I'm Bored, Give Me A 3.5 PrC To Make [it'sdonenow]

[DracoDei]

What is with the "!"? No love for the Disney version of "The Little Mermaid"?

[Juhn]

Methinks TSED's mind went somewhere squickier than mermaids.

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

Well, dang. Thanks Djinn. Mind if I ninja that ability?

That's why it's there. Just add "Or the ability to initiate 3rd level Martial Maneuvers in a class that has access to the White Raven Discipline."

So it's a crusader/Warblade only entry, as both can make good Gallant Princes, and White Raven seems like the best starting point.

[TSED]

That's why it's there. Just add "Or the ability to initiate 3rd level Martial Maneuvers in a class that has access to the White Raven Discipline."

So it's a crusader/Warblade only entry, as both can make good Gallant Princes, and White Raven seems like the best starting point.

I was actually going to say "Devoted Spirit" but I can't see a logical reason to preclude Warblades, so, yeah. Ok.

I'll plop in a "thanks to Djinn for ToB support!" as well.

[PairO'Dice Lost]

I was actually going to say "Devoted Spirit" but I can't see a logical reason to preclude Warblades, so, yeah. Ok.

I'll plop in a "thanks to Djinn for ToB support!" as well.

Well, making it Devoted Spirit doesn't mean warblades can't enter, it just means they need to burn a feat or two on Martial Study; this encourages crusaders but doesn't disallow warblades. On the other hand, if you thought warblades fit the knight-in-shining-armor trope best, you could require Iron Heart and make crusaders burn a feat or two. On the gripping hand, while White Raven seems a bit off for the archetype (given that the Prince Charming type is usually a lone hero with only his trusty steed to accompany him), I think letting both classes enter equally is the best idea.

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

Well, making it Devoted Spirit doesn't mean warblades can't enter, it just means they need to burn a feat or two on Martial Study; this encourages crusaders but doesn't disallow warblades. On the other hand, if you thought warblades fit the knight-in-shining-armor trope best, you could require Iron Heart and make crusaders burn a feat or two. On the gripping hand, while White Raven seems a bit off for the archetype (given that the Prince Charming type is usually a lone hero with only his trusty steed to accompany him), I think letting both classes enter equally is the best idea.

Additionally, the requirement never states that you need White Raven Maneuvers...only that your class has the ability to take them. You can get in with an purely Iron Heart Warblade, for example. See? Already took that into account.

I'll plop in a "thanks to Djinn for ToB support!" as well.

[DracoDei]

These Initiator levels do grant you additional maneuvers known or maneuvers readied.

I believe this should be "do not".

[PairO'Dice Lost]

Additionally, the requirement never states that you need White Raven Maneuvers...only that your class has the ability to take them. You can get in with an purely Iron Heart Warblade, for example. See? Already took that into account.

My bad; I just automatically interpreted that as "3rd level White Raven maneuvers" and missed the specific phrasing.

I'd actually make that "Initiator Level 5 and at least 1 White Raven maneuver" so you (A) ensure that they have something leader- and heroic-ish and (B) allow paladins and knights to enter (at the cost of a feat) if they're using an alternate class feature--since your noble steed doesn't have to be celestial--as well as more chivalrously-inclined fighters or rangers.

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

I believe this should be "do not".

Oops. Typo.

[Debihuman]

Improved Martial Maneouvers isn't in the chart. Also, Brave Soul is still showing an untyped bonus to Will saves. It probably should be a morale bonus. Lady's Favor also gives out a morale bonus but to damage not to Will saves so the bonuses won't interfere with each other.

Debby

[TSED]

Improved Martial Maneouvers isn't in the chart. Also, Brave Soul is still showing an untyped bonus to Will saves. It probably should be a morale bonus. Lady's Favor also gives out a morale bonus but to damage not to Will saves so the bonuses won't interfere with each other.

Debby

I'm keeping that because really, paladins are immune to fear and Prince Charming knight-style sure didn't run away from Maleficus' Frightful Presence.

I'll fix the chart / typo shenanigans. I think I'll also add a new maneuver known if you already knew a third level maneuver for IIL as well.

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

I believe this should be "do not".

TSED, you might want to fix this. DracoDei spotted a rather important typo in my writing of the Improved Martial Maneuver ability. As of your last edit, which addressed your most recent post, this was not changed.

Ninja-ed! You sneaked by me with that editing.