Avatar Battle Royale Discussion Thread XXIV: What is this "Haste" you speak of?

[Emperor Ing]

1-5) It's impossible to explain chaos to humans so can we drop this, AND STOP SAYING WRITING BS ALL THE TIME!!!

And what's the butterfly effect?

1) I say BS because it is BS. And its an acronym. The first word in the acronym is 'Bull'. =\
2) And this 'chaos' thing you mention is either randomness, or the lack of knowledge of how something works. If it can't explain it, then NOTHING can understand it.
At all.
Without exception.
Or its just too stupid to understand.

3) Butterfly Effect is a redundancy of Chaos Theory, which indicates that things will happen based on pre-existing conditions.
4) Here's your explamation of chaos in words you can understand:
weijrnfljbgtbgtkulibjgekyhbeihy43lobjunt53lbhcneoa jgnxstjrnfljsebgtlonsboertunbwpieubtsbgptnhkenbgip jtbohwenspobjnrep.
Translated into words a normal person can understand: Its the name of the pattern we give things we don't understand the pattern of.

[Darklord Bright]

How about specific members,

X2? - Decent enough leader at the best of times, downright dangerously reckless at the worst.
Moss? - Who?
Shadesworth? - Doesn't like him. Doesn't trust anything made of darkness as a rule, tends to work out badly.

and so on...

My replies to the above are in bold, though they are not exactly meaty.
Skimmer - Seems to be one of the more effective members of the team. Does some real damage and can take it too. More useful against hostiles than in social situations, though.
Falgorn - At least tries to employ a level of intelligence into his strategies, but too often X2 just kinda goes "overruled!" and doesn't let them fly.
Damien - Not much to say, hasn't really done anything of note. Seems loyal, if nothing else.

Anything else?

Not exactly interesting, I'm afraid. Katya's relationships with people are almost directly related to their effectiveness in Fight/Social situations and Strategic skills. Being reliable/trustworthy is a good +1, too.

[Keris]

And what's the butterfly effect?

A minor change in the starting conditions of a system can have much larger consequences in the outcome. An oft used example is "the flap of a butterfly’s wings in Brazil sets off a tornado in Texas", or some variation thereof.
The term is often also used in relation to time travel, if one were to travel back in time and perform an inconsequential act it could have far reaching consequences. Stepping on an ant could cause a new World War, for example, or prevent you from being born.

Another example is in the historical rhyme, "For Want of a Nail".

"For want of a nail the shoe was lost.
For want of a shoe the horse was lost.
For want of a horse the rider was lost.
For want of a rider the battle was lost.
For want of a battle the kingdom was lost.
And all for the want of a horseshoe nail."

Yet another can be seen in the first Erfworld comic.

[Darklord Bright]

A minor change in the starting conditions of a system can have much larger consequences in the outcome. An oft used example is "the flap of a butterfly’s wings in Brazil sets off a tornado in Texas", or some variation thereof.
The term is often also used in relation to time travel, if one were to travel back in time and perform an inconsequential act it could have far reaching consequences. Stepping on an ant could cause a new World War, for example, or prevent you from being born.

Another example is in the historical rhyme, "For Want of a Nail".

"For want of a nail the shoe was lost.
For want of a shoe the horse was lost.
For want of a horse the rider was lost.
For want of a rider the battle was lost.
For want of a battle the kingdom was lost.
And all for the want of a horseshoe nail."

I have never liked you so much before now. Finally, someone else who actually knows what they are talking about.

[Emperor Ing]

I have never liked you so much before now. Finally, someone else who actually knows what they are talking about.

actually, he doesn't. He's just a master of google-fu.

[Darklord Bright]

actually, he doesn't. He's just a master of google-fu.

And yet he's still peicing together more intelligent arguments than you. Quaint.

Now, stop the argument before this escalates. One comment here leads to a shout there, one shout there leads to a yelling match, one yelling match leads to a fight, and one fight leads to a ban. All because someone made a comment.

Yes, I am aware of the irony. I am human enough to want a passing shot before I go.

[Emperor Ing]

...then I go. I know i haven't been wanted anywhere near this forum for quite some time. It's just now that I finally got that final nudge that pushed me over the edge.

[Darklord Bright]

...then I go. I know i haven't been wanted anywhere near this forum for quite some time. It's just now that I finally got that final nudge that pushed me over the edge.

Cool story bra.

Edit: What I'm saying is that there was no point to you telling us that. If you wanted to leave, you could at any time. Because you felt the need to announce it, you obviously care enough to want to leave an impact on us. If you are influenced enough by a comment on the forums to leave them indefinately, it is probably best you leave before you find someone with a conflicting opinion to you.

[Keris]

actually, he doesn't. He's just a master of google-fu.

While I frequently research topics at hand, usually it to verify what I have already been taught (the amount of oversimplification that goes on in schools astounds me).
In this case, I already knew what the Butterfly Effect was, but I still looked up the phrasing of the examples.

And besides, if you people bothered to do your own research I wouldn't ever have to look things up for you, would I?

...then I go. I know i haven't been wanted anywhere near this forum for quite some time. It's just now that I finally got that final nudge that pushed me over the edge.

You're leaving? Are you serious? You can't go!
Despite the fact that I hold you in despect, you're still one of the pillars of the ABR community. If you leave, who will random kill newcomers? What unspeakable horror will we reference in tangential comics? You're one of the, if not the, oldest active ABRer. As much as it pains me to admit it, it wouldn't be the same if you left.

Cool story bra.

Dude, don't taunt the god killing abomination.

[Tiffanie Lirle]

Man, there's really been a lot of stress around here lately.

Edit: What I'm saying is that there was no point to you telling us that. If you wanted to leave, you could at any time. Because you felt the need to announce it, you obviously care enough to want to leave an impact on us.

Because there's something wrong with telling the people who have no problems with them where and why they went?

If you are influenced enough by a comment on the forums to leave them indefinitely, it is probably best you leave before you find someone with a conflicting opinion to you.

I'm fairly certain Rand has found more then one person here whose opinion conflicts with his own. And I'm fairly certain the rest of us have too. [sarcasm]This is obviously a good reason for us to all join hands and walk into a helicopter blade.[/sarcasm]

(Check it out, the sarcasm tags are back)

You're leaving? Are you serious? You can't go!

You're still one of the pillars of the ABR community. If you leave, who will random kill newcomers? What unspeakable horror will we reference in tangential comics? You're one of the, if not the, oldest active ABRer. It wouldn't be the same if you left.

[Lemming]

...then I go. I know i haven't been wanted anywhere near this forum for quite some time. It's just now that I finally got that final nudge that pushed me over the edge.

You're leaving?
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And this was looking like it was going to be a good day.

[CrimsonAngel]

Realy? I decide to visit and I find my favorite chainsaw-weilding randomness teacher is leaving? What a warm welcome, I feel all fuzzy inside.

EDIT:Stop fighting like children.

[Mina Kobold]

A minor change in the starting conditions of a system can have much larger consequences in the outcome. An oft used example is "the flap of a butterfly’s wings in Brazil sets off a tornado in Texas", or some variation thereof.
The term is often also used in relation to time travel, if one were to travel back in time and perform an inconsequential act it could have far reaching consequences. Stepping on an ant could cause a new World War, for example, or prevent you from being born.

Another example is in the historical rhyme, "For Want of a Nail".

"For want of a nail the shoe was lost.
For want of a shoe the horse was lost.
For want of a horse the rider was lost.
For want of a rider the battle was lost.
For want of a battle the kingdom was lost.
And all for the want of a horseshoe nail."

Yet another can be seen in the first Erfworld comic.

I knew it sounded familiar. Well I think it is true with some things but not with time travel (people don't seem to understand that anything done in the past would already have happened when you start the time travel, if you step on an ant it was stepped on by you before you enter the time machine the first time) Alternate realities travel maybe (The TJH team landing in such a place would be fun or if they start it by helping Germany win WW1 or something)

EDIT:
@Crimson: How old do you think I am? You shouldn't tell children not to fight like children.

And don't go because someone disagree Rand

[The Gremlin]

Stop fighting like children.

Okay, I seriously never thought I'd say this, but I agree with CA. Rand, you started this argument. And now, just because people disagree with you, you're leaving?
In case anybody forgot (which is fairly likely), I left ABR once. I nearly left the forums, all because, ironically, I was mad at the very one I agree with now. I was in an argument, and I lost. I was similarly mad. But people convinced me that I was being childish. Rand, there is no need to go. Come on, you are still significant in ABR. You are one of the first players. Leaving would be extremely depressing. You have felt unwanted? You haven't been. People haven't wanted your AI to participate too much in FI, sure, but they just didn't want FI being unbalanced. Nobody wanted you to leave. It's the same with the arguments with MM or Keveak. Arguments are disputes of opinion. They aren't deadly serious. Rand, don't leave over something so small as an argument about chaos.
To be fair, I thought Keveak sounded a little silly, too, but I didn't bring it up later. Come on, don't go. You will be missed.
EDIT:

And yet he's still peicing together more intelligent arguments than you. Quaint.

I have found the culprit. Bad DLB, bad!

[Szilard]

I wonder what MechaFox is doing.

Edit: @V: I'm just that good. Nothing really is up. Not at all.

[Fawkes]

Wow, how sad is it that Crimson Angel has to be the voice of maturity?

And Gremlin, don't blame it all on Bright. He didn't do anything wrong.

Edit: ^Whoa, creepy. What's up, Szilard?

[Mina Kobold]

To be fair, I thought Keveak sounded a little silly, too, but I

I can see it sounded crazy but silly? Well I'm not gonna argue with you.

Wow! Szilard is a psychic

[Fawkes]

I can see it sounded crazy but silly? Well I'm not gonna argue with you.

To be fair, Kev, not a lot of what you were saying made a lot of sense, but I'm willing to blame the language barrier. I'm sure if you said it in Dutch (you speak Dutch, right? I forgot where you were from) it'd make perfect sense.

[Mina Kobold]

To be fair, Kev, not a lot of what you were saying made a lot of sense, but I'm willing to blame the language barrier. I'm sure if you said it in Dutch (you speak Dutch, right? I forgot where you were from) it'd make perfect sense.

If it had made sense then it would have missed the point entirely, but I don't think I wanted to be taken serious (I called it nonsense at least once) And I can only say two words in Dutch so I don't think that would have helped (I could tell you where I'm from but that annoy people so I won't)

Correction; Three words.

[Keris]

(I could tell you where I'm from but that annoy people so I won't)

It wasn't so much that knowing where you are from that was annoying, but it was when you brought it up so frequently, and in discussions to which nationality was irrelevant. When asked what your nationality is, you should feel free to answer, and it can in fact be more annoying for you to say something like "Oh, I could tell you, but you asked me earlier not to, so I won't".

IIRC, you're Danish.

[Threeshades]

True story about time travel, you would merely effect something that has already happened. The seroes Gargoyles did that great credit with a character who gave his past self a pair of magic artifacts that he centuries later uses to travel back in time to give it to his past self. In a big fat paradox loop.

But anyway if you were actually able to alter something that has happened in the past, be it just your mere appearance in that time even for only the blink of an eye going completely unnoticed by any lifeform and without any physical alterations to the surroundings, you'd have changed all of reality with that and therefore everything happening afterwards. I know what I'm saying is different from what the chaos theory is actually claiming.

And Rand if you're really going to play the insulted drama queen and quit here because of that, I'll lose every bit of respect i had for you. And yes I do have some, still.

[Mina Kobold]

It wasn't so much that knowing where you are from that was annoying, but it was when you brought it up so frequently, and in discussions to which nationality was irrelevant. When asked what your nationality is, you should feel free to answer, and it can in fact be more annoying for you to say something like "Oh, I could tell you, but you asked me earlier not to, so I won't".

IIRC, you're Danish.

I know it was just for fun (not funny I know)

You recall correctly, though being Dutch sounds funnier

Now let's find another topic, or blather about nothing for days... Not that there's a difference around here anyway.

EDIT:
@^I agree with the first one, the second one I didn't really understand (was it even a theory orwas it to support the first one?)

[Threeshades]

I know it was just for fun (not funny I know)

You recall correctly, though being Dutch sounds funnier

Now let's find another topic, or blather about nothing for days... Not that there's a difference around here anyway.

EDIT:
@^I agree with the first one, the second one I didn't really understand (was it even a theory orwas it to support the first one?)

If nobody else's it's my own theory.

[SinisterPenguin]

I have found the culprit. Bad DLB, bad!

I don't think that it's exactly fair to blame this on DLB. I sincerely doubt he thought that one comment would make Rand decide to leave. Honestly, the whole argument seemed rather nonsensical to begin with.

That's all I'm going to say about this, because I don't particularly want to feed the fires of Internet drama more than I have to.

[Threeshades]

I dont even know what the argument was, I just wanted to put out my own crap about the whole chaos and time altering stuff.

Maybe we should just for each storyline agree on a time-travel system, be it "realistic" or not (since time travel is impossible on every given level)

[Mina Kobold]

I dont even know what the argument was, I just wanted to put out my own crap about the whole chaos and time altering stuff.

Maybe we should just for each storyline agree on a time-travel system, be it "realistic" or not (since time travel is impossible on every given level)

I can't even remember any real argument (mostly I was just speaking insane nonsense) and Time travel was only mentioned afterwards.

Fair enough (I thought it was possible just not by the current human technology ) Making up new ways the laws of physics will work is also fun

[Lemming]

Well, it didn't look like Rand didn't like the argument. It's just that comment by DB that pissed him off. Maybe an apology is in order.

[CrimsonAngel]

Okay, I seriously never thought I'd say this, but I agree with CA. Rand, you started this argument.

I was talking about all of you.

[Threeshades]

I was talking about all of you.

pwnd.

Blaming someone for starting an argument/fight is probably the most childish thing happening so far.

[Fawkes]

Especially when it's clearly Robot Nixon's fault.