The Creature in the Darkness

[Elanrocks2009]

The creature in the Darkness rocks, and I personally think that "Mr. Stiffly" or O-Chul did an awesome job in trying to persuade The CITD (Creature in the Darkness), that he didn't need to be evil after all. I think that the CITD might become a good guy, based on what I know of his childlike nature. Now this might sound too intelligent for a guy with "Elan" in his name, but believe me, I know a lot about the creature in the darkness, and think that O-Chul should be able to persuade him in the future.

-Elan

[Somewhere]

That's something I really enjoyed, and is why I play around with an idea in my head that the creature/monster/awesome dude in the dark is the Atavaka/Acala/Fudo the Myo-ou of the OotS world. Former child eating demon converted to good/the dharma by a Buddha (which would make O-Chul a Buddha here...).
The above is not a serious guess as to the CitD/MitD/ADitD's identity!

[Bibliomancer]

I think that the abbreviation MitD is too well established to be overturned now, although this is an interesting attempt. By definition, the MitD is an opponent for the PCs (or started out that way) and would probably be listed in a MM (or would if it wasn't newly imported to DnD, whichever the case may be).

[Berserk Monk]

I know a lot about the creature in the darkness

You know a lot about a creature whose identity is a mystery?

[Elanrocks2009]

You know a lot about a creature whose identity is a mystery?

I know what I read, that's true. So I know what everyone else read. BUT, I know of his/her/it childlike nature, and how he/she/it probably just works for Xykon because He/she/it has no other alternitive, according to it's mind.

[Selene]

You know a lot about a creature whose identity is a mystery?

Yeah, that bit confused me, too.

[Bibliomancer]

I know what I read, that's true. So I know what everyone else read. BUT, I know of his/her/it childlike nature, and how he/she/it probably just works for Xykon because He/she/it has no other alternitive, according to it's mind.

It's very young with a surprisingly incorruptible nature, based on what Xykon's tried to get it to do. O'chul simply woke it up.

[Acero]

just out of curiosity, is there any proof the MitD ISN'T human?

[Bibliomancer]

just out of curiosity, is there any proof the MitD ISN'T human?

If it's human, it's 1/8 human 7/8 templates that allow it to cause earthquakes, punch people through walls, ignore massive damage and wish people into teleporting.

So I think its unlikely at this point.

[Acero]

If it's human, it's 1/8 human 7/8 templates that allow it to cause earthquakes, punch people through walls, ignore massive damage and wish people into teleporting.

So I think its unlikely at this point.

earthquake: high str, weight or a scroll/spell

punch: high STR, prepared strike, power attack, (it could be a sneak attack because miko was expecting a light atack)

ignore damage: bezerker DR, Heavy armor, high hp

wish people into teleporting: the wish spell (sorcerer spell, i believe)

as far as i know, he could be level 50+ (mayb the highest C on the mortal plane)

[Somewhere]

According to people with Start of Darkness, isn't the evidence against MitD being Human the fact that explorers were surprised at him speaking Common?

[Bibliomancer]

earthquake: high str, weight or a scroll/spell

punch: high STR, prepared strike, power attack, (it could be a sneak attack because miko was expecting a light atack)

ignore damage: bezerker DR, Heavy armor, high hp

wish people into teleporting: the wish spell (sorcerer spell, i believe)

as far as i know, he could be level 50+ (mayb the highest C on the mortal plane)

I see. It makes far more sense that someone gained 18 levels of sorcerer and 20+ of barbarian without training and wore weightless armor than simply be an obscure monster type, then?

If that were the case MitD would be the BBEG, not Xykon, and wouldn't be taking orders. Besides, what's the point saying "you will never triumph while I have this one my side" and dramatically reveal a high level human?

[CrimsonAngel]

I know what I read, that's true. So I know what everyone else read. BUT, I know of his/her/it childlike nature, and how he/she/it probably just works for Xykon because He/she/it has no other alternitive, according to it's mind.

Wait... so you know what everyone else knows.

[Bibliomancer]

Wait... so you know what everyone else knows.

I believe Elanrocks2009 is saying that he believes he understands the MitD's mindset, based on either empathy or bardic tradition (read cliches).

[Acero]

I see. It makes far more sense that someone gained 18 levels of sorcerer and 20+ of barbarian without training and wore weightless armor than simply be an obscure monster type, then?

If that were the case MitD would be the BBEG, not Xykon, and wouldn't be taking orders. Besides, what's the point saying "you will never triumph while I have this one my side" and dramatically reveal a high level human?

drama ALWAYS is more important than factuallity.

Mitd could have Low INT (very low INT)

[Bibliomancer]

drama ALWAYS is more important than factuallity.

Mitd could have Low INT (very low INT)

I'm saying that revealing a high-level human wouldn't be very dramatic, although it would be unexpected.

[Kish]

The proof that the creature in the darkness isn't human is the same as the proof that Xykon is not a cantaloupe.

[Bibliomancer]

The proof that the creature in the darkness isn't human is the same as the proof that Xykon is not a cantaloupe.

Well put [although say that you "I found a loophole in Belkar's prophecy"ists].

[Acero]

I'm saying that revealing a high-level human wouldn't be very dramatic, although it would be unexpected.

unexpected=dramatic

[rewinn]

unexpected=dramatic

At that point in the plot, revealing a man-sized, talking, frosty cold mug of beer would also be unexpected, and perhaps very welcome, but not very dramatic.

[Elanrocks2009]

just out of curiosity, is there any proof the MitD ISN'T human?

There is no proof that the Monster isn't human, however, my opinion is that it isn't. Supernatural powers like that are not described in the D&D monster manual. However, I believe that Mr. Burlew's comic does not entirly revolve around the basics of D&D, so the option can indeed be out there.

[Forbiddenwar]

According to people with Start of Darkness, isn't the evidence against MitD being Human the fact that explorers were surprised at him speaking Common?

Additional proof is the crowd's reactions at the circus:

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humans:
"Oh my gods . . ."
"It's horrible!"
"And yet . . . beautiful!"
"Mommy, I feel funny looking at it."
"Blerrrch!"
"I've never seen anything like it!"

Golbin kids:
"Wooooooo!"
"YEAH!"

[CrimsonAngel]

I believe Elanrocks2009 is saying that he believes he understands the MitD's mindset, based on either empathy or bardic tradition (read cliches).

It's not like he's acting anything but.

[Brendan]

At that point in the plot, revealing a man-sized, talking, frosty cold mug of beer would also be unexpected, and perhaps very welcome, but not very dramatic.

Beer of annihilation!

[Acero]

Additional proof is the crowd's reactions at the circus:

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humans:
"Oh my gods . . ."
"It's horrible!"
"And yet . . . beautiful!"
"Mommy, I feel funny looking at it."
"Blerrrch!"
"I've never seen anything like it!"

Golbin kids:
"Wooooooo!"
"YEAH!"

handsom person w/ alot of scars/injuries
goblins would b happy 2c humans in cages......

[David Argall]

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humans:
"It's horrible!"
"And yet . . . beautiful!"
"I've never seen anything like it!"

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You know, that sounds a bit like Blackwing describing the rift. That doesn't seem likely as a final result, but...

[Mugen Nightgale]

It is not a human. Why would it be? What would explain all the epic tricks he does?

[Acero]

It is not a human. Why would it be?

why not? everything it has done is also capable for a human to do

[Mugen Nightgale]

why not? everything it has done is also capable for a human to do

Okay... try to explain how a human would do all that. And see for yourself.

[Acero]

Okay... try to explain how a human would do all that. And see for yourself.

i already did.....