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Thread: MitD - What We Know
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2009-06-10, 11:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: MitD - What We Know
It cant be a Tarrasque.
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/tarrasque.htm
The tarrasque cannot speak.
SpoilerI'm leaning more toward Snarl, or Snarl offspring myself.
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2009-06-10, 11:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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I think I know what the MiTD is....
The MiTD is a Lolcat! It all makes sense!
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Re: Every. Single. Mitd. Strip. Ever. (Took a long time.)
I was just thinking about doing something like this!
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2009-06-10, 11:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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I myself strongly believe that the MitD is a snarl offspring of some sort, so you are not alone.
There is a heap of hints that MitD is somehow related to the Snarl:
It matches most of the points in the summary here (except Nr.1 and perhaps Nr. 10):
You also should consider the following:
- The snarl has already escaped once (see 275)
- The MitD is somehow connected to the gates (the MitD can't see these gates or perceives them in another way)
- the snarl being only mentioned in a legend, which could be exaggerated or distorted
- the snarl was trapped for thousands of years, what could have had impact on his sanity/power/form. The snarl fed on the Gods hate, so its possible that it became more and more powerless, since the pantheons work together now.
- the snarl is inactive since MitD is on the stage
The most important argument, that MitD is _not_ the Snarl, was already pointed out by Morquard:
Yes, those people who found the MitD seemed to recognize it as a common yet anomalous monster, and the snarl doesn't seem to have changed its shape in 275.
But maybe the snarl is not the big bad as the crayon comics report it to be. It could even have the form from a commonly known creature!Last edited by Onyavar; 2009-06-10 at 11:20 AM.
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2009-06-10, 11:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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One more possibility there. In a 3.5e supplement (I think it was Complete Arcane), there's a spell called Imperceptibility (or something like that) that makes the target unable to be detected by any of the five senses. Then again, I think it has a range of touch, and only affects one target, so...
Epic magic/psionics is also a possibility.Last edited by UltimatheChosen; 2009-06-10 at 11:49 AM.
He that knows little repeats it often.
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2009-06-10, 11:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-06-10, 11:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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No, they do not. Although they can certainly chew on adventurers with their toothy maws.
Unless a particular Pit Fiend managed to get spawned on the Prime Material or otherwise get the Native subtype. Which is uncommon, to say the least, but cannot be completely dismissed. Anyway, there are other counters to the Pit Fiend theory, such as having a parent, huge mental stats, or the reason why exactly Xykon didn't already milk the MiTD's wish. Hmm, that's quite an apt metaphore for handling critters endowed with wish SLAs.
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Was that sarcasm? Or an honest attempt to avoid a bad pun? Either way, this rule lawyer does not care.Last edited by Undead Prince; 2009-06-10 at 11:52 AM.
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2009-06-10, 11:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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my speculations are that he is THE DEMON COCKROACH GOD!!!! (DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNN)
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2009-06-10, 11:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Miko's class feature
And two great, huge reasons it can't be. 1) it's not unique at all, 2) we're supposed to be able to recognize it. How many other "spawn of snarl" have you seen, in this comic or anywhere else?
That's not how True Neutral works. Not even close.
Or, alternitavely, he could have been saying it as "why are you looking at me? I didn't do anything!"
Oh, and it's not a Tarrasque or Tarrasque offspring, because it's not unique. It is not a demon or devil (or angel) because it has parents. It is from the material plane because the hunters have seen members of his species before. It has a moderate to high int based on what O'Chul said, thus ruling out animal. It is not undead because it is not evil.
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2009-06-10, 11:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Probably not the most read thread, definitely not the most replied to thread, but I'm sure this will be one of the most linked to threads in the boards history.
Yay for the MiTD.
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2009-06-10, 12:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Awwww.
Well, *I* think it's interesting, Belkar=awsome. *pats you on the head on a comforting manner*
Seriously, you ****ers will make a millions threads speculating on V's gender or statting out the Order of the Stick, yet you whine when someone compiles some random information for you?
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2009-06-10, 12:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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MiTD obviously had no idea it possessed a wish SLA. Otherwise, it would long ago have wished to be lighted. Or for cookies.
It is not a demon or devil (or angel) because it has parents.
It is from the material plane because the hunters have seen members of his species before.
Ahem... "It's coming right for us!!"
It is not undead because it is not evil.
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2009-06-10, 12:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Ok, what we need is to write down everything that we potentially have been told about MitD. So stuff like in 543 where he says O-Chul should have escaped should be taken more seriously
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23 - Hates OOTS. Is afraid of the dark. Can manipulate a flashlight
37 - Finds Roy being hurt funny. Is capable of snorting
47 - Is familiar with crystal ball scrying options
82 - Finds dwarves going at it hot (similar to Redcloak). Is capable of manipulating kitchen tools in order to make popcorn
95 - No new information I can discern
96 - My bias from future comics is hitting me here. He's capable of seeing the gates, is incapable of interpreting them as gates. He might not actually see what Xykon is pointing to and instead think Xykon is pointing to something else, but that's unlikely. We see his magical darkness is only about 10 feet tall here
97 - Claims to have trouble seeing through magical darkness. Given future visual acuity, I find this unlikely. It could be he has some other means of detecting things that has trouble picking up the gate. Is capable of a hearty evil villain laugh (and intrinsically understands when they are called for)
103 - Is incapable of making a phrase that is terrifying to humans. These things may be frightening to him
105 - He appears to be standing behind the stage that Xykon is on. I don't think there's anything significant here, but it could be evidence he can turn incorporeal
106 - Here is where we see him actually forget about the gate that has been explained explicitly to him... from 97 we know he understood what the gate was, or they just gave up on trying to tell him
109 - Understands the concept of peer pressure
110 - is surprised that Xykon has killed more than one Fyron in Cliffport
114 - Is excited and nervous to come out of the darkness. Capable of being confused
117 - Capable of ignoring Xykon's direct order (not to come out until he finishes his speech). Either has trouble with big words, or has trouble understanding things involving magic (first the gate, then the phylactery)
147 - Remembers the phylactery, so 117 is just about the word being big. Has difficulty controlling his own strength. Enjoys power rangers/action figures. Wants to get out of the shadows. Doesn't seem inherently embarrassed by the umbrella's style. Is capable of holding an umbrella (and Redcloak and Xykon knew this already)
148 - Is capable of grumbling and mumbling. Can find loopholes in orders.
149 - Is surprisingly up-to-date on the current going ons given his previous actions
190 - We see that despite the previous evil-style stuff he's had going for him (the laughter, the hating of OOTS) we see that he's not been taught to be evil to some extent and supports RC taking the risk on himself. At the same time he's smart enough to figure out a plan that RC didn't which. He actually seems to be far smarter once he's left the dungeon.
191 - We learn that MitD has some knowledge of how powerful he is, but that he's still naive about what he can do. Also the first time he truly seems to be afraid
192 - I'm assuming the rock is blocking his view here and it's not a mystical vision blocking thing. Also, capable of recognizing odd coincidences
194 - Is willing to be hurt in order to be lit up. Based on his previous fear of going in, I think we see here that he realizes lantern archons can't actually hurt him. He says he has a face
195 - Demonstrates knowledge of magic items. This leads us to conclude the gate deal is just gates, and not magic items in general.
196 - Is capable of reading. Is capable of recognizing people at different ages (given that he's been living with immortals this is actually a little surprising maybe). We see here he's well and truly ignorant of the gates again. Also capable of recognizing gender
299 - Can't naturally raise undead. Chews his mallomars (and presumably other food) as opposed to swallowing them whole. Capable of extreme ignorance
331 - Still doesn't know about gates
368 - Enjoys eating. Has some emotional trouble involving being alone; on some level he recognizes that they're not his friends?
369 - Capable of holding both a big foam hand and popcorn. POSSIBILITY: he can eat the popcorn at the same time presumably... either he takes off the foam hand, or he has a third arm or psychic powers holding up one or more objects. Aside: The shadow gradient is so much smoother than it was in the original comics...
oh wait. NO! He has to be holding up the umbrella too. This makes THREE objects he's propping up, and they're in three different hands.
371 - Capable of recognizing social dynamics
373 - Capable of being polite
374 - Doesn't recognize that being slashed with a sword is an attack. Enjoys playing games involving who can hit for less. Capable of being tickled. We see again he can't control his own strength. Why he hits the horse is unclear besides comedic effect
375 - Has an incredible sense of smell to detect the beer on the dwarven letter. We see he drops the purse when he opens the letter here, but that could just be because he's not interested in it anymore. Capable of getting a paper cut.
414 - Nothing to see here. I notice there's no gradient for the shadowing anymore
415 - Capable of petting things. This indicates some sort of hand. Also wants to pet it, which probably doesn't say much. Thinks TV characters are real to an extent
422 - Again capable of discerning social rank, and when it gets broken.
428 - Just standing there again
431 - He's pretty confused here.
447 - here too
451 - Enjoys devouring things. Capable of recognizing specism
463 - Capable of anthropomorphizing dolls
474 - Eats scones. Either doesn't realize or doesn't care that Roy is dead (and doesn't seem up to devouring them at this point for some reason). What's holding up O-Chul?
475 - Capable of shouting really loud. I notice O-Chul falls down here; I wonder if MitD was holding him up with some sort of magic/psionics that broke when he stopped concentrating. The more plausible explanation is the rock he was leaning on (that we can't see) got knocked out of position, or that he was just propped up in a manner that kept him balanced on his own. We see the gradient reappear when he's indoors in the flashback, but not when he's outdoors. I assume that's just a stylistic choice, but I can't help but wonder if it's significant. Willing to eat some scary stuff. Capable of manipulating monopoly pieces
476 - Has no sense of taste. Capable of eating/drinking really fast. Remembers OOTS so his sense of memory isn't completely trash
477 - Capable of ignoring piercing damage. Capable of a crazy cool earthquake attack when he stomps the ground. Gets fatigued by this. He doesn't seem to think devouring Haley and Belkar will fulfill his hunger. Whistles in... whistles in purple! Roy whistles in gold, Sabine whistles in red... out of the three fiends, the neutral one was purple, with lawful being yellow(goldish) and chaos orange (reddish) IIRC. Could this be an alignment indicator?
541 - Has unbridled optimism in Mr. Stiffly. Enjoys betting/playing
543 - Thinks willing people to escape will let them do it. Knows he's not supposed to know what the gate is (maybe he's been faking?) Again tries to find a loophole
549 - Enjoys stew and gruel equally. Doesn't understand O-Chul's being tortured very well. Won't eat babies or kids. Doesn't let girls join clubs... indicates MitD is in fact male. Can't remember O-Chul's name
550 - Poor understanding of friendship. Shockingly still remembers Right-Eye. I only realized now that this whole naming convention is a subtle jab at DnD players not remembering NPC's names. Enjoys playing board games. Seems willing to eat wooden plates
651 - Was born in the rainforest/moved there at an early age. Remembers his backstory. Had a father who ate even more and was larger. Finds it hard to think. Possibly the board represents him. Capable of farting really loudly
654 - Willing to take a sunburst to the face. Clearly has a decent amount of hp. Recognizes the conflict between O-Chul and Xykon on some level. Doesn't go to the bathroom more than once an hour. Remembers O-Chul's name when it counts. There's a typo between 'than' and 'then', but at this point I'm willing to consider some grammar trick that will end up being the turning point of the story later
658 - Capable of popping V and O-Chul out. May not even realize he does this.
So to summarize the pertinent points:
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He can handle more than two objects at a time. Either more than two arms or some psychic ability. The dinner party with O-Chul may indicate psychic ability.
May not be able to actually see out of the darkness, instead using some other sense (blind sense? Close range scrying?). Has trouble seeing the gates, which may be related.
Seems to be able to remember things that are important to him, even retroactively. O-Chul's name, OOTS, where he came from. On the other hand he doesn't remember stuff like how many brothers X has. There's a shocking divide between these, but it may be simply for comedic effect
He has a face. He chews (at least some of) his food
Can't raise the undead
Has DR against slashing (Miko calls it that so it's probably not natural AC). Probably DR against piercing too. This is a fairly high bonus.
Unable to control his own strength/doesn't realize how strong he is
Has a superhuman sense of smell perhaps
Capable of petting things (indicating hands)
Capable of a shout attack
Has an earthquake attack that tires him. Doesn't seem to consider devouring people as a source of food (devour their souls maybe?) What other ways of devouring are there?
Whistles in purple. I believe this to have some significance, considering other people's whistles have significant colors.
Seems to be male
Capable of making people escape, but doesn't seem to control the power very well (his earthquake power he didn't understand either, but in that case he didn't know about it. He used his shouting attack effectively, but possibly accidentally)
Farts really loud. Has a larger father who eats more. Has a bathroom schedule seemingly on par with a human
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2009-06-10, 12:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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snarl's baby makes a lot of sense actually.
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2009-06-10, 12:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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3rd-edition Darkvision doesn't help against magical darkness, which that darkness pretty much has to be. Although 3.5 "magical darkness" is technically just "shadowy illumination," which would obscure the MitD's vision without blocking it completely, which fits (though it doesn't explain why *we* can't see more of *it*, unless it has soemthing like the Shadow Blend ability.
This *does*, however, mean that by rules-as-written, it can't be a Pit Fiend (or other baatezu), since they *can* see perfectly in magical darkness.
It cant be a Tarrasque.
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/tarrasque.htm
The tarrasque cannot speak.
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2009-06-10, 12:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Right now we don't know if MitD did teleport (or whatever) them.
We know they're gone.
We know he wanted them gone.
But one might not have anything to do with the other. This could be V's former master doing something, or maybe V's fiends called in a favor.
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2009-06-10, 12:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Maybe ask Wrecan to put a link to this thread on his Number of Character Appearances thread, under the MitD entry?
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My vote is for the Legendary Black Beast of Aaaaarrrrrrggghhh.
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2009-06-10, 12:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-06-10, 12:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Okay. After today's comic, my brain went "Togepi" for the Metronome-like effect. And then I did some research.
Snorlax.
He can learn Metronome with a CT.
Under special abilities:
When trained and exercised properly, Snorlax can gain supreme strength and ability. They can throw incredibly powerful punches and cause immense earthquakes.
Under diet:
Snorlax is not very picky, and will eat anything and everything that is edible. They are fond of large, thorny vines.
The only problem is that the MitD isn't sleeping most of the time.
Does The Giant play Pokemon?
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2009-06-10, 12:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Some of these theories are mildly crazy.
Part of the Snarl? Really just doesn't make sense, at its basest. The Snarl is a being of divine strife and pure chaos that no one has heard of save a very select few.
The Tarrasque cannot reproduce.
Pit Fiend only has 1 quality that matches, total: the Wish.
KISS, guys. Occam's Razor, too. The farther you have to reach, the less chance it has of being true.
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I don't know what it is, but I know what it isn't.
- It's very unlikely that it's not a tarrasque (no Wish-fulfilling ability, but see below)
- It's not (a part of/spawn of) the Snarl (the hunters wouldn't have recognised it)
- It's not an outsider (would speak in a different colour, also outsiders don't eat, most wouldn't have parents)
- It's not undead, nor an elemental or a construct (none of those eat or have parents).
What bugs me is the fact that neither Xykon nor Redcloak seem to know of it's Wish-fulfilling ability (or they'd have abused it for their own ends), and Redcloak knows what it is. Does this mean this ability is atypical for it's species?
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It's possible that he's a young, templated tarrasque, though I'll admit I'm skeptical of this. It would explain his strength and seeming immunity to damage, though not his ability to teleport V and O-Chul.
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2009-06-10, 01:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Monsters sometimes get more abilities with advancement in HD. For some monsters, this advancement is tied to maturing (aging). Obvious example: dragons.
Xykon and Redcloak might not have been aware that the MiTD has grown into the next age category and thus got SLAs.
This would also fit nicely with MiTD's entire recent character development, i.e. maturing.
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