*hand*
It said she was studying to be a early years childcare specialist or some such. This was not the typical American high school scare tactic, this was part of /her elective work/. She could not rightfully have "opted out of it" and stayed in that program.
She was feeling tired because she had a serious condition, and having raised her, the father maybe should've thought to take her to hospital.Johann Krauss by Recaiden
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2009-06-10, 11:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Thanatos, if I get less than 7 hours of sleep I am susceptible to having absence seizures. They aren't 'major' (it looks like I'm blanking out for a couple seconds then I come back), but they can cause disruption. Now, if I get less than 7 but don't have to function for a while (can rest and maybe get a cat nap or what not), I'm generally OK. If I get less than 7 but have to function (like at work), it's not good. Having to close then open at my job (close at 10:30, unable to get in bed until 11:30, asleep around 12:30, up at 6:00) triggered the first absence seizure I've had since I was 12.
When one has extenuating conditions (such as my epilepsy or her heart condition), getting less than a certain amount of sleep can be a problem. I'd assume stress from getting less than X amount of sleep could trigger the event but it's definitely not the cause of the event.
ETA: Mercury, you could also say I choose a job where there is quick turnaround with the close-open shifts (everyone is supposed to do them), but even in those situations compromises can be reached. She chose the program, but everyone involved should have been more mindful of her condition.Last edited by Syka; 2009-06-10 at 11:05 AM.
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If you have a condition like this, or indeed any medical condition expet some mental health issues it is your responsibility to manage them. It is very sad that she died, but if 12 hours of contact was enough then there is no way she should have done the project and thus, if necessary, not have done the training at all. She may have wanted to do it, but when has now quite literaly died for the opportunity.
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2009-06-10, 11:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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We had to keep egg babies alive.
I felt bad for a friend because a classmate of hers knocked it off her desk ON PURPOSE as a 'joke' and broke the egg. About an hour before it was due.Show me how pretty the world is
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2009-06-10, 11:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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If it makes you feel better, opted out of the Extra Credit because I don't believe in the concept. Essentially, I did it for the lulz.
I passed the class with stellar marks, anyway.
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2009-06-10, 11:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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I never had to do the egg baby, thank god. My school had too many pregnant teens that I guess they figured it would do more harm than good. I'm not complaining, kids put me in a dreadful mood, especially babies.
For my part, I woulda killed the kid who knocked off that egg. What happened to your friend? I probably woulda let her pass but I'm nice like that..Oh, you. You just couldn't let me go, could you? This is what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object. You are truly incorruptible, aren't you? Huh? You won't kill me out of some misplaced sense of self-righteousness. And I won't kill you because you're just too much fun. I think you and I are destined to do this forever. - Joker
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2009-06-10, 11:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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I think she still passed. Our teacher was really cool about that stuff and I can't imagine her failing my classmate because of some idiot. She let me give my baby a mohawk, name it Sterling Thomas Darling and when it came to the wedding planning, I got to plan an elopement to Vegas. She actually loved my quirky ideas...I think she was tired of all the stereotypical stuff.
That said, I think those mechanical babies are probably one of the worst ideas to do in high school. Want a great anti-baby scare tactic? Show the girls unedited child birth, lol.Show me how pretty the world is
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2009-06-10, 11:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Agreed. It's not a pleasant thing, but you don't get to do something just because it's your dream. A person with this medical condition would not be able to join the army or police force, etc. If her chosen line of work would have been inhibited by her condition, for her safety and they safety of children eventually in her care, she shouldn't have been doing it. I understand what you're saying, Syka, but I somewhat disagree. Schools have a lot of students, each with their own needs. Some responsibility falls on the student and their family to be aware of their own limits
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2009-06-10, 11:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Slight derail--Syka, how do they tell apart mini-seizures from moments of micro-sleep (where you fall asleep for a few seconds at a time) or are they functionally identical and I hadn't got the memo yet?
I did not remain in my first high school long enough to encounter the bag-of-flour baby project. I doubt "dispose of it within the first hour and carry on" would have gotten high marks.
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2009-06-10, 11:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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Oh, I remember those. We had them in 6th grade. I was the only person in the class who kept it alive and didn't smash someone else's. Probably because I cut out a section of egg carton, glued the carton into a metal box, lined it with tissues, and buried it in my backpack.
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No, it was not overkill.
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2009-06-10, 11:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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I'm not sure about the school system in the UK, but around here... If I had a heart problem, or anything that a "Baby Test" could induce, and the school knew about it, I'd never be allowed to participate, even with parental consent. Because the school is liable here... If I'm not mistaken, The school shouldn't have allowed her to do it, given they knew about her condition.
Sad Story though... and...
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2009-06-10, 11:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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I had to do a sleep deprivation study, where I was awake for 24 hours then got hooked up to a machine. It was the only way they were able to identify it definitely. I have a feeling the brain patterns are different between absence seizures and microsleep. I also have a family history of it (my aunt has the same thing) and had another type of epileptic seizure when I was younger (last one of those episodes was at 5).
Mercury, I wasn't blaming the school. I think the babies are idiotic no matter what. But I fully agree the onus is on the family in this case, I wasn't arguing that. As someone with a few things that people need to be aware of and I need to know my limits for, I think it's ridiculous they didn't think about the consequences.Show me how pretty the world is
'Cause I envy the way that you move
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2009-06-10, 11:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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*raises a hand and smacks father on the back of the head*
Plus even if it was not optional you should always put health ahead of class. Always. So I have very little sympathy at all.Avatar by JenZeeSigatar by Me
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2009-06-10, 11:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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*looks about* I don't know nearly enough about it to raise my hand, in this scenario.
So, all I say: Poor girl.
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2009-06-10, 11:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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I agree that this wasn't the school's fault. If a person has a disorder like this that they can reasonably be expected to keep track of, then it is their responsibility (or, if they're a child, their parents') to make sure that no harm comes to them as a result of it. If the school was made aware of this condition they would definitely have allowed her to skip this assignment. The school did nothing wrong, whether or not the activity contributed to this girl's death.
I feel sorry for the girl's father, definitely. I don't agree with what he's doing now.
Wait, what? Have I been doing it wrong?
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Reading through the article, I come to the conclusion that her condition was getting worse on its own anyway. The article gives no indication that the school was even aware of the condition. If she was aware of it (and how could she not have been?), she (and her parents) should have been aware that stress could factor into a dangerous development. Maybe she didn't know that taking care of a newborn is a stressful situation. If she didn't, her death heralds an increase in the average intelligence of the world population. Did she honestly expect to be getting a full night of uninterrupted rest with that thing? I'm sure she was a perfect little child who always slept all through the night and never woke her mommy up, so there was nobody who could tell her what it would be like, right?
Bottom line: If the medical experts can't say definitively that the pseudobaby caused her death, any reasonable judge will throw the case out. I would laugh in the guy's face while doing it, but I'm an evil, misanthropic git.
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2009-06-10, 12:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Wow, that's terrible. I just can't condone what the father's doing though. Most likely, it was a coincidence. I can't access the article right now, but it seems that the girl had a heart condition? I doubt that being awake for 12 hours, or even a while longer than that, would really trigger death. It was most likely just a coincidence. I can't really blame the man for being irrational, though.
I would like to know more about these absence seizures, though. I was looking at some symptoms and stuff. I randomly blank out quite a bit, and afterward it seems like my hearing and eyesight were shut off for a while - all I can remember is darkness and silence. I don't think it's actually a seizure of any kind, it's probably just me being spacey or something, but it still interests me.Last edited by Helanna; 2009-06-10 at 12:11 PM.