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    Default Q: What is the LA Race/template that gives sorc spell casting d&d 3.5

    Q: What is the LA Race/template that gives sorc spell casting d&d 3.5 and if possible what book is it from

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    Default Re: Q: What is the LA Race/template that gives sorc spell casting d&d 3.5

    Rakashas from the MM pg. 212 or here

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    I believe Driders do as well.
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    Default Re: Q: What is the LA Race/template that gives sorc spell casting d&d 3.5

    Sylph does. Also, dragons mostly do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Limecat View Post
    Rakashas from the MM pg. 212 or here
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeejimbo View Post
    Whoa, Rakshasa sorcerers are awesome.
    Well, 7 racial HD, +7 LA. They're ve got awesome racial abilities, but the LA is a pain in the buttocks to any spellcaster. As foes, great. As PCs, not really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katans View Post
    Well, 7 racial HD, +7 LA. They're ve got awesome racial abilities, but the LA is a pain in the buttocks to any spellcaster. As foes, great. As PCs, not really.
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    EDIT: I made the same mistake mike did, and forgot to calculate ECL.
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    Oh, wait a minute. I keep forgetting that the LA and HD are, in a sense, separate.

    So first of all, you have the Racial HD, which essentially means you're level 7 already. And then you have to consider the LA, which means you're more like 14.

    So a 15th level ECL Rakshasa casts as an 8th level sorcerer.

    *phew* That's not as powerful as I'd feared.
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    Sylph does. Also, dragons mostly do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeejimbo View Post
    Oh, wait a minute. I keep forgetting that the LA and HD are, in a sense, separate.

    So first of all, you have the Racial HD, which essentially means you're level 7 already. And then you have to consider the LA, which means you're more like 14.

    So a 15th level ECL Rakshasa casts as an 8th level sorcerer.

    *phew* That's not as powerful as I'd feared.
    Ya, that much LA doesn't seem to make sense for a monster that's supposed to be a caster. A look at his abilities and default spell selection reveals that he's more about trickery. Plus his DR and SR are both crazy high, making him hard to attack. So working alone or with a party of rogues he could be a real pain in someone's backside. But a major caster he is not.

    Driders get decent save DCs and some SR, which might make it at least doable for them. But their other abilities don't scale well.

    I'll add aranea to the list. It has similar issues. It does have web 6/day (not the spell) that takes a full round action or an attack to break out of even if you can do it easily. It only makes the target entangled, but he also can't move from his square. Great for stopping escapes.
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    A dragonwrought kobold arguably qualifies for the Loredrake Sovereign Archetype from Dragons of Eberron, granting them two levels of sorcerer casting. Additionally, all kobolds qualify for something called the "Greater Draconic Right of Passage" while gives them one level of sorcerer casting, in addition to whatever they might have. So, a Venerable Dragonwrought Loredrake Desert Kobold Sorcerer 6 can cast spells as a Sorcerer 9. This has the obvious benefit of offsetting sorcerer's delayed spell progression and working well with prestige classes that would otherwise cause you to lose spell levels. Additionally, this incurs no racial hit die or level adjustment.

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    A dragonwrought kobold arguably qualifies for the Loredrake Sovereign Archetype from Dragons of Eberron, granting them two levels of sorcerer casting. Additionally, all kobolds qualify for something called the "Greater Draconic Right of Passage" while gives them one level of sorcerer casting, in addition to whatever they might have. So, a Venerable Dragonwrought Loredrake Desert Kobold Sorcerer 6 can cast spells as a Sorcerer 9. This has the obvious benefit of offsetting sorcerer's delayed spell progression and working well with prestige classes that would otherwise cause you to lose spell levels. Additionally, this incurs no racial hit die or level adjustment.
    It does incur a 75% chance of having books hurled at your cranium though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kylarra View Post
    It does incur a 75% chance of having books hurled at your cranium though.
    Some people are risk takers.

    Personally? I hate kobolds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aethernox View Post
    Some people are risk takers.

    Personally? I hate kobolds.
    I just wanted to be sure he was warned.

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    Default Re: Q: What is the LA Race/template that gives sorc spell casting d&d 3.5

    white dragonspawn from dragonlance campaign setting give a level for +1LA

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    Feh, silly kobolds getting all the fun.

    I allow any sorcerer with the Draconic heritage feat to do both of the Draconic Rites of Passage, otherwise it's just dumb :P

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    If 3rd party is allowed I suggest the Wyrd from "Bastards & Bloodlines" by Green Ronin. Its a fun one. +6 LA, 2 level Sorcer casting, huge Cha bonus.

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    The Gloura have +2 LA, and cast as a 7th level Bard for their 7 HD. You could go into Sublime Chord from there and be like a Sorcerer. +10 DEX, +6 CHA, +4 CON. CHA to saves and AC. Almost worth the 2 LA. 1/2 BAB, but they fly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flickerdart View Post
    The Gloura have +2 LA, and cast as a 7th level Bard for their 7 HD. You could go into Sublime Chord from there and be like a Sorcerer. +10 DEX, +6 CHA, +4 CON. CHA to saves and AC. Almost worth the 2 LA. 1/2 BAB, but they fly.
    That's actually pretty cool.

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    Default Re: Q: What is the LA Race/template that gives sorc spell casting d&d 3.5

    we are using arena rules but this is a gestalt game, unfortunatley most of these have too big an adjustment due to Hit die, should have made myself clearer i guess, i also do not have dragons of eberron although i have the races of the dragons book which has given me some good ideas

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