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    Been reading a bit of the wizard = Imaharginmawhateverthehellineedtobedoingatthetimes pell posting.

    What would be interesting would be a wizard only campaign, maybe starting in an academy or somesuch. Anyone actually tried this and if so at what point does it become impossible to challenge the party (assuming you have skilled players).
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    Multiclassing and/or PrCing allowed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by king.com View Post
    What would be interesting would be a wizard only campaign, maybe starting in an academy or somesuch. Anyone actually tried this and if so at what point does it become impossible to challenge the party (assuming you have skilled players).
    I haven't but I've wanted to play in a 1 class campaign for a while. As for challenging them? Pretty much never, you need to remember... You're the DM. Anything the players can do, you can do better. You have access to everything they do, and a massive amount more.

    Now, if you were just pulling monsters from the MMs, then it might get harder. Still, provided you use encounter CRs of at least overpowering once they hit middle levels you should be ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamikasei View Post
    Multiclassing and/or PrCing allowed?
    Kinda defeats the purpose doesn't it?

    I'd say it'd make a great one-shot. Say a rogue wizard from the group's academy steals X items and runs, and you all are instructed to get it (and possibly him?) back?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pika... View Post
    Kinda defeats the purpose doesn't it?
    PrCing doesn't. Multiclassing, well, depends on whether the purpose requires pure wizards or just wizard-focused builds.

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    If it was me, I'd encourage the players to fill the normal archtypes just for variety, something like:

    Fighter-wizard: Jade Phoenix Mage gish
    Rogue-wizard: Spellthief / Wizard / Unseen Seer / Arcane Trickster
    Druid-wizard: Arcane Heirophant
    Wizard-wizard: Ultimate Magus

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    Last time I heard this idea there was either a proposed party or a game someone actually played that they listed their characters. I think it was an incantatrix blaster, some sort of generalist, a dedicated summoner, and another generalist.
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    Tell him to go find an all arcanist or all int-based game instead.

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    It might be interesting for a few sessions; but eventually things would break down between the group because wizards have too much faith in the power of magic.

    Oooh... here is something to make it interesting.

    All Wizard campaign in a Low Magic setting. Nothing available beyond 4th level spells, and even then you don't get any time management gouda (celerity, anyone?) or shapechanging brie. Heh heh, cheese.

    Even Gandalf was a Gish. Remember that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Project_Mayhem View Post
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    Sure, that works. Perhaps make the gish a Wu Jen and the Ultimate Magus a Wizard/Sublime Chord build, too.

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    Even Gandalf was a Gish. Remember that.
    No, Gandalf was an angel.

    You know, d10 HD, 1/1 BaB, proficiency in all martial and simple weapons, all armour and shields, cleric spellcasting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuki_Akuma View Post
    No, Gandalf was an angel.

    You know, d10 HD, 1/1 BaB, proficiency in all martial and simple weapons, all armour and shields, cleric spellcasting?
    This. Gandalf is like a stereotyped disguised good outsider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuki_Akuma View Post
    No, Gandalf was an angel.

    You know, d10 HD, 1/1 BaB, proficiency in all martial and simple weapons, all armour and shields, cleric spellcasting?
    The books even specifically say Gandalf, Saruman and co. are supernatural beings disguised as humans and posing as wizards.

    So yeah, a Solar would be much better at emulating Gandalf than a wizard would.

    -Also, Saruman got himself Mind Raped. Sure sounds like a solar to me.
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    I would love to participate in this.

    Basically, I'd do straight wizzie until time for PrC classes. Seems like the best way to test the original idea.

    IMO, start it at level 1. Four wizards, any normalish(read, non massive LA) race. Standard 32 pt buy, perhaps less. After all, the point is to show how powerful wizards can be.

    Start with straight level appropriate encounters as per the DMG, and scale from there according to how easy the encounters are. Definitely try some days with plenty of encounters as well as some with few...get a good variety of tests, yknow?

    But anyhow, yeah, I'd gladly play a straight wizard for this(or a wizzard, if preferred) if anyone else is up for actually trying it out. I hear people saying that it *could* work, but that's different than actually doing it.

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    Oh, I too would love to participate if this ended up as a PbP game. Just so you know.

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    It's great because you don't approach all fights equally. The "buff the fighter" tactic just works too well after a while, in a typical game.

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    It instead becomes "buff the Transmuter" after he casts Tenser's Transformation.
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    And let's not forget monster summoning and buffing. =) We could have an entire front line of summoned stuff.

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    The spelltheif class is begging to be a major villan (The Dragon?) in this campaign. (speak of, spelltheif was in a web preview, anyone have the link?)

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    The spelltheif class is begging to be a major villan (The Dragon?) in this campaign. (speak of, spelltheif was in a web preview, anyone have the link?)

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    It instead becomes "buff the Transmuter" after he casts Tenser's Transformation.
    No self respecting transmuter casts tenser's transformation

    No, you buff the polymorphed transmuter.

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    I faintly remember an old game that Gaurd Juris DM'd (IIRC) that had 4-5 wizards, all specialists (I was the Diviner ). Except one was a Spellthief, I guess. Anyway, to summarize it rather bluntly, our wizards were going to a re-union of an arcane academy but when we arrived the place, it was all blood and gore. Someone or something apparently had butchered everyone and left, and if we weren't a little late to attend, we probably were going to be a part of the massacre ourselves.

    Then the game died of course.

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    I was in an all wizard game once, pretty damn epic. We had an Evoker, Transmuter, Conjurer, Abjurer and Enchanter. Nothing stood in our way. That is, until the DM threw golems at us. Then, we died. It was a great one shot though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuki_Akuma View Post
    No, Gandalf was an angel.

    You know, d10 HD, 1/1 BaB, proficiency in all martial and simple weapons, all armour and shields, cleric spellcasting?
    Actually, I was thinking something a lot more simplistic. I know all that.

    Casts in DND terms low level spells (for the most part).
    Beats the ever-loving crap out of stuff with his staff. not casting.
    Has mounted combat ability. Also not spellcasting.
    Funny, I always figured I'd be killed by a paladin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quirinus_Obsidian View Post
    Actually, I was thinking something a lot more simplistic. I know all that.

    Casts in DND terms low level spells (for the most part).
    Beats the ever-loving crap out of stuff with his staff. not casting.
    Has mounted combat ability. Also not spellcasting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quirinus_Obsidian View Post
    Actually, I was thinking something a lot more simplistic. I know all that.

    Casts in DND terms low level spells (for the most part).
    Beats the ever-loving crap out of stuff with his staff. not casting.
    Has mounted combat ability. Also not spellcasting.
    ...So?

    Angels can choose not to use their most powerful spells when posing as mortals, too. It helps with the charade.
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    I've played in an all wizard game once.... or twice, actually.
    First time I completely dominated as it was around 5th level, and I was playing an optimized blaster, and the other two were more typical save or die and battlefield control types.
    And we were fighting undead.
    I think the other casters were more focused on working against humanoids or something, because they didn't seem to get much done.

    Second game, Tippy was in the party with Cindy.
    'nuff said, I think. So it was more like party and Tippy.

    I think a good Wizard only game would indeed have different wizards focusing on different things, mostly just to keep it so each person has something they excel and do best, rather than one person dominating more frequently.


    As for the Gandalf discussion... I've always thought of Gandalf as a Factotum.

    He doesn't cast many spells, but can draw on a huge range without needing a spellbook (just like a Factotum)- he's good at fighting, even though he is an old man (sign of his Int score aiding him all over the place), he seems to know and be able to do anything (lots of skill points...)

    So yeah, I think that's probably the best class for him. I can see good outsider, which would fit with his background, but I think class wise, Factotum works best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by king.com View Post
    Been reading a bit of the wizard = Imaharginmawhateverthehellineedtobedoingatthetimes pell posting.

    What would be interesting would be a wizard only campaign, maybe starting in an academy or somesuch. Anyone actually tried this and if so at what point does it become impossible to challenge the party (assuming you have skilled players).
    Doing this now, basically, but taken a step further.

    Party basically consists of three focused specialist necromancers, focused in an even smaller sub genre of necromancy. I'm playing a curse/fear caster, another raises undead, another focuses on save or dies. We've yet to find an encounter that actually challenges all three of us, up to and including CR 16s when we're level 9.

    The save or die necromancer has stated that this is in a large part because I know how to play a debuffer well, and because I'm overly prepared.

    We had one problematic battle due to SR 26 when we were level 7. The undead necromancer dealt with that, and the rest of us bought wands of true casting.
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    I'd like to see this done with single classed wizards at a nice middle level, like level 10. And then please post the results.
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