MitD - What We Know

[Lamech]

Whats a zodar?

Anyway a Pit fiend has wish, so it could easily be that, and I don't see any real conflicts except the mental ablities, but remeber this guy? And don't forget that rich seems to have upped the powers of his outsiders. I suppose it could be a solar too, but I kind of like pit fiend.

10) no tendency regarding good/evil/law/chaos. (neutral/immature?) here again it would have to be a variation to fit my pit fiend

The thing hangs around Xykon. And does what he says. That sounds lawful or evil to me. So what if he has friends he cares about?

ability to cause an Earthquake (from 477) It could be for the STR

Wish makes everything better. If he has it.

Also aren't in a couple source books even more powerful devils/demons? Could it be one of those?

[Haedrian]

It has the usual teleportation/summoning "Pop!" though. It's got to be it or a wished/revised reality variant ;)

Maybe its part of the illusion?

or a mass suggestion "They have teleported away" ?

[Snake-Aes]

or a mass suggestion "They have teleported away" ?

Lich.
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[pendell]

Do pit fiends eat?

Respectfully,

Brian P.

[DigoDragon]

How for example would you explain that more than one person immediately recognized what it is, while the Snarl is unknown to all but a few?

Maybe when the snarl spawns little baby bits they don't look much like the parent? Or then again if you don't know what the original snarls is, you might mistake the spawn to be some other species of creature?

[Darkhands]

Ever since V teleported to the tower, I hold to my theory about the MitD from 2006 more than ever.

New reasons below, one of them thanks to this thread:

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-If the MitD really is an aspect of the snarl, he could manipulate the strings of reality to remove V and O'Chul from the tower in 661, even if he didn't know he was doing it.

Has been described as "Horrible, and yet so Beautiful".

-What else was described as "so beautiful" in 659?

Face it guys, I'm right! :)

[daggaz]

Anyway a Pit fiend has wish, so it could easily be that, and I don't see any real conflicts except the mental ablities, ..

* Pit fiends do not have parents.
* Pit fiends can speak common, and a slew of other languages, as well as communicate telepathically.(SOD)
* Pit fiends would not be recognized by mid-level adventurers, unless they had travelled in the nine hells, at which point they would either be dead, or really,really high level. (SOD).
* Pit fiends are not renowned for abnormally strong appetites.


Im sure there are more, but really that outta suffice..

[EmeraldPhoenix]

I'm going to list every comic that shows or even mentions MITD, and link to them accordingly. Feel free to do with this what you will.

23
37
47
82
95(mentioned by Redcloak, panel 3)
96
97
103
105
106
109
110
113(Thanks to David Argall.)
114
117
120(Thanks to David Argall.)
147
148
149
190
191
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195
196
259
299
331
368
369
371
373
374
375
376 (mentioned by Redcloak in panel 3)(Thanks to Dziadek )
414
415
422
428
431
447
451
463
474
475
476
477
484
541
543
549
550
651
654
658
661
662
663 (Mentioned Pannel 7 by Haley and O-Chul.)

(If I missed any, please let me know. I will edit the list accordingly.)
(This compilation has been brought to you by Belkar=awsome. Belkar=awsome: misspelling the awesome-ness of Belkar since 2008.)

[sihnfahl]

Do pit fiends eat?

Of course they do.
And I'll forgo the usual devil's food cake joke.

[daggaz]

Something I noticed is that, if the MitD does have the ability to teleport V and O-Chul somehow, be it through Wish or some other means, Xykon apparently doesn't know it. Because if he did, he would have been glaring at the MitD just like the demon roaches. Instead he shouts, "Who stole my kills?" Since Xykon knows what the MitD is, it seems to me like the apparent teleportation either really wasn't him, or is an ability that is not typical of his species.

Or Xykon had his attention (and gaze) focused entirely elsewhere, and as well is renowned for his pathetic attention span..

[Haedrian]

Lich.
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Oh right, immunity to mind effects.

However "Hide from Undead" (1st level cleric spell) would make them invisable, and totally undetectable. Unless O-chul has cleric spells in his repetoire (paladins don't get the spell), maybe MiTD has cleric levels? Or the ability to cast cleric spells?

[Moriarty]

did you go through the entire archive looking vor some yellow dots on black ground?


edith: well you already got the numbers, all you need to do to get the links working is putting an "http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0 before every number and .html after it

[Haedrian]

Ever since V teleported to the tower, I hold to my theory about the MitD from 2006 more than ever.

New reasons below, one of them thanks to this thread:

Spoiler

Show

-If the MitD really is an aspect of the snarl, he could manipulate the strings of reality to remove V and O'Chul from the tower in 661, even if he didn't know he was doing it.



-What else was described as "so beautiful" in 659?

Face it guys, I'm right! :)

While you're making very very valid points - and it all works out well, there's no reason for a creature which kills gods and is bent on utter destruction to befriend and save a paladin's life - a person who's PURPOSE was to keep snarl inside the prison.

Of course it could be snarl, but then why is he taking orders from X ? And what was he doing in a forest ? I don't think there were any other gates opened at the time...

Wait, there's a forest mentioned as a gate location - was that breached anywhere?

Another problem with your theory is that we actually SAW Soon (or rather his aspect as a sacred watcher) - so they can't be the exact same person

[Dork Lord]

Oh right, immunity to mind effects.

However "Hide from Undead" (1st level cleric spell) would make them invisable, and totally undetectable. Unless O-chul has cleric spells in his repetoire (paladins don't get the spell), maybe MiTD has cleric levels? Or the ability to cast cleric spells?

Hide From Undead is a really low level spell, though... so unless the MiTD's Charisma is through the freaking roof, odds are an epic caster like Xykon is going to save against it. No, I think they actually teleported somehow.

[EmeraldPhoenix]

did you go through the entire archive looking vor some yellow dots on black ground?


edith: well you already got the numbers, all you need to do to get the links working is putting an "http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0 before every number and .html after it

thanks.

...done!

[dragonseth]

I pose to the boards this question: could this ability be a Sorcerer spell? If yes, then a dragon could easily be the MitD. The only problem I see is that, as a child, it surely couldn't get spells of high enough level for this. Any thoughts?

[Haedrian]

@Darkhands:

The gate which was in the forest was "Destroyed by a forest fire" caused by redcloak.

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0196.html

So its safe to say that if it is Snarl, he didn't come out of the gate which lead to the forest.

Also X and R were looking for the gates for ages, so if they breached one, they'd have noticed something come out, and MiTD wouldn't have gone off to wander on its own.
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[RPGAgmJAY]

Even the earthquake ability was fulfilling another's wish (demon roach), though it appears he has done this in the past as well, otherwise the demon roach would not have known he could do it.

My thought would be to have something powerful (genie, like an efreeti) but they shouldn't be able to speak. What if it were polymorphed into something else? This is overkill.

I tried to think of something iconic D&D that would be immediately recognizable. How about a Marut? Can't figure the teleport into that though.

Finally found a possible creature. I had to go old school and whip out my 2nd Edition stuff. There is only one way to get an iconic D&D creature that would not be easily recognized by a majority of D&D fanboyz... and that's going old school.

What is the creature you ask?
A Ki-rin

Kudos to the Giant if he indeed went old school to keep us on our toes.

-Jason

[Haedrian]

What is the creature you ask?
A Ki-rin

*looks up on wiki*

Ki-rin are always lawful good.

Ki-rin worship Koriel.

Ki-rin resemble unicorns somewhat. They are powerful spellcasters, and roam the skies looking for good deeds to reward, and malefactors to punish.

This doesn't sound a thing like our MiTD

[Moriarty]

be patient young padawan!

well i don't doubt it was a lot of work seeking these out.


it might be kinda neat to back up the stats in the "Mitd - what we know" threads with these, but why did you decided to search them out in the first place?

[EmeraldPhoenix]

be patient young padawan!

well i don't doubt it was a lot of work seeking these out. but why?

altough it might be kinda neat to back up the stats in the "Mitd - what we know" threads with these

Well, if we're trying to figure out what exactly the monster in the dark is, it would be helpful to know exactly when he did/said/was mentioned in the strip. Even the most seemingly-unimportant details could mean something later in the strip. AND, if someone wants to find evidence for a Mitd theory, all they have to do is look through these comics. AND, if someone forgot which comic had Mitd saying/doing something, they can pinpoint it with this.

...I thought it was helpful. Maybe not, I guess...

[SOdhner]

...okay, if nobody even looks at this thread I'm going to get kinda p-ed off.

You posted this, like, half an hour ago. You've already replied to it twice, and changed the title twice. You may want to take a deep breath and relax.

There's nothing entertaining in this thread, it's good for research - which is awesome, and I'm sure quite a few people will be very happy that you did all that legwork for them, but it means there's nothing to actually discuss. Any discussion raised by the things in those comics will most likely end up in a different thread, in fact.

I'd suggest changing the title back to "Every. Single. Mitd. Strip. Ever." and then sit back and enjoy knowing that you've done something potentially useful, rather than worrying that not enough people are looking at what you typed.

EDIT: and in the time it took me to type that, you replied AGAIN. Wow.

[EmeraldPhoenix]

You posted this, like, half an hour ago. You've already replied to it twice, and changed the title twice. You may want to take a deep breath and relax.

There's nothing entertaining in this thread, it's good for research - which is awesome, and I'm sure quite a few people will be very happy that you did all that legwork for them, but it means there's nothing to actually discuss. Any discussion raised by the things in those comics will most likely end up in a different thread, in fact.

I'd suggest changing the title back to "Every. Single. Mitd. Strip. Ever." and then sit back and enjoy knowing that you've done something potentially useful, rather than worrying that not enough people are looking at what you typed.

EDIT: and in the time it took me to type that, you replied AGAIN. Wow.

sorry

I'm on a sugar buzz and I just tried to read the "OOTS #661 - The Discussion Thread". Every time I read a page three more have been written. . It kinda highlights the difference.

I'll back off now.

[rainbowjo]

Yeah, its better with the name change, cause as helpfull a thread this is, it is just another MitD thread :P

[Hatchet]

My first thought was that it has some template that grants something Wish-like as an SLA. Sadly I couldn't find such a template yet.

I've always been an advocate of the "regular monster with a ton of templates" theory. Because you know you want to see a Half-Dragon Fiendish Awakened Pseudonatural Paragon Dire Tarrasque.

Seriously though, templates would explain it's unusual abilities (like being able to talk, and this whole Wish thing as well) while still maintaining that it can be easily recognised.

[zzedar]

I'm not sure that the "one of these" comment necessarily means that the MitD is not a unique creature. For instance, if he were a god, the hunters might be surprised to find a god in the rainforest, but he would still likely be unique. Not that I'm saying he is a god, you understand.

A thought: he clearly doesn't have darkvision, but he can function somewhat, so he most likely has low-light vision or extremely keen hearing or something.

[Gez]

Yeah, its better with the name change, cause as helpfull a thread this is, it is just another MitD thread :P

Well now you need to read all the threads on the forum and create the index of every single MitD thread ever.

[Haedrian]

I'm so sorry for you.

You must be really bored.

Heh, I clicked the first strip, amazing how different the artwork is now.

[dragonseth]

*snip*A thought: he clearly doesn't have darkvision, but he can function somewhat, so he most likely has low-light vision or extremely keen hearing or something.

Good catch. I had been running under the assumption that he did have darkvision.

[Ellye]

A Greek God in a Animal Avatar form can fit all of those criteria, incidentally.