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2006-03-12, 01:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Naming conventions in homebrew worlds
Hi all. I'm quite new to D&D, but I'm an avid tinkerer in game design (both the number-crunching bits and world-writing bits) and find myself brainstorming ideas for a world setting. Now I don't expect to be coming up with anything useful anytime soon, being as I have only the very barest familiarity with the game system, but I figure by the time I have enough experience to start thinking about doing anything serious I should have plenty of material to work with.
This leads to a question of preference: if the world I'm laying the foundations for features a race or class which is similar to, but functionally distinct from one of the core races/classes, is it better to reuse names to link them to core material, or to come up with new names to hammer in the point that they're different? Like say if the traditional D&D concept of "paladin" didn't fit in your world, but you wanted a different sort of holy warrior interpretation available, would it be a better idea to rewrite the paladin class and say "Here, paladins work totally different in this world" or to scratch paladins out entirely and say "No, there's no paladins here, you can be a ______ instead."
This is a pretty academic question for me, but I was just curious as to what others think on the subject.
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2006-03-12, 02:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Naming conventions in homebrew worlds
Depends if it makes sense to you in your world to still call this "new class" paladins. If it doesn't make sense, then change the name. If you change the paladin class, it will be as if it was always that way to the people of your world. This is the same for other classes, though most people in the world do not refer to them as classes. To them, a Paladin would be some kind of holy warrior against good, while a fighter would be a trained soldier and a barbarian would be a wild man who uses his rage to implement his power.
Basically, the people of your world see classes as just types of people. The guy in the armor is probably a soldier to them, even if he has a warhorse. If you want to change the paladin class, do what you want with the name, it won't matter. If you wanted to use it together with the paladin class, then change the name.
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2006-03-12, 02:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Naming conventions in homebrew worlds
Indeed, the people in this world have no concept of a "character class". I'm not writing the setting for the fictional people who live in the setting; I'm writing it for the players who may someday be playing it, who will at least in part be thinking of them as "classes".
So, to rephrase the question somewhat: if I have something that is somewhat like a paladin but different, will it be easier for players to grasp if I just call it a paladin, or should I rename it so they won't get hung up on the differences between the "pseudopaladin" and the paladins they're used to?
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2006-03-12, 02:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Naming conventions in homebrew worlds
Ha! Ever heard of the "Knights of Solamnia"? They replace paladins in dragonlance. Giving these new classes different names will certainly give your world some flavor... the downside, however, is that some insensitive players might poke fun of your new class names... >:(
For instance, whenever one of my players refers to the knights, he always puts the words in quotations ... jerk ...
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2006-03-13, 02:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Naming conventions in homebrew worlds
In my own campaign, paladin is just a word used to describe good, armored heroes. Sometimes thats a cleric on horseback, and sometimes that's a specialty holy-warrior type that I came up with to replace the paladin class.
In the introductory write up, I listed classes that could be taken as-was, classes with minor changes, and then classes with major changes, and then listed banned classes, and finally with a big bold heading, new classes.
It was messy to look at, but the players appreciated the categorization when they went to make characters.Avatar created by idksocrates!
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2006-03-13, 03:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Naming conventions in homebrew worlds
Yossarian--depends on how different it is. You can call it a "Paladin variant" and warn players it doesn't play like a typical paladin.
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2006-03-13, 06:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Naming conventions in homebrew worlds
I would suggest an alternate name, myself; it helps to divorce the altered class from the original in the minds of the players to be a "Crusader of Barsoom" instead of a "Paladin". Even if they never refer to themselves as a Paladin IC, there's still going to be that hanging in the back of their heads.
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2006-03-13, 08:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Naming conventions in homebrew worlds
Originally Posted by Hallavast
Ultimately it depends on whether you think the new names will be flavorful enough that they reshape the way your players think about the setting and the game. If Athasian "Bards" poison people and assassinate their hosts routinely, then it might be worth coming up with another name for them. If the "Knights of Solamnia" are basically just Paladins with the serial numbers filed off, then you get no real bang for the buck of making the players say the extra three syllables, and are essentially wasting their time.
I guess for me, that's whaat it boils down to-- are your names making the world more exciting and intriguing, or are you wasting the players' time?"But Mr. Davidson, even your own faith teaches that the world must end someday."
"Yes, well, that's the point. Someday. Not Tuesday!" --Roy "Cappy" Davidson, Thrillseekers, (D20 Past)
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2006-03-13, 09:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Naming conventions in homebrew worlds
Ah, the Athasian bards. Who doesn't miss them? So cool...you won't find that level of coolness in FR I'll tell you what.
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2006-03-14, 04:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Naming conventions in homebrew worlds
Originally Posted by thatguyThe Cranky Gamer
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*It isn't realism, it's verisimilitude; the appearance of truth within the framework of the game.
*"I" is an English pronoun in the nominative case of first person singular. It does not indicate the actions or writings of anyone but the first person, singular.
*Tataurus, you have three halves as well as a race that doesn't breed. -UglyPanda
*LVDO ERGO SVM
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2006-03-14, 08:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Naming conventions in homebrew worlds
Originally Posted by MrNexx
1. They're also the easiest way to identify arcane artifacts without practicing magic or just handing them over to the Templars.
2. With luck, you aren't the target, but one of your guests is.
3. Lord So-and-so had them in his house last month, and if you turn them away, he'll take it as a personal insult. Risk of minor problem is better than open warfare with another aristocrat."But Mr. Davidson, even your own faith teaches that the world must end someday."
"Yes, well, that's the point. Someday. Not Tuesday!" --Roy "Cappy" Davidson, Thrillseekers, (D20 Past)