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2006-06-06, 04:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Concerning X-Men (fans read)
Okay, so a friend of mine and I were talking about this yesterday. What would happen if Wolverine got injected with "the cure". His adamantium coating on his bones isn't part of his mutant-ness I know, so he wouln't lose that, but what about the claws? Would they dissapear? Would they still be there but he would just lose the abillity to make them go in and out? My friend said that in the comics once, Magneto pulled all the adamantium out of his body and he still had claws made of bone. That would mean that they are part of his mutation but if that's the case, would the bone dissapear and he would just have hollow claws made out of adamantium? Would he still be able to retract those?
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2006-06-06, 04:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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As far as the movies are concerned, it's the exact same thing as beast. Yes, his physiology would revert to that of a normal human, aka, no claws. The titanium would most likely still be there, but not attatched to bones he can naturally control anymore...as for the comics, though, I've heard it murmured that both Wolverine and Beast might actually be "real" humans, from tribes of some sort that weren't modified with the X factor. Though I assume "the cure" to which you refer to is the movie version, so there you have it.
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2006-06-06, 04:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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The comics once had a situation where Wolverine lost his powers. He kept his claws, but lost his ability to regenerate. This meant that whenever he snikt his claws out, he'd start bleeding and would have to heal naturally. Suffice to say he lost a lot of blood each time he got into a fight.
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2006-06-06, 06:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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The claws are still attached to tendons and the like and would still work, but sure, he'd half bleed to death each time.
Also adamantium is a highly toxic substance
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2006-06-06, 07:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Originally Posted by amodman
Originally Posted by The Vorpal Tribble
Also, I believe that once in the comics, someone asked Wolverine whether it hurt when they burst through, and he goes "hurts every time" as he *shings* them out. That may have been in the movie...
Wolverine is not invulnerable to pain, he's just used to it by now.“Sometimes, immersed in his books, there would come to him
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2006-06-07, 01:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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2006-06-07, 02:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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Well the problem is, does the "cure" actualy remove mutantly grown muscle systems, that were there sence birth, or does it only remove the awakend powers of the x facter
Also there was a time in the cartoon were they enterd the savage land, and Mr. Sinister had set up a device that nullified the powers of mutants, so wolverne couldnt heal but he could still pop out his claws, and he didnt die of posining
Though i do wonder how he could stand as he has to have super strength just enough to lift himself but not enough to do anything else with it.
It was shown when he had his adamantem removed by magneto that he was physicaly stronger when his powers started coming back, but he also started turning into that weird beast form, untill he got the metal back. And apprently his healing facter numbs the pain but the first time he poped his claws out after having the metal riped out of him he blead all over and doubled over in pain.
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2006-06-07, 09:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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2006-06-07, 10:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Strength part of his mutation - I've always taken it that his strength was due to his mutation due to the fact he can overstretch his muscles under stress repetedly, wheras a normal human could only do it once. Like a grandma being able to lift a car to save a child's life, only all the time since it fixes itself afterwards."They say we wizards are subtle. But believe you me, we've got nothing, nothing at all on women" - Harry Dresden, Storm Front
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2006-06-07, 11:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Wolvie doesn't really have a superhuman level of strength. What he has is a. muscles that are constantly rebuilding themselves in a manner to avoid fatigue and damage and b. a skeleton that can support vast pressure and stress. It is skeletal shortfalls, not muscular shortfalls, that prevent RL elite athletes from reaching crazy levels of strength. The muscles themselves (by whatever natural or chemical means) can get bigger, stronger, faster twitching, but the connective tissue and supporting structure will still fail. Adamantium takes care of that issue.
These considerations make Wolvie about as strong as Capt. America, though one is through a magic potion and the other through skeletal strengthening. They both have luxury of ignoring fatigue."I can't help it if I'm the biggest and the strongest. I don't even excercise." Fezzik, The Princess Bride avvy by Peregrine
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2006-06-07, 11:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Originally Posted by anphorus
Okay, so assuming that he didn't die of radiation, how would his claws work?
According to Wikipedia, he does have super strength but it's unclear how much because the comics contradict themselves on that matter (each author seems to want it different).This is my signature.
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2006-06-07, 11:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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2006-06-07, 11:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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he was trying to cure his powers I believe.
Also, I think it was Apocolypse who ripped the adamantium out. Then they found it he had bone claws. All his healing factor went into recovering from all the years of poisoning the adamantium had been giving him, and the fact that he just had a skeletal support ripped out. As such, when the adamantium was put back on, his healing powers had actually got stronger.
And the "every time" comment is X Men 1. Rogue asks him.
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Its on the cover,even. ::)Let the Yaggle Gakkle-ing begin.
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2006-06-07, 10:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Originally Posted by Vaynor, I Manar Istar
Also, I'm not entirely sure about the whole tendons still being attatcked to the claws w/o the power, either. I guess they chose to portray it that way, but it doesn't make any sense to me since humans don't normally have muscles to extend and retract claws, which Wolverine did and controlled his adamantium coated claws with. W/o his mutation it seems these particular muscles would no longer exist...
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2006-06-07, 10:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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And for a brief summary of Wolverine's past, go here.This is my signature.
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2006-06-08, 03:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Originally Posted by WampaX
Wolverine has hadhis powers stripped away orsupressed several times over the years and it's never a pretty sight. wethe or not his claws were ever natural has long been a subject of debate, The current cannon says yes, the claws are "natural" and were coated with metal when his bones were. Dont sweat how they are drawn, that has differed with every artist
As a mostly irrelevant aside, i was pleased to see howwell my old comics have held up. They look as good as the day I bought em, or very near. That's darn good for 15 years in storage.Some people are like slinkies...not really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs
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2006-06-08, 05:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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I don't think that his claws would go away if all that was removed was the mutating catalyst or gene. If I grew a third arm because of a "thrid arm" gene, then "shut off" the 3rd arm gene, it wouldn't reverse the growth process. The physical matter is there and doesn't just crawl back or cease to exist.
If I grow a tumor and then go through chemo, I doubt that the tumor would reverse it's growth.
Where does the mutation reversal stop? How many "steps"? If it actually changes the established physical characteristics, then wouldn't ALL mutations be reversed...effectively reversing any and all evolutionary processes? What IS the "normal" state of a human being, then, for this reversal to arbitrarily "go back" to, if the assumption is that humans have only reached their current status as organisms through mutation?
If they depicted this in the movie, and it's part of the movies "science", then fine...it's their baby. I'm just saying...
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Originally Posted by pandapandapieTake the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
The irony is that my favorite colors are black and red, and I almost always play chaotic good characters.
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i seem to remember wolverine naturally having healing abilities and claws of bone untill he got injected
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Originally Posted by Rose Sharana
He lived the life of a normal person up until his mutant gene activated during his early teens back...well, over a hundred years ago. He first popped his claws by accident after seeing his father get gunned down. (I believe it was Sabertooth's father that shot his dad?) After that, his heightened senses and healing factor started kicking in full force, but before then, he was a sickly, weak child.
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Originally Posted by WampaX
Yes it did. Marvel was doing LOTS ofthose gimmick covers back then.Some people are like slinkies...not really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs
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Originally Posted by NerullThis is my signature.
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Originally Posted by pandapandapieTake the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
The irony is that my favorite colors are black and red, and I almost always play chaotic good characters.
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2006-06-09, 01:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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I don't think that she'll forgive that easily. Or that he'll take her back. Remember that after he abandoned her she betrayed his whereabouts.
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Originally Posted by amodman“Sometimes, immersed in his books, there would come to him
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