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    I have TOme of Magic. What is it you need?

    I also have made GOds so I can help with the Salient Diving Abilities.
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    That would be much appreciated. I've seen your work and I do like it.

    I mentioned Tome of Magic as Owrtho wanted vestages.

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    Ah. Would you like help with deities or Vestiges first.
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    I'd say let's finnish working on the deities first.

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    So do they just need stats so far?
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    Well anything that you do will be appreciated. I suggest reading the original thread if you haven't yet in order to get a good insight into what you'll be statting up.

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    Okay as a base, all deities have 20 outsider Hit Dice, and most have 40 Hit Dice worth of class levels (usually level 20 in 2 classes).

    So we need to agree on what those class levels are for the kitty gawds, and things can commence.
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    Wizards killed my Cat Burglar thread on their board but said I could restart it so lemme reupload there and I'll get started here
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    Sorry about that. Good luck with getting it done again.

    I've thought about it a bit and I think that Cuddles would probably have levels in paladin and maybe in monk and knight. Couggles would probably be a barbarian/rogue. Lionddles would probably have at least one level of aristocrat (he'd care more about bossing people around than optomisation. Possibly also beguiller, enchanter and knight. Wuggles would probably have druid and totemist levels. Siberian Tigger probably has levels in paladin of tyrrany and enchanter. Pantheggles would definately have levels in necromancer and dread necromancer nekocatser and dread nekocatser. Thus far still unsure about the others.

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    I had a few seconds to skim the post. My best guesses so far:

    Snuggles: Wizard 20, Rogue 20

    Cuddles: Paladin 20, Cleric 20

    Couggles: Rogue 20, Beguiler 20

    Primordial Elder Cat: Wizard 20, Cleric 20

    Leoparddles: Cleric 20, Rogue 20

    Bengal Tigger: Healer 20, Druid 20?

    Liondles: Fighter 20, Barbarian 20

    Wuggles: Druid 20, Scout 20?

    Siberian Tigger: Paladin of Tyranny 20, Wizard 20

    Pantheggles: Dread necromancer 20, Wizard 20

    Cat: ???
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    Most of these should work quite well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bhu View Post
    I had a few seconds to skim the post. My best guesses so far:

    Snuggles: Wizard 20, Rogue 20

    Cuddles: Paladin 20, Cleric 20

    Couggles: Rogue 20, Beguiler 20

    Primordial Elder Cat: Wizard 20, Cleric 20
    This seems to fit.

    Leoparddles: Cleric 20, Rogue 20
    Ok, I can see this.

    Bengal Tigger: Healer 20, Druid 20?
    She doesn't have an allowed alignment for druid. Maybe wizard (possibly speciallising in abjurations)?

    Liondles: Fighter 20, Barbarian 20
    Neither the alignment, nor the personality for barbarian. Maybe knight?

    Wuggles: Druid 20, Scout 20?
    It fits.

    Siberian Tigger: Paladin of Tyranny 20, Wizard 20

    Pantheggles: Dread necromancer 20, Wizard 20
    Makes perfect sense.

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    CAT everything//everything else

    probably best represented by factotum/binder

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    The next thing that would need to be decided is their Divine Rank. Just about everything is influenced by Divine Rank, and it determines how many Salient Divine Abilities the Deity will have. Of course it looks like the bulk of the Snuggles Pantheons abilities will all be Extra Domains. Most Gods usually have 3-5 Domains.
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    Next up we need to know Divine Rank before beginning. The following is the minimum Divine Rank to have each Cat Gods Domains plus 1 other ability (we'll call it the minimum DR).

    Snuggles: 4

    Cuddles: 7

    Couggles: 5

    Primordial Elder Cat: 9

    Leoparddles: 7

    Bengal Tigger:3

    Lionddles: 10

    Wuggles: 6

    Siberian Tigger: 10

    Pantheggles: 5

    CAT: ?

    It would help knowing their hierarchy, and what kind of god they are (lesser, intermediate, greater, etc)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhu View Post
    Next up we need to know Divine Rank before beginning. The following is the minimum Divine Rank to have each Cat Gods Domains plus 1 other ability (we'll call it the minimum DR).

    Snuggles: 4

    Cuddles: 7

    Couggles: 5

    Primordial Elder Cat: 9

    Leoparddles: 7

    Bengal Tigger:3

    Lionddles: 10

    Wuggles: 6

    Siberian Tigger: 10

    Pantheggles: 5

    CAT: ?

    It would help knowing their hierarchy, and what kind of god they are (lesser, intermediate, greater, etc)
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    How can Snuggles, the progenitor of them all, have the 2nd lowest divine rank? Instead of 4, call it "At least 3 higher than any others, probably more."
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    Well, actually i could see it... If its an avatar of Snuggles your statting up there. Otherwise he should be the highest (well, seeing as Cat and Primordial Elder Cat are him, maybe the same as them). Also, I'd think they'd all be at least high intermediate, and most likely would be greater (with Cat and Primordial Elder Cat (and Snuggles being that overdiety thing or whatever it is).

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    Sorry about not being able to post for a while, but I've kind of addressed this already.

    Quote Originally Posted by Me View Post
    I rechecked the holy original thread and Snuggles officially has a divine rank of 25. His siblings are considered to have a similar level of power yet him and Good Cat are reffered to as the "greatest and most unknowable", suggesting that Good Cat also has a Divine Rank of 25 and that their siblings have divine ranks of probably 23-25. I'm sure that the worshipers of Primordial Elder Cat would say that it has an even higher divine rank as it is basically an abstract cosmic entity. CAT would have an even higher divine rank as CAT is made of the essences of the other CatGods and is beyond comprehension. Giving CAT your kitty domains (obviously CAT would have them) gives CAT a divine rank of 54 just from domains and ignoring all of CAT'S other powers.
    Bhu, you forgot that CAT as the totality of all catness would have your kitty domains.

    I can't really get much more specific than that as I am unsure how many salient divine abilities that they would require to be able to do what they can canonically do.

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    So most of the Pantheon is pretty much equals?
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    I'm at work, so i did not have the time to read it all, but isn't Snuggles = Basement Cat and Good Cat = Ceiling Cat?

    EDIT: I am sorry, i did just notice my mistake. I'll revoke my question.
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    @Bhu: Pretty much. That's what canon says anyway. It is believed that a large discrepincy in power would result in one side no longer being able to meaningfully contribute to the multiverse.

    @Rigon: I'm assuming that you now read the first post and found the information that you were seeking.

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    Okay so are there any other than CAT that you think would be less than 25?
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    Note: needs 4 more Salient Divine Abilities, 5 Feats

    Snuggles
    Symbol: Your despairing soul as it is being devoured
    Alignment: Chaotic Evil
    Portfolio: Cats, Creation, Destruction, Trickery, Charm
    Worshipers:Conservative Church of the Dark Lord Snuggles; Orthodox Sugglism; Orthodox Worshipers of Snuggles, May His Eyes Not Come To Rest On Me; Knights In Snuggles Service; Cult of Snuggles; Temple of The Snuggles; Elite Yarn Throne Guards
    Cleric Alignments: Any, mostly Chaotic Evil
    Domains: Animal, Chaos, Destruction, Evil, Trickery, Schrödinger, and the entire domain of good trapped inside a small jingly ball
    Favored Weapon: Bite, Claws, Disintegrate, Wand of Isaac's Greater Missile Storm
    Titles: Snuggles the Doom Kitty, Snuggles the Death Kitty, The Dark Lord of Yarn, Lone Pussycat of the Apocalypse, Master of the Schrödinger Domain, Dark Lord Snuggles, Basement Cat, Bringer of the Hurtsies
    Description: Snuggles appears to be a black house cat that has its right eye replaced with a Shield brooch, and its tongue replaced with a Wand of Isaac's Greater Missile Storm, and is wearing a collar of True Resurrection. His left eye can cast Disintegrate at will.
    Snuggles doesn't need to see, Snuggles can smell your fear, and hear your screams for pain after the greater missile storm lands. Assuming you live. You won't live. But, Snuggles is not without mercy. Snuggles wears a collar of True Resurrection. Snuggles is also not without a sick sense of sadism. He raises you, only to kill you again. Snuggles is adorable, lethally so, all who sees Snuggles' normal form must must succeed on a will save or have their body reduced to pink fluff. Snuggles doesn't sleep, he waits. Dark lord snuggles dines only on Epic Salmon canned in infernal bronze, the only can opener worthy of his attention is a holy avenger, which he uses as a toothpick after dining first on your charred corpse, and then on the salmon at his leisure. Those who disturb his catnaps shall suffer DISINTEGRATION! But not before being toyed with. Snuggles is Master of the Schrödinger Domain, allowing him to be simultaneously fractured and whole, dead and alive, all powerful.
    As far as snuggles is concerned, there are only 2 types of people:
    1) those of us blessed with the knowledge that he will be our death
    2) those who are in for a bit of a surprise
    Snuggles enjoys playing with his food, so much so that he gathers worshipers to his other aspects for greater entertainment when he inevitably turns upon them.



    SNUGGLES
    Wizard 20, Rogue 20
    Tiny Outsider (Chaotic, Evil)
    Divine Rank: 25
    Hit Dice: 20d8+140 plus 20d4+140 plus 20d6+140 (780 hp)
    Initiative: +22
    Speed: 80 ft. (16 squares)
    Armor Class: 103 (+2 Size, +14 Dex, +25 Divine, +38 Natural, +14 Deflection), touch 65, flat-footed 89
    Base Attack/Grapple: +45/+44
    Attack: Claw +84 melee (1d3+32) or spell +84 melee/ranged touch
    Full Attack: 2 Caws +84 melee (1d3+32) and 1 Bite +79 melee (1d4+28) spell +84 melee/ranged touch
    Space/Reach: 2 1/2 ft./0 ft.
    Special Attacks: Domain Powers, Salient Divine Abilities, Spell-Like Abilities, +10d6 Sneak Attack
    Special Qualities: Divine Immunities, DR 30/Epic, Fire Resistance 30, Spell Resistance 57, Spontaneous Casting of Divine Spells, Understands/Speaks/Reads all Languages, Speak directly to all beings within 15 miles, Remote Communication, Godly Realm, Teleport w/out Error at Will, Plane Shift at Will, Divine Aura 25 miles, DC 49), Trapfinding, Evasion, Trap Sense +6, Uncanny Dodge, Improved Uncanny Dodge, Improved Evasion, Defensive Roll, Crippling Strike, Slippery Mind
    Saves: Fort +56, Ref +69, Will +69
    Abilities: Str 24, Dex 38, Con 24, Int 38, Wis 38, Cha 38
    Skills: Appraise +84, Balance +88, Bluff +84, Climb +87, Concentration +55, Craft (Alchemy, Taxidermy) +61, Decipher Script +72, Diplomacy +88, Disable Device +71, Disguise +71 (+75 Acting), Escape Artist +71, Hide +92, Intimidate +88, Jump +81, Knowledge (Dungeoneering, Geography, History, Local, Nature, Things Man Was Not Meant to Know) +71, Knowledge (Arcana, Religion, The Planes) +82, Listen +84, Move Silently +84, Open Lock +61, Profession (Assassin, Thief) +62, Search +84, Sense Motive +84, Spellcraft +89, Spot +84, Swim +69, Tumble +88, Use Magic Device +84
    Feats: Blind-Fight, Combat Reflexes, Dodge, Empower Spell, Greater Spell Penetration, Heighten Spell, Improved Initiative, Maximize Spell, Mobility, Quicken Spell, Retributive Spell, Silent Spell, Spell Focus (Chaos, Evil), Spell Mastery, Spell Penetration, Spring Attack, Still Spell, Superior Initiative, Transdimensional Spell, Weapon Finesse, Craft Wand (B), Craft Wondrous Item (B), Enlarge Spell (B), Extend Spell (B), Scribe Scroll (B)
    Divine Immunities: Ability Damage, Ability Drain, Acid, Cold, Death Effects, Disease, Disintegration, Electricity, Energy Drain, Mind-Affecting Effects, Paralysis, Poison, Sleep, Stunning ,Transmutation, Imprisonment, and Banishment.
    Salient Divine Abilities: Alter Reality, Alter Size, Arcane Mastery, Automatic Metamagic, Avatar, Clearsight, Divine Blast, Divine Celerity, Divine Rogue, Divine Shield, Divine Sneak Attack, Extra Domain (Evil, Trickery, Schrödinger), Eye of Disintegration (see below), Free Move, Frightful Presence, Gift of Life, Hand of Death, Instant Move, Know Death, Life and Death, Mass Divine Blast, Mass Life and Death, Spontaneous Wizard Spells, 4 more
    Domain Powers: Speak w/Animals 1/day as a Spell-Like Ability, Chaos and Evil Spells are cast at +1 Caster level, Smite 1/day (+4 to hit, +25 damage), Immune to non-magical plant based poisons
    Spell-Like Abilities: Snuggles can cast the following spells at will as Spell-Like abilities: Animal Shapes, Animate Objects, Antilife Shell, Beast Claws, Blasphemy, Chaos Hammer, Calm Animal, Cloak of Chaos, Commune with Nature, Confusion, Contagion, Create Undead, Curse of Ill Fortune, Death Ward, Desecrate, Discern Location, Disguise Self, Disintegrate, Dispel Good, Dispel Law, Dominate Animal, Earthquake, False Vision, Harm, Hold Animal, Implosion, Inflict Critical Wounds, Inflict Light Wounds, Inflict Mass Light Wounds, Invisibility, Life's Grace, Magic Circle Against Good, Magical Circle Against Law, Mislead, Nondetection, Polymorph Any Object, Protection from Good, Protection from Law, Renewal Pact, Revive Outsider, Screen, Shapechange, Shatter, Summon Monster IX (Chaos or Evil only), Summon Nature's Ally IV and VIII (animals only), Time Stop, True Resurrection, Unholy Aura, Unholy Blight, Word of Chaos
    Caster Level is 35. Save DC is 49 plus the spell level.
    Possessions: None.

    Other Divine Powers
    As an Greater deity, Snuggles automatically receives the best possible result on any die roll he makes (including attack rolls, damage, checks, and saves). He is immortal.
    Senses: Snuggles can see, hear, touch, and smell at a distance of 25 miles. As a Standard Action he can perceive anything within 25 miles of his worshipers, holy sites, objects, or any location where one of his titles or name was spoken in the last hour. he can extend his senses to up to 20 locations at once. He can block the sensing power of deities of his rank or lower at up to two remote locations at once for 25 hours.
    Portfolio Powers: Snuggles sense any act involving slavery or oppression the instant it happens and 25 weeks into the past or future.
    Automatic Actions: Snuggles can use and Charisma Based skill as a Free Action if the DC for the task is 30 or lower. He can perform up to 20 Free Actions each round.
    Create Magic Items: Snuggles can create any magic item.



    Eye of Disintegration
    Your eye can disintegrate objects.
    Prerequisites: Cha 29, Divine Rank 6
    Benefits: You may cast Disintegrate at will. Caster level is 20 or your Divine Rank, whichever is higher. The body is disintegrated entirely, meaning you cannot be restored to life except by another Deity.
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    with Alter Size the cat gods can be any size they want, but what size are they normally? Tiny?

    Also gods have the following stats: 35, 28, 25, 24, 24, 24. Then you have increases by level and Divine Rank.
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    Tiny, normal cat size. Also, why is his subtype lawful?

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    Um... yes. Snuggles is chaotic. I do not see him having a lawful subtype. It should probably also be noted that cananically Snuggles has the paragon and pseudonatural templates.

    Other than that, cool so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Owrtho View Post
    Tiny, normal cat size. Also, why is his subtype lawful?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sereg View Post
    Um... yes. Snuggles is chaotic. I do not see him having a lawful subtype. It should probably also be noted that cananically Snuggles has the paragon and pseudonatural templates.

    Other than that, cool so far.
    Let me look at the templates. Quite honestly he may not need them as many of the abilities he gets as a deity will be better than what he gets fro mteh template or could be simulated by salient divine abilities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhu View Post
    Let me look at the templates. Quite honestly he may not need them as many of the abilities he gets as a deity will be better than what he gets fro mteh template or could be simulated by salient divine abilities.
    You are probably right and that is something that I considered, but I thought that I should tell you to keep that in mind anyway.

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    Any disagreements with his stats/abilities so far?
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    Well, I don't see mention of his shield broach eye, but I'm not very used to seeing gods' stats so can't say much more than that.

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    Default Re: Snuggles and the 'Cat Pantheon' [Requires aid]

    What are the items mentioned anyway? Im assuming shield broach allows you to cast the Shield spell but whats the wand?
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